What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?

[PeterJens]

'Tis so because his thinking is dysfunctional.

It seems I have told him 100 times already ...
-- co-operating with the Holy Spirit is NOT works (*)
-- keeping/obeying Jesus' commandments is NOT works (*)

(*) It is just expected ... it is part of what true belief-faith is!
E.G. Hebrews tells us that disobedience is unbelief.

We do ourselves suffer from the belief our faith is founded in our understanding and not
our experience, when so much is coloured by following Christ.

Some are blinded to obvious facts because of how they come to conclusions and how they
respect the other party. Take children. Parents are dumb, but this teacher said something
so it must be true.

So people lock out realities, and confirm in their words where they are on basic spiritual
themes. If you are not a sheep, it is never going to be any different.

If following Jesus is a great burden, then God has not anointed them yet.

But for some it appears dogs and pigs can become sheep, and some sheep are goats in
reality. Again these same people believe they can tell the difference, and want to weed
out the enemy.

Jesus is very interesting. He knew who Judas was, and his role, yet he left him alone.
In understanding the enemy, loving them, will not change the realities that will be.
We are the people of God no matter how others respond, and some will join with us
in time. But this is the eternal speaking to the mortal, so in this world there is no
debate, you either are on one side or the other. We are called to treat all the same,
and the Lord will use our testimony to call those who are His, but our love is for all.

I wish it was otherwise, but this is not my creation, I am still learning and growing in
His glorious grace.

Jesus's comment to the rich man in hades,
"If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead."
Luke 16:31

The irony is they are not listening to Moses or the Prophets let alone Jesus and the apostles.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

'Tis so because his thinking is dysfunctional.

It seems I have told him 100 times already ...
-- co-operating with the Holy Spirit is NOT works (*)
-- keeping/obeying Jesus' commandments is NOT works (*)

(*) It is just expected ... it is part of what true belief-faith is!
E.G. Hebrews tells us that disobedience is unbelief.

People like EG who choose not to obey: blame their disobedience on God
... because everything has been placed in His hands!

People like EG who choose not to obey: simply are in a state of UNBELIEF
... because they are living in disobedience to His commands!

1. You do not Know EG so stop judging,,
2. EG is not in disobedience, EG Loves Gods commands. and am humbled when he fails to live up to Gods standard.
3. A work is a work is a work, Putting the HS's name in it does not make it not a work, You have bought into modern day judaism or catholicism. and it has fooled you into thinking you can save yourself.
4. The bible calls good deeds "righteous works" and it calls sin, "Evil works, or works of unrighteousness" The bible also states that we are not saved by righteous works (good deeds), But by Gods mercy. and we can not save ourselves But GOD SAVES US.

who saved us, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by Gods mercy, through the washing (baptism) and regeneration (new birth) OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

It is God who works, not our work, which saves us.

 

[FlSnookman7]

"The irony is they are not listening to Moses or the Prophets let alone Jesus and the apostles."

The truly sad irony is that though you and zach know the verses and have been shown time and again you still can not set aside your pride and ego and have faith in what Jesus accomplished at the cross. You both rely on self righteousness and attack those trying to show you the Truth that is Christ's finished work.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Some are blinded to obvious facts because of how they come to conclusions and how they
respect the other party. Take children. Parents are dumb, but this teacher said something
so it must be true..

This is you Peter. this is you in a nutshell.

Stop blaming everyone else for your own failings. It gets old..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"The irony is they are not listening to Moses or the Prophets let alone Jesus and the apostles."

The truly sad irony is that though you and zach know the verses and have been shown time and again you still can not set aside your pride and ego and have faith in what Jesus accomplished at the cross. You both rely on self righteousness and attack those trying to show you the Truth that is Christ's finished work.

when you take your eyes of God and put them on self. this is what happens.

That caused adam to sin, the fall of mankind, and will keep many out of heaven, because they can not humble themselves, repent, and give everything they have to Christ. (most importantly, their eternity)

 

[PeterJens]

lol..
So peter says we have to work and do things, Then claims he teaches a salvation of faith only. and denys teaching works
Then gets mad at EG.. and has to attack him.
all EG can do is laugh

This is funny. And you take it so seriously, yet a child understands the point I am
making.

It indicates how instinctively you turn situations around in your emotions, so you
are on top, and the issue is irrelevant, just this feeling which reassures you you are
right.

"The people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned."
Matt 4:16

This was righteousness, purity walking on earth in the frailty of human flesh yet not
sinning and loving the unloved.

Amen to Jesus, the Messiah come to earth, a baby who changed the world.

 

[ZacharyB]

But for some it appears dogs and pigs can become sheep, and some sheep are goats in
reality. Again these same people believe they can tell the difference, and want to weed
out the enemy.

Jesus said:
-- both wheat and tares/weeds are in the kingdom of God/heaven!
-- don't touch the tares/weeds ... leave 'em alone!
-- the tares will be weeded out at the end of the age and thrown into the fire!

 

[PeterJens]

Mental illness

What is dualism and a psychotic break?

When people split the unacceptable side of their personality and stop identifying with
it, they create a split personality, or a dualistic way of looking at life.
A psychotic break is when the tension gets too great, it breaks out and people go on
a rampage.

Now the more dualistic you are the more you will identify with dualistic theology.

Now to know if this matches you, look at your own life, and whether you face your
emotional realities or bury and run away from them?

Jesus was not a dualist, and His promise was a total wholeness and freedom that
included everything you are.

Now one has a choice, either face ones own internal rampage with Christ or
continue in a theology that supports and makes it worse?

Jesus wants to heal you, it is a next step in your walk with Him. But are you
honest enough to take such a step?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is funny. And you take it so seriously, yet a child understands the point I am
making.

It indicates how instinctively you turn situations around in your emotions, so you
are on top, and the issue is irrelevant, just this feeling which reassures you you are
right.

"The people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned."
Matt 4:16

This was righteousness, purity walking on earth in the frailty of human flesh yet not
sinning and loving the unloved.

Amen to Jesus, the Messiah come to earth, a baby who changed the world.

Your right, A child understands you are teaching works.

Why can;t you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mental illness

What is dualism and a psychotic break?

When people split the unacceptable side of their personality and stop identifying with
it, they create a split personality, or a dualistic way of looking at life.
A psychotic break is when the tension gets too great, it breaks out and people go on
a rampage.

Now the more dualistic you are the more you will identify with dualistic theology.

Now to know if this matches you, look at your own life, and whether you face your
emotional realities or bury and run away from them?

Jesus was not a dualist, and His promise was a total wholeness and freedom that
included everything you are.

Now one has a choice, either face ones own internal rampage with Christ or
continue in a theology that supports and makes it worse?

Jesus wants to heal you, it is a next step in your walk with Him. But are you
honest enough to take such a step?

Jesus wants to heal you too. He wants to save your eternal soul, and make you his child. He wants to perfect you forever, while continuing to sanctify you.

I pray you say yes, and stop trying to save yourself.

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader, if know love in your heart, growing in your life, you know my Lord, Jesus Christ
who went to the cross so that we might have life.

The lost will always put their models on us, because unless love and the word has taken
root in you, all else will be hazy smoke.

Throughout your life they will assail you and call you enemy and try and distract the elect
from the path, but this is impossible. Jesus sheep hear His voice and follow.

I just praise my Lord that He brings me through fire and rain, flood and torment,
the wiles of this world, to His glorious victory.

 

[PeterJens]

Why in a marriage do people share with each other?

Because they are bought into a joint project.
Jesus is calling us to this joint work, to show and spread love
which is His heart beat.

Now those who are defeated and locked out of this love and victory,
will always say those who find maturity and the key are evil hypocrites
because they do not believe it is possible to walk like Christ.

So when people stand accusing you of things they think you do but have
no evidence, you know how defeated they are and how much they hate this.
They are tools of the enemy, just as much as part of the world, to tear down
and destroy in their eyes the evil liars of the fulfillment of Christ.

Remember Peter thought he was helping Jesus by saying he did not have to
go to the cross, out of love and friendship towards Him, but was doing the
word of the enemy. So in all things we have to be careful, and honour our King
in all we do and only speak what we know.

 

[ZacharyB]

So when people stand accusing you of things they think you do but haveno evidence, you know how defeated they are and how much they hate this.They are tools of the enemy, just as much as part of the world, to tear downand destroy in their eyes the evil liars of the fulfillment of Christ.

Yes, every Christian forum has some members who just know they cannot stop sinning!

So, they ridicule others who say that it is indeed possible to OVERCOME sin!

This is possible indeed for those who have truly been born again (from above),
are new creations, and have received the Holy Spirit to dwell inside.

These enlightened people are NOT living a lifestyle of habitual (unrepentant) sinning!

They are living a lifestyle of habitual repentance of their occasional sins!

They are living a lifestyle of having their occasional sins cleansed by Jesus' precious blood.

 

[ZacharyB]

Overcoming sin is possible indeed for those who have truly been born again (from above),
are new creations, and have received the Holy Spirit to dwell inside.

Paul goes into great depth in several places saying ...
the truly converted are NO LONGER slaves of sin.

And this is what Jesus was talking about when He said ...
through Him one is FREE INDEED ... free from being in bondage to Satan and sin!

 

[samuel23]

We should all be zealous to obey God and ready to repent, however if only those who are following all the truth are being saved then I know for a fact that over 95% of Christians will not make it into Heaven because that is the number that are believing in a false return of Christ (pre-trib).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul goes into great depth in several places saying ...
the truly converted are NO LONGER slaves of sin.

And this is what Jesus was talking about when He said ...
through Him one is FREE INDEED ... free from being in bondage to Satan and sin!

Saying one is not a slave to sin is not the same as saying one is perfect, Sin free. It means sin has no more power over you, You can over come.

John, however, said if we (which included every one of us) says we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and THERE IS NO TRUTH IN US.

so when someone comes in saying they are sin free.. perfect. We know to run far far away, because they are DECEIVED.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We should all be zealous to obey God and ready to repent, however if only those who are following all the truth are being saved then I know for a fact that over 95% of Christians will not make it into Heaven because that is the number that are believing in a false return of Christ (pre-trib).

I would say it is more likely 99 %, because put all of us together, we will not agree on everything.

Nice pre-trib slam. Did you think that all by yourself? SMH

 

[ZacharyB]

We should all be zealous to obey God and ready to repent, however if only those who are following all the truth are being saved then I know for a fact that over 95% of Christians will not make it into Heaven because that is the number that are believing in a false return of Christ (pre-trib).

Who says one must be following all the truth?
No one knows all the truth.

And who says believing in pre-trib will send one to hell?
I'm not a pre-tribber, but we are to be anxiously awaiting for Jesus to return.
The sooner the better.

 

[Grandpa]

Yes, every Christian forum has some members who just know they cannot stop sinning!

So, they ridicule others who say that it is indeed possible to OVERCOME sin!

This is possible indeed for those who have truly been born again (from above),
are new creations, and have received the Holy Spirit to dwell inside.

These enlightened people are NOT living a lifestyle of habitual (unrepentant) sinning!

They are living a lifestyle of habitual repentance of their occasional sins!

They are living a lifestyle of having their occasional sins cleansed by Jesus' precious blood.

No Christian would ridicule you for your occasional sins. You need Christ just as much as they do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No Christian would ridicule you for your occasional sins. You need Christ just as much as they do.

and a non christian would call him a hypocrite. for not being able to live p to his own standard