What are the noahide laws?

[cenallen]

Are they found anywhere in thee bible?

it will be on a thread such as this one that those who are faithful to Christ will be known, and those who are not will also be known.

Matthew 23 1 Then Jesus spake to the multitudes, and to his disciples, 2 saying, 'On the seat of Moses sat down the scribes and the Pharisees; 3 all, then, as much as they may say to you to observe, observe and do, but according to their works do not, for they say, and do not; 4 for they bind together burdens heavy and grievous to be borne, and lay upon the shoulders of men, but with their finger they will not move them. 5 'And all their works they do to be seen by men, and they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the fringes of their garments, 6 they love also the chief couches in the supper, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and the salutations in the market-places, and to be called by men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 'And ye -- ye may not be called Rabbi, for one is your director -- the Christ, and all ye are brethren; 9 and ye may not call any your father on the earth, for one is your Father, who is in the heavens, 10 nor may ye be called directors, for one is your director -- the Christ. 11 And the greater of you shall be your ministrant, 12 and whoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled, and whoever shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye shut up the reign of the heavens before men, for ye do not go in, nor those going in do ye suffer to enter. 14 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye eat up the houses of the widows, and for a pretence make long prayers, because of this ye shall receive more abundant judgment.

15 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye go round the sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and whenever it may happen -- ye make him a son of gehenna twofold more than yourselves.

16 'Woe to you, blind guides, who are saying, Whoever may swear by the sanctuary, it is nothing, but whoever may swear by the gold of the sanctuary -- is debtor! 17 Fools and blind! for which is greater, the gold, or the sanctuary that is sanctifying the gold? 18 'And, whoever may swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever may swear by the gift that is upon it -- is debtor! 19 Fools and blind! for which is greater, the gift, or the altar that is sanctifying the gift? 20 'He therefore who did swear by the altar, doth swear by it, and by all things on it; 21 and he who did swear by the sanctuary, doth swear by it, and by Him who is dwelling in it; 22 and he who did swear by the heaven, doth swear by the throne of God, and by Him who is sitting upon it.

23 Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye give tithe of the mint, and the dill, and the cumin, and did neglect the weightier things of the Law -- the judgment, and the kindness, and the faith; these it behoved you to do, and those not to neglect. 24 'Blind guides! who are straining out the gnat, and the camel are swallowing.

25 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye make clean the outside of the cup and the plate, and within they are full of rapine and incontinence. 26 'Blind Pharisee! cleanse first the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside of them also may become clean.

27 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye are like to whitewashed sepulchres, which outwardly indeed do appear beautiful, and within are full of bones of dead men, and of all uncleanness; 28 so also ye outwardly indeed do appear to men righteous, and within ye are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the tombs of the righteous, 30 and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 So that ye testify to yourselves, that ye are sons of them who did murder the prophets; 32 and ye -- ye fill up the measure of your fathers. 33 'Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?

 

[cenallen]

I don't see how any of those laws are bad. I would hope all Christians follow them.

anyone accepting and granting legitimacy to these Talmudic abominations do not belong to Christ.
antichrist they are.

 

[JaumeJ]

anyone accepting and granting legitimacy to these Talmudic abominations do not belong to Christ.
antichrist they are.

I have only heard of the Talmud that it is rabbinical writings which I would never even think about reading. It is a shame that by using the name Yeshua causes such an adverse reaction in just certain people. I think everyone knows why.

As for my post, a question was asked, I googled it and pasted the reply for the person, simple as that. They have nothing to do with the Grace of Yeshua. They are simply wise rules to follow to make life easier, just as are the Ten Commandments, all of which fit snugly into the two great laws of Love, and they are laws.

Now, what exactly is Judaizing about any of this, and be specific.

 

[cenallen]

Chesser, if you read the highlighted portion, you will see where the conspiracy theories enter in. In case you wanted to know when it was mentioned.

"conspiracy theories "

but i would venture to guess you're all over bombing arab countries out of the manufactured fear of Islam, all the while agreeing with LAWYERS in the US that we need more LAW. never once suspecting who gave you your mantra "conspiracy theories ".

of course, this is in perfect alignment with the tripe they gave you about Jesus not confirming the covenant.





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[cenallen]

I have only heard of the Talmud that it is rabbinical writings which I would never even think about reading. It is a shame that by using the name Yeshua causes such an adverse reaction in just certain people. I think everyone knows why.

As for my post, a question was asked, I googled it and pasted the reply for the person, simple as that. They have nothing to do with the Grace of Yeshua. They are simply wise rules to follow to make life easier, just as are the Ten Commandments, all of which fit snugly into the two great laws of Love, and they are laws.

Now, what exactly is Judaizing about any of this, and be specific.

decaptitating Christians for worshipping Jesus Christ is a wise rule?
and i don't believe you for one moment that you are ignorant of Talmud.
you've already said you were kibbutzing.

you're so concerned we not add to the words of Torah yet you spend a few minutes to AGREE with pharisees?
of course you do.

i don't see a repudiation of it all from you yet.

"They are simply wise rules to follow to make life easier"

no, in fact more legitimacy, with the not so subtle canard of antisemitism plastered onto those who are faithful to Christ and rejecting the leaven and hatred of the pharisees and Talmud against their Lord JESUS CHRIST.

because it sounds jewish and after all, aren't you a jew?

 

[JaumeJ]

decaptitating Christians for worshipping Jesus Christ is a wise rule?
and i don't believe you for one moment that you are ignorant of Talmud.
you've already said you were kibbutzing.

you're so concerned we not add to the words of Torah yet you spend a few minutes to AGREE with pharisees?
of course you do.

i don't see a repudiation of it all from you yet.

"They are simply wise rules to follow to make life easier"

no, in fact more legitimacy, with the not so subtle canard of antisemitism plastered onto those who are faithful to Christ and rejecting the leaven and hatred of the pharisees and Talmud against their Lord JESUS CHRIST.

because it sounds jewish and after all, aren't you a jew?

You are not making any sense. Read your highlight and what I posted. What does decapitating Christians have to do with googling a reply to a question posted? I would say you are reaching.

 

[RedTent]

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quote=cenallen;766202]decaptitating Christians for worshipping Jesus Christ is a wise rule?
and i don't believe you for one moment that you are ignorant of Talmud.
you've already said you were kibbutzing.

When Martin Luther said it was best to kill any Rabbi who taught it was a wise rule? When Hitler said it was best to kill all Jews it was a wise rule? How about the day in Spain when Jews were gathered in a church and the church and all Jews were burned, was that wise? We live in a glass house, don’t throw stones.

Neither the OT or the NT supports the decisions made about Jews posted here. Some say this teaching is simply the excuse of hatemongers looking to justify their wickedness and to make it a defense of Christ makes it worse.

Christ said to the woman at the well that salvation was of the Jews.
John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

In Romans, Paul talks a lot about the Jews, but none of what he says about them is the same as what has been posted here.

 

[chesser]

It's not about the laws per se. The intent of the authors of the "noahide laws" is to target christians.

None of them say anything like"you can't belive the messiah has come yet" or anything like that. How do they target Christians?

 

[cenallen]

Noahide Laws are listed in the Talmud which says they were given to Noah. They were not listed in the OT.

They are: Prohibitions against Idolatry
Prohibitions against Murder
Prohibitions against sexual immorality
Prohibitions against blasthemy
Prohibitions against Eating flesh from animals while still alive
Establish courts of law.

Acts 15:25 to 29 referred to these laws when permission was given to go to the gentiles:

Acts: 25 we have unanimously decided to select men and send them to you along with our dearly loved Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who will personally report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it was the Holy Spirit’s decision—and ours—to put no greater burden on you than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from food offered to idols, from blood, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. You will do well if you keep yourselves from these things.

and how convenient that you'd have chabad's pat answer for the (non-existent) connection to Acts.
i say no thanks to your Mystery, Babylon religion.
anathema.


THE HEBRAIC ROOTS MOVEMENT

Not giving heed to Jewish fables,
and commandments of men,
that turn from the truth.
Titus 1:14

The Hebraic Roots Movement


UNDER THE LAW

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws... - Daniel 7:25

The Lubavitch Movement
The Noahide Laws
Freemasons: True Noahides
The Hebriac Roots Movement

Under the Noahide Laws

 

[cenallen]

None of them say anything like"you can't belive the messiah has come yet" or anything like that. How do they target Christians?

all this feigned ignorance is a joke.




The aim of this class is to become aware of the levels of righteousness that Noah had and his affiliation to Sabbath - which is inherent in his Name! Noah has been forgotten for all too long, along with Shem and the Noahide Sabbath.

The Torah makes very clear what a Noahide is, where he comes from, and what he CAN do, and now these sources and concepts are coming to surface, at a time when Noahides are coming out of darkness. The Torah of Noah, Shem, Noahides, Sabbath, etc should serve to expedite this process and reveal Light into the World.

The Torah is filled with the Light of the "Toldos Noah" [Offspring of Noah], and now is the time for all to join in and absorb this revelation that was sewn by Noah and Shem themselves and is preserved within the Torah of Moses. The Torah was and will always be for the sake of giving Truth to all Mankind, Jew and Noahide alike for all of eternity.

Noahide Nations

 

[cenallen]

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When Martin Luther said it was best to kill any Rabbi who taught it was a wise rule? When Hitler said it was best to kill all Jews it was a wise rule? How about the day in Spain when Jews were gathered in a church and the church and all Jews were burned, was that wise? We live in a glass house, don’t throw stones.

Neither the OT or the NT supports the decisions made about Jews posted here. Some say this teaching is simply the excuse of hatemongers looking to justify their wickedness and to make it a defense of Christ makes it worse.

Christ said to the woman at the well that salvation was of the Jews.
John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

In Romans, Paul talks a lot about the Jews, but none of what he says about them is the same as what has been posted here.

you may succeed in deceiving others, you will not deceive those who know the Good Shepherd


John 10 1 'Verily, verily, I say to you, He who is not entering through the door to the fold of the sheep, but is going up from another side, that one is a thief and a robber; 2 and he who is entering through the door is shepherd of the sheep; 3 to this one the doorkeeper doth open, and the sheep hear his voice, and his own sheep he doth call by name, and doth lead them forth; 4 and when his own sheep he may put forth, before them he goeth on, and the sheep follow him, because they have known his voice; 5 and a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him, because they have not known the voice of strangers.' 6 This similitude spake Jesus to them, and they knew not what the things were that he was speaking to them;

 

[chesser]

anyone accepting and granting legitimacy to these Talmudic abominations do not belong to Christ.
antichrist they are.

Let me get this strait... You belive idoltary, murder, theft, sexual immorality, blasphemy, and eating animals alive is ok? And that there should be no judicial system? Tell me, which of these things do you do?

 

[cenallen]

Let me get this strait... You belive idoltary, murder, theft, sexual immorality, blasphemy, and eating animals alive is ok? And that there should be no judicial system? Tell me, which of these things do you do?

you can bow down to the pharisees and deny Jesus Christ (you already have).
i NEVER WILL.



In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח‎ Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach) form the major part of the Noachide Laws, or Noahide Code.[1] This code is a set of moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God[2] as a binding set of laws for the "children of Noah" – that is, all of mankind.[3][4] According to religious Judaism, any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a righteous gentile, and is assured of a place in the world to come (Olam Haba), the final reward of the righteous.[5][6] Adherents are often called "B'nei Noach" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides" and may often network in Jewish synagogues.[citation needed]

The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are[7]
Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law

Noachide Laws comprise the six laws which were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden, according to the Talmud's interpretation of Gen 2:16,[8] and a seventh one, which was added after the Flood of Noah. Later, at the Revelation at Sinai, the Seven Laws of Noah were re-given to humanity and embedded in the 613 Laws given to the Children of Israel along with the Ten Commandments, which are part of, and not separate from, the 613 mitzvot. These laws are derived from the Torah. According to religious Judaism, the 613 mitzvot or "commandments" given in the written Torah, as well as their reasonings in the oral Torah, were only issued to the Jews and are therefore binding only upon them, having inherited the obligation from their ancestors. At the same time, at Mount Sinai, the Children of Israel were given the obligation to teach other nations the embedded Noachide Laws.[citation needed] These laws also affect Jewish law in a number of ways.

United States Congress

Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded; Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws.[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah#Public_endorsement_of_Noahide_Laws


Christianity and the Noahide Laws

Christian views on the old covenant vary. Most Christian denominations incorporate the Ten Commandments, the Great Commandment, and The Golden Rule, however some believe in the complete Abrogation of Old Covenant laws. The only Noahide law that is not part of the standard moral teaching of mainstream Christianity is the prohibition against eating the flesh of an animal while it is still alive (number 6 above). By many interpretations, Acts and the Pauline Epistles make clear that the Jewish dietary laws as a whole are not binding on gentile Christians, though the Apostolic Decree which is still observed by the Orthodox includes some food restrictions.[30]

The 18th-century Rabbi Jacob Emden proposed that Jesus, and Paul after him, intended to convert the Gentiles to the Noahide laws while allowing the Jews to follow full Mosaic Law.[31]

 

[RedTent]

This post is getting out of hand. Reasoning together is gone in favor of accusations that are ridiculous and name calling. Some of the uses of scripture remind me of the way Satan used scripture when Christ spent forty days being tempted in the wilderness. We need to act like the Christians we are.

 

[chesser]

you can bow down to the pharisees and deny Jesus Christ (you already have).
]

how? by not murdering? or not stealing, or by not being sexually immoral? or have i instead denied christ by not committing blasphemy? maybe it was by not idolatrating that i have denied christ instead. Please help me, will you come over to my house and plan my next murder so i can get closer to christ?

 

[cenallen]

This post is getting out of hand. Reasoning together is gone in favor of accusations that are ridiculous and name calling. Some of the uses of scripture remind me of the way Satan used scripture when Christ spent forty days being tempted in the wilderness. We need to act like the Christians we are.

don't like the heat? so sorry. you shouldn't be pushing a deadly false religion.
its your uses of scripture to drag christians to spiritual death under talmudic order that is of satan.

does a christian pimp for Maimonides as you have done? (13 articles of faith).

does a christian deny the Day of Atonement has come?
NO. not one ever has.

 

[cenallen]

how? by not murdering? or not stealing, or by not being sexually immoral? or have i instead denied christ by not committing blasphemy? maybe it was by not idolatrating that i have denied christ instead. Please help me, will you come over to my house and plan my next murder so i can get closer to christ?

you won't by following the talmudists.
but getting closer to christ isn't the plan.
its blotting out His Name and those who won't deny Him.
have fun while it lasts.



Christianity and Noahide Law
Within Judaism it is a matter of debate whether all Christians should be considered Noahides.
While Christianity appears to conform to six of the seven Noahide laws, an informal comparison of the Nicene Creed and Noahide Law reveals that three major theological teachings may involve a violation of the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.

Equating Jesus with G-d
Equating the Holy Spirit with G-d
Jesus as Savior (in his proposed capacity as G-d)

However, these theological issues do not fit the classical Jewish definition of idolatry. This has caused disagreement among rabbinic authorities on the question of the permissibility of Christianity for non-Jews. (All authorities forbid Christianity for Jews).

Another consideration would be that even if Christians are considered at least partially observant Noahides, are they Chasidei Umos HaOlam or Chochmei Umos HaOlam? The former are considered to have a share in the world to come because they recognize Noahide Law as being revealed through mosaic (rabbinic) tradition, the latter are not considered to have a share in the world to come because they follow Noahide Law based on intellectual expediency.[1]

In summary, classical idolatry has been clearly defined by Jewish Law. Christianity, however, has been defined as something less. The problem is defining how much less, and for what purposes.


The Talmud makes no clear reference to Jesus or Christianity.[2] Various attempts to equate minim with early Christians are tenuous at best because there seems to be no relationship between the teachings of the minim and Christian teachings. Christianity is first discussed in detail in terms of Jewish law by the rishonim (Rabbis of the early medieval period (1250–1550))

Forbidden
The strict view, typified by Maimonides, is that Christian theology is considered avodah zarah (loosely translated as "idolatry") for all people, both Jew and non-Jew, as it subscribes to the Trinity. Therefore most Christians could not be considered Noahides. However, Unitarian Christians and other followers of Jesus who do not believe that Jesus is a deity would still be considered Noahides.

Maimonides was clearly of the opinion that Christianity was idolatry. He is believed to have ruled in three places that Christianity is idolatry and forbidden to non-Jews:

Ger Toshav, one who accepts upon himself the seven laws as we have explained -- his wine is forbidden to drink, but permitted to benefit from. He can be appointed over wine, but wine is not deposited by him. Such it is with all non-Jews that are not idolators, such as the Muslims -- their wine is forbidden to drink, but permitted to benefit from; This is also how we were instructed by the Gaonim. However the Christians -- since they are idolators, one is even prohibited from benefiting from their wine.[3]

Christianity and Noahide Law - English WikiNoah

 

[chesser]

you won't by following the talmudists.
but getting closer to christ isn't the plan.
its blotting out His Name and those who won't deny Him.
have fun while it lasts.



Christianity and Noahide Law
Within Judaism it is a matter of debate whether all Christians should be considered Noahides.
While Christianity appears to conform to six of the seven Noahide laws, an informal comparison of the Nicene Creed and Noahide Law reveals that three major theological teachings may involve a violation of the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.

Equating Jesus with G-d
Equating the Holy Spirit with G-d
Jesus as Savior (in his proposed capacity as G-d)

However, these theological issues do not fit the classical Jewish definition of idolatry. This has caused disagreement among rabbinic authorities on the question of the permissibility of Christianity for non-Jews. (All authorities forbid Christianity for Jews).

Another consideration would be that even if Christians are considered at least partially observant Noahides, are they Chasidei Umos HaOlam or Chochmei Umos HaOlam? The former are considered to have a share in the world to come because they recognize Noahide Law as being revealed through mosaic (rabbinic) tradition, the latter are not considered to have a share in the world to come because they follow Noahide Law based on intellectual expediency.[1]

In summary, classical idolatry has been clearly defined by Jewish Law. Christianity, however, has been defined as something less. The problem is defining how much less, and for what purposes.


The Talmud makes no clear reference to Jesus or Christianity.[2] Various attempts to equate minim with early Christians are tenuous at best because there seems to be no relationship between the teachings of the minim and Christian teachings. Christianity is first discussed in detail in terms of Jewish law by the rishonim (Rabbis of the early medieval period (1250–1550))

Forbidden
The strict view, typified by Maimonides, is that Christian theology is considered avodah zarah (loosely translated as "idolatry") for all people, both Jew and non-Jew, as it subscribes to the Trinity. Therefore most Christians could not be considered Noahides. However, Unitarian Christians and other followers of Jesus who do not believe that Jesus is a deity would still be considered Noahides.

Maimonides was clearly of the opinion that Christianity was idolatry. He is believed to have ruled in three places that Christianity is idolatry and forbidden to non-Jews:

Ger Toshav, one who accepts upon himself the seven laws as we have explained -- his wine is forbidden to drink, but permitted to benefit from. He can be appointed over wine, but wine is not deposited by him. Such it is with all non-Jews that are not idolators, such as the Muslims -- their wine is forbidden to drink, but permitted to benefit from; This is also how we were instructed by the Gaonim. However the Christians -- since they are idolators, one is even prohibited from benefiting from their wine.[3]

Christianity and Noahide Law - English WikiNoah

ok, see, i didnt know that. i just thought the noahide laws were some sort of moral code or something, not a clan of some sort. and i didnt know that there were restrictions about believing Jesus as deity.

 

[cenallen]

ok, see, i didnt know that. i just thought the noahide laws were some sort of moral code or something, not a clan of some sort. and i didnt know that there were restrictions about believing Jesus as deity.

okay. so hopefully you won't breath life into it anymore.
as soon as they have global dominance, which will coincide with the destruction of USA, decapitation (enforcement of #7 comes out). its already here, just not unveiled.

God bless.
stay true to Jesus.

 

[chesser]

as soon as they have global dominance, which will coincide with the destruction of USA, decapitation (enforcement of #7 comes out). its already here, just not unveiled.

..........