What are the Consequences of Falling from Grace?
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Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
When I believed in Jesus Christ, His faith justified me. Christ's faith never waivers and will always stay true even when I don't stay true. Oh, and I never believed in Satan Clause
When I believed in Jesus Christ, His faith justified me. Christ's faith never waivers and will always stay true even when I don't stay true. Oh, and I never believed in Satan Clause
another reason I don't believe the nonsense of "once saved always saved"
Luke 12:41-46 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
[SUP]43 [/SUP] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
[SUP]46 [/SUP] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
did you notice what happened to the unfaithful servant who said "my lord delayeth his coming"?????
you can not brush this comment off by saying Jesus speaks of "servants and not sons" because Jesus makes it perfectly clear the only difference between the servant who was blessed, and the servant condemned was there FAITHFULNESS
NOTICE VERSE 46 "THE CONDEMNED SERVANT HAS HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS"
Luke 12:41-46 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
[SUP]43 [/SUP] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
[SUP]46 [/SUP] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
did you notice what happened to the unfaithful servant who said "my lord delayeth his coming"?????
you can not brush this comment off by saying Jesus speaks of "servants and not sons" because Jesus makes it perfectly clear the only difference between the servant who was blessed, and the servant condemned was there FAITHFULNESS
NOTICE VERSE 46 "THE CONDEMNED SERVANT HAS HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS"
I Like how you only quoted the part you wanted to justify what you believe....here lets finish Gal. 2:16-18
Galatians 2:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
its almost as if Paul knew folks would try to twist what he said in verse 16 so he kept writing....
I've never stated that we are justified by works!
we wasn't justified at the cross, we were justified at conversion!!
Galatians 2:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
its almost as if Paul knew folks would try to twist what he said in verse 16 so he kept writing....
I've never stated that we are justified by works!
we wasn't justified at the cross, we were justified at conversion!!
Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
When I believed in Jesus Christ, His faith justified me. Christ's faith never waivers and will always stay true even when I don't stay true. Oh, and I never believed in Satan Clause
When I believed in Jesus Christ, His faith justified me. Christ's faith never waivers and will always stay true even when I don't stay true. Oh, and I never believed in Satan Clause
What on earth do you mean by "Hyper Grace"? ? ?
Here is what the BIBLE means by GRACE.
Grace is a Gift from GOD, that you can NEVER earn any part of, or EVER do enough good works to deserve that GRACE from GOD.
I simply believe EXACTLY what God's Word actually says.
Romans 3:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What then? Are we any better? Not at all! For we have previously charged that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
John 3:2-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
Ephesians 2:1-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
NOTICE: The good works come AFTER WE ARE SAVED, NOT BEFORE WE ARE SAVED. THEY ARE PART OF OUR CHRISTIAN WALK, AND ARE NOT PART OF OUR SALVATION, WHICH IS PURELY BY THE GRACE THAT COMES FROM GOD.
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
Colossians 2:7 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
Colossians 2:8 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {A profession IS NOT a Confession.} with your mouth Jesus as Lord{The word LORD, literally means MASTER.}, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; {Where in that simple definition of what GOD means by BELIEVE, do you see anything about "you have to hold on to and keep your Salvation?}
WHO THEN is HOLDING ON TO OUR SALVATION?
John 10:27-30 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] "I and the Father are one."
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Now is what the BIBLE actually says and I totally believe it. How is that believing in what you call "Hyper Grace"?
Here is what the BIBLE means by GRACE.
Grace is a Gift from GOD, that you can NEVER earn any part of, or EVER do enough good works to deserve that GRACE from GOD.
I simply believe EXACTLY what God's Word actually says.
Romans 3:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What then? Are we any better? Not at all! For we have previously charged that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
John 3:2-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
Ephesians 2:1-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
NOTICE: The good works come AFTER WE ARE SAVED, NOT BEFORE WE ARE SAVED. THEY ARE PART OF OUR CHRISTIAN WALK, AND ARE NOT PART OF OUR SALVATION, WHICH IS PURELY BY THE GRACE THAT COMES FROM GOD.
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
Colossians 2:7 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
Colossians 2:8 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {A profession IS NOT a Confession.} with your mouth Jesus as Lord{The word LORD, literally means MASTER.}, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; {Where in that simple definition of what GOD means by BELIEVE, do you see anything about "you have to hold on to and keep your Salvation?}
WHO THEN is HOLDING ON TO OUR SALVATION?
John 10:27-30 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] "I and the Father are one."
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Now is what the BIBLE actually says and I totally believe it. How is that believing in what you call "Hyper Grace"?
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did you not read my response to your Gal. 2 post???
Most of what Jesus said is in the four gospels!!!!
do you not believe what Jesus said?
if you want to listen to Paul, here you go
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
tell me, what do you do with the red letters in your bible?
must have a real small bible
Most of what Jesus said is in the four gospels!!!!
do you not believe what Jesus said?
if you want to listen to Paul, here you go
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
tell me, what do you do with the red letters in your bible?
must have a real small bible
NOW you are TOTALLY wrong, especially in that statement that I changed to red letters.
John 21:25 (NIV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down,
I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that
would be written.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
So exactly what do you think "All scripture is given by inspiration of God. . ." actually MEANS? ? ?
Colossians 2:9 (RSV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,
John 1:1 (RSV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 (RSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
you would be the wiser to go back and read all my post's, especially when i'm responding to one.
I WAS TOLD IN AN EARLIER POST THAT I COULDNT QUOTE THE GOSPELS, WHEN DEFENDING MY STANCE ON ETERNAL SECURITY, THATS WHY I SAID "MOST OF WHAT JESUS SAID WAS IN THE FOUR GOSPELS"
AND THEN SAID "ALL SCRIPTURE" ACCORDING TO PAUL "IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE"
I BELIEVE THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS "ALL"
SO YOU TELL ME, DO YOU PREACH WHAT JESUS TAUGHT IN THE GOSPELS, OR DO Y'ALL THROW IT OUT?
I WAS TOLD IN AN EARLIER POST THAT I COULDNT QUOTE THE GOSPELS, WHEN DEFENDING MY STANCE ON ETERNAL SECURITY, THATS WHY I SAID "MOST OF WHAT JESUS SAID WAS IN THE FOUR GOSPELS"
AND THEN SAID "ALL SCRIPTURE" ACCORDING TO PAUL "IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE"
I BELIEVE THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS "ALL"
SO YOU TELL ME, DO YOU PREACH WHAT JESUS TAUGHT IN THE GOSPELS, OR DO Y'ALL THROW IT OUT?
I seldom read posts to others, because even tho my wife passed away, I still have a life. That is why I never have read every post on a thread. Since we agree that it is all is GOD's Word, how on earth do you square YOUR theology with the Scriptures that I have been posting when the Scriptures are saying the EXACT opposite of what YOUR theology is saying?
I am glad you are not picking and choosing what verses are from GOD, and what verses you think are not from GOD. For awhile there I was fearing that you were like the Mormons, who made the following comment after I pointed out SEVERAL verses to them that their Theology was contradicting. One of their so-called Elders actually SAID, "What difference does that make, after all the Bible is full of Contradictions."
I am glad you are not picking and choosing what verses are from GOD, and what verses you think are not from GOD. For awhile there I was fearing that you were like the Mormons, who made the following comment after I pointed out SEVERAL verses to them that their Theology was contradicting. One of their so-called Elders actually SAID, "What difference does that make, after all the Bible is full of Contradictions."
Paul confronts Peter for not walking uprightly according to the gospel. Peter was preaching Jesus Christ, but still commanding the Jews to obey the Jewish law of circumcision among other things. Acts 15 goes through this, where finally Peter recognizes that the Lord is using Paul to open up the full understanding of the gospel of grace.
Of course All scripture is profitable for doctrine, but not all of it is doctrine to the Church. Doctrine means teaching that we are to follow directly to be acceptable to God. Do you obey all Scripture? Do you have an ark in your backyard? Do you slaughter bulls and goats? You see, there are many doctrinal differences throughout Scripture that God gave to His people. What has God given to the Church? When did the Church start? After the resurrection, correct? Jesus Christ, through an abundance of revelations, taught the Apostle Paul the doctrine for the church, the body of Christ.
Nowhere in the four gospels is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins preached by the disciples. Jesus mentions it a couple of times to His disciples, but they had not understanding of it because it was hid from their knowledge. Only until after the resurrection did the Lord start to open up their understanding.
Of course All scripture is profitable for doctrine, but not all of it is doctrine to the Church. Doctrine means teaching that we are to follow directly to be acceptable to God. Do you obey all Scripture? Do you have an ark in your backyard? Do you slaughter bulls and goats? You see, there are many doctrinal differences throughout Scripture that God gave to His people. What has God given to the Church? When did the Church start? After the resurrection, correct? Jesus Christ, through an abundance of revelations, taught the Apostle Paul the doctrine for the church, the body of Christ.
Nowhere in the four gospels is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins preached by the disciples. Jesus mentions it a couple of times to His disciples, but they had not understanding of it because it was hid from their knowledge. Only until after the resurrection did the Lord start to open up their understanding.
Try to square that with what JESUS SAID:
John 10:27-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”
"NO ONE" certainly includes SELF.
John 10:27-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”
"NO ONE" certainly includes SELF.
not sure what your trying to say. I don't remember us talking about obeying the law????
of course I don't sacrifice bulls and no I don't have an ark in my back yard, im well aware the O.T law is fulfilled in Christ. I'm just not sure what point your trying to make???
what do you do with the teachings of Jesus if you cant preach them as doctrine????
all the N.T writers preached Jesus, paul said "I've determined to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified"
why did Jesus teach so much ie sermon on mt...etc?????
UOTE=John146;2460009]Paul confronts Peter for not walking uprightly according to the gospel. Peter was preaching Jesus Christ, but still commanding the Jews to obey the Jewish law of circumcision among other things. Acts 15 goes through this, where finally Peter recognizes that the Lord is using Paul to open up the full understanding of the gospel of grace.
Of course All scripture is profitable for doctrine, but not all of it is doctrine to the Church. Doctrine means teaching that we are to follow directly to be acceptable to God. Do you obey all Scripture? Do you have an ark in your backyard? Do you slaughter bulls and goats? You see, there are many doctrinal differences throughout Scripture that God gave to His people. What has God given to the Church? When did the Church start? After the resurrection, correct? Jesus Christ, through an abundance of revelations, taught the Apostle Paul the doctrine for the church, the body of Christ.
Nowhere in the four gospels is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins preached by the disciples. Jesus mentions it a couple of times to His disciples, but they had not understanding of it because it was hid from their knowledge. Only until after the resurrection did the Lord start to open up their understanding.
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of course I don't sacrifice bulls and no I don't have an ark in my back yard, im well aware the O.T law is fulfilled in Christ. I'm just not sure what point your trying to make???
what do you do with the teachings of Jesus if you cant preach them as doctrine????
all the N.T writers preached Jesus, paul said "I've determined to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified"
why did Jesus teach so much ie sermon on mt...etc?????
UOTE=John146;2460009]Paul confronts Peter for not walking uprightly according to the gospel. Peter was preaching Jesus Christ, but still commanding the Jews to obey the Jewish law of circumcision among other things. Acts 15 goes through this, where finally Peter recognizes that the Lord is using Paul to open up the full understanding of the gospel of grace.
Of course All scripture is profitable for doctrine, but not all of it is doctrine to the Church. Doctrine means teaching that we are to follow directly to be acceptable to God. Do you obey all Scripture? Do you have an ark in your backyard? Do you slaughter bulls and goats? You see, there are many doctrinal differences throughout Scripture that God gave to His people. What has God given to the Church? When did the Church start? After the resurrection, correct? Jesus Christ, through an abundance of revelations, taught the Apostle Paul the doctrine for the church, the body of Christ.
Nowhere in the four gospels is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins preached by the disciples. Jesus mentions it a couple of times to His disciples, but they had not understanding of it because it was hid from their knowledge. Only until after the resurrection did the Lord start to open up their understanding.
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i'm sorry to hear that your wife passed away, I certainly understand.
to be honest I feel the same way about the scriptures I've posted for you to read, I don't see how anyone can read the N.T and come away believing unconditional eternal security, I really don't. especially when you can read passages like this all through the N.T:
Luke 12:41-46 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
[SUP]43 [/SUP] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
[SUP]46 [/SUP] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
did you notice what happened to the unfaithful servant who said "my lord delayeth his coming"?????
you can not brush this comment off by saying Jesus speaks of "servants and not sons" because Jesus makes it perfectly clear the only difference between the servant who was blessed, and the servant condemned was there FAITHFULNESS
NOTICE VERSE 46 "THE CONDEMNED SERVANT HAS HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS"
to be honest I feel the same way about the scriptures I've posted for you to read, I don't see how anyone can read the N.T and come away believing unconditional eternal security, I really don't. especially when you can read passages like this all through the N.T:
Luke 12:41-46 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
[SUP]43 [/SUP] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
[SUP]46 [/SUP] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
did you notice what happened to the unfaithful servant who said "my lord delayeth his coming"?????
you can not brush this comment off by saying Jesus speaks of "servants and not sons" because Jesus makes it perfectly clear the only difference between the servant who was blessed, and the servant condemned was there FAITHFULNESS
NOTICE VERSE 46 "THE CONDEMNED SERVANT HAS HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS"
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WHOEVER SAID THAT LINE THAT I TURNED TO RED,
PROCLAIMED THE WRONG MOTIVE FOR OBEYING GOD!
There you go pushing people through the wide gate.
Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Righteous acts of obedience FOR THE WRONG MOTIVE, are nothing more than a pile of filthy rags. YOU DO NOT DO THOSE ACTS TO MAKE YOURSELF ACCEPTABLE TO GOD. HERE IS THE ONLY PURE MOTIVE:
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
1 John 4:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love because He first loved us.
WHOEVER SAID THAT LINE THAT I TURNED TO RED,
PROCLAIMED THE WRONG MOTIVE FOR OBEYING GOD!
There you go pushing people through the wide gate.
Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Righteous acts of obedience FOR THE WRONG MOTIVE, are nothing more than a pile of filthy rags. YOU DO NOT DO THOSE ACTS TO MAKE YOURSELF ACCEPTABLE TO GOD. HERE IS THE ONLY PURE MOTIVE:
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
1 John 4:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love because He first loved us.
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Why don't leave the quotes firt like everyone else. OH I forgot you march to the beat of a different drummer.
That verse 46 IS NOT A REFERENCE TO SAVED BELIEVERS, IT IS A REFERENCE TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT OIL IN THEIR LAMPS. That means they do not have the HOLY SPIRIT in them. And Jesus said the Holy Spirit would NEVER leave us; therefore they NEVER WERE SAVED.
THEY ARE THESE, who also thought they were Christians:
Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
What part of NEVER do you not understand?
That verse 46 IS NOT A REFERENCE TO SAVED BELIEVERS, IT IS A REFERENCE TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT OIL IN THEIR LAMPS. That means they do not have the HOLY SPIRIT in them. And Jesus said the Holy Spirit would NEVER leave us; therefore they NEVER WERE SAVED.
THEY ARE THESE, who also thought they were Christians:
Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
What part of NEVER do you not understand?