the only condition for eternal life is Repenting of your sins and placing your trust and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, till He comes or you leave by physical death. The only opposition you have is the flesh. once that is down you are done. Your race is over and you are the victory in Christ. Apart from Christ, you have nothing.
What are you thoughts on Annihilation?
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Which verse(s)?
I didn't suggest that Christ is still suffering. I am suggesting that if people have eternal life in hell then they're suffering more than Jesus ever did.
We can agree on that.
Revelation 1:18
18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
But do you agree that death and hell get destroyed in the lake of fire?
Revelation 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
I didn't suggest that Christ is still suffering. I am suggesting that if people have eternal life in hell then they're suffering more than Jesus ever did.
We can agree on that.
Revelation 1:18
18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
But do you agree that death and hell get destroyed in the lake of fire?
Revelation 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Jesu said they would suffer and Jesus did not say it was more than HE ever did. The Cross account was more than any man has ever endured, the weight of all the sin of the world? Then to reject so great a salvation, to go to place of eternal torment not made for man? remember the devil is going into the lake of fire and he is a spiritual being they do not burn up in fire. Jesus said they is a supernature fire how do we know that?
Jesus said
Matthew 13:50
and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 18:8
“If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.
Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Jesus said this was a place prepared by God of supernatural conditions. it is eternal and it has a fire that never goes out.
God lives outside man Fire triangle for heat, fuel, and oxygen. Human reasoning hopes hell is not like that. Wrong!
How can a loving God do such a thing? a sinner going to judge God? Using human rationale. Jesu said very clearly HE is the only way and without him, hell is the final place for all who reject Christ.
sugar-coated, make human reasoning as plausible for not being eternal, and even misrepresent the god of the Bible and His word.
people Don't bet their eternal soul on God saying you are good to go when you have rejected HIS son. Or that once you are in hell you no longer exist you will just be burned up and no more suffering. The devil is a liar.
Jesus said
Matthew 13:50
and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 18:8
“If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.
Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Jesus said this was a place prepared by God of supernatural conditions. it is eternal and it has a fire that never goes out.
God lives outside man Fire triangle for heat, fuel, and oxygen. Human reasoning hopes hell is not like that. Wrong!
How can a loving God do such a thing? a sinner going to judge God? Using human rationale. Jesu said very clearly HE is the only way and without him, hell is the final place for all who reject Christ.
sugar-coated, make human reasoning as plausible for not being eternal, and even misrepresent the god of the Bible and His word.
people Don't bet their eternal soul on God saying you are good to go when you have rejected HIS son. Or that once you are in hell you no longer exist you will just be burned up and no more suffering. The devil is a liar.
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Your vain, humanistic philosophy doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Annihilationism is an unbiblical heresy. This isn't even a debate. The Scripture makes it abundantly clear that BOTH unredeemed mortal men AND unredeemable fallen angelic beings ARE CAST INTO THE SAME PLACE....Ghenna fire.
ETERNAL FIRE = ETERNAL PUNISHMENT = ETERNAL TORMENT
Matt 25:41, 46
Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed (MORTAL MEN), into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
And they (SAME MORTAL MEN) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Jude 1:6-7
And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day. In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.
Mark 9:43-48
And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you (MORTAL MEN) to enter into life crippled, than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire. And if your foot should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you (MORTAL MEN) to enter into life lame, than having the two feet, to be cast into Gehenna. And if your eye should cause you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into Gehenna, where ‘their (MORTAL MEN) worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.’
2 Thes 1:8-9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them (MORTAL MEN) that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Rev 20:10
And the devil (FALLEN ANGEL) who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur (aka Gehenna), into which the beast and the false prophet (MORTAL MEN) had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
ETERNAL FIRE = ETERNAL PUNISHMENT = ETERNAL TORMENT
Matt 25:41, 46
Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed (MORTAL MEN), into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
And they (SAME MORTAL MEN) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Jude 1:6-7
And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day. In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.
Mark 9:43-48
And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you (MORTAL MEN) to enter into life crippled, than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire. And if your foot should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you (MORTAL MEN) to enter into life lame, than having the two feet, to be cast into Gehenna. And if your eye should cause you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into Gehenna, where ‘their (MORTAL MEN) worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.’
2 Thes 1:8-9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them (MORTAL MEN) that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Rev 20:10
And the devil (FALLEN ANGEL) who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur (aka Gehenna), into which the beast and the false prophet (MORTAL MEN) had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Here you go....case closed.
https://biblehub.com/greek/928.htm
basanizó: to torture
Original Word: βασανίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: basanizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bas-an-id'-zo)
Definition: to torture
Usage: I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves.
Rev 14:9-11
And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
https://biblehub.com/greek/928.htm
basanizó: to torture
Original Word: βασανίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: basanizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bas-an-id'-zo)
Definition: to torture
Usage: I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves.
Rev 14:9-11
And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
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Englishman's Concordance
Matthew 8:6 V-PPM/P-NMS
GRK: παραλυτικός δεινῶς βασανιζόμενος
NAS: at home, fearfully tormented.
KJV: grievously tormented.
INT: paralyzed grievously tormented
Matthew 8:29 V-ANA
GRK: πρὸ καιροῦ βασανίσαι ἡμᾶς
NAS: here to torment us before
KJV: hither to torment us
INT: before [the] time to torment us
Matthew 14:24 V-PPM/P-NNS
GRK: γῆς ἀπεῖχεν βασανιζόμενον ὑπὸ τῶν
NAS: from the land, battered by the waves;
KJV: of the sea, tossed with
INT: land being tossed by the
Mark 5:7 V-ASA-2S
GRK: μή με βασανίσῃς
NAS: You by God, do not torment me!
KJV: thee by God, that thou torment me not.
INT: not me torment
Mark 6:48 V-PPM/P-AMP
GRK: ἰδὼν αὐτοὺς βασανιζομένους ἐν τῷ
NAS: Seeing them straining at the oars,
KJV: he saw them toiling in rowing;
INT: he having seen them straining in the
Luke 8:28 V-ASA-2S
GRK: μή με βασανίσῃς
NAS: God? I beg You, do not torment me.
KJV: I beseech thee, torment me not.
INT: not me you might torment
2 Peter 2:8 V-IIA-3S
GRK: ἀνόμοις ἔργοις ἐβασάνιζεν
NAS: among them, felt [his] righteous
KJV: hearing, vexed [his] righteous
INT: with [their] lawless works tormented
Revelation 9:5 V-FIP-3P
GRK: ἀλλ' ἵνα βασανισθήσονται μῆνας πέντε
NAS: anyone, but to torment for five
KJV: that they should be tormented five
INT: but that they should be tormented months five
Revelation 11:10 V-AIA-3P
GRK: δύο προφῆται ἐβασάνισαν τοὺς κατοικοῦντας
NAS: two prophets tormented those who dwell
KJV: prophets tormented them that dwelt
INT: two prophets tormented them that dwell
Revelation 12:2 V-PPM/P-NFS
GRK: ὠδίνουσα καὶ βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν
NAS: in labor and in pain to give birth.
KJV: and pained to be delivered.
INT: being in travail and being in pain to bring forth
Revelation 14:10 V-FIP-3S
GRK: αὐτοῦ καὶ βασανισθήσεται ἐν πυρὶ
NAS: of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire
KJV: and he shall be tormented with
INT: of him and he will be tormented in fire
Revelation 20:10 V-FIP-3P
GRK: ψευδοπροφήτης καὶ βασανισθήσονται ἡμέρας καὶ
NAS: are also; and they will be tormented day
KJV: [are], and shall be tormented day
INT: false prophet and they will be tormented day and
Matthew 8:6 V-PPM/P-NMS
GRK: παραλυτικός δεινῶς βασανιζόμενος
NAS: at home, fearfully tormented.
KJV: grievously tormented.
INT: paralyzed grievously tormented
Matthew 8:29 V-ANA
GRK: πρὸ καιροῦ βασανίσαι ἡμᾶς
NAS: here to torment us before
KJV: hither to torment us
INT: before [the] time to torment us
Matthew 14:24 V-PPM/P-NNS
GRK: γῆς ἀπεῖχεν βασανιζόμενον ὑπὸ τῶν
NAS: from the land, battered by the waves;
KJV: of the sea, tossed with
INT: land being tossed by the
Mark 5:7 V-ASA-2S
GRK: μή με βασανίσῃς
NAS: You by God, do not torment me!
KJV: thee by God, that thou torment me not.
INT: not me torment
Mark 6:48 V-PPM/P-AMP
GRK: ἰδὼν αὐτοὺς βασανιζομένους ἐν τῷ
NAS: Seeing them straining at the oars,
KJV: he saw them toiling in rowing;
INT: he having seen them straining in the
Luke 8:28 V-ASA-2S
GRK: μή με βασανίσῃς
NAS: God? I beg You, do not torment me.
KJV: I beseech thee, torment me not.
INT: not me you might torment
2 Peter 2:8 V-IIA-3S
GRK: ἀνόμοις ἔργοις ἐβασάνιζεν
NAS: among them, felt [his] righteous
KJV: hearing, vexed [his] righteous
INT: with [their] lawless works tormented
Revelation 9:5 V-FIP-3P
GRK: ἀλλ' ἵνα βασανισθήσονται μῆνας πέντε
NAS: anyone, but to torment for five
KJV: that they should be tormented five
INT: but that they should be tormented months five
Revelation 11:10 V-AIA-3P
GRK: δύο προφῆται ἐβασάνισαν τοὺς κατοικοῦντας
NAS: two prophets tormented those who dwell
KJV: prophets tormented them that dwelt
INT: two prophets tormented them that dwell
Revelation 12:2 V-PPM/P-NFS
GRK: ὠδίνουσα καὶ βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν
NAS: in labor and in pain to give birth.
KJV: and pained to be delivered.
INT: being in travail and being in pain to bring forth
Revelation 14:10 V-FIP-3S
GRK: αὐτοῦ καὶ βασανισθήσεται ἐν πυρὶ
NAS: of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire
KJV: and he shall be tormented with
INT: of him and he will be tormented in fire
Revelation 20:10 V-FIP-3P
GRK: ψευδοπροφήτης καὶ βασανισθήσονται ἡμέρας καὶ
NAS: are also; and they will be tormented day
KJV: [are], and shall be tormented day
INT: false prophet and they will be tormented day and
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That word (punishment) is actually "kolasis" Strongs G2851. But it carries with it a very similar thought. And it fits the framework of an eternal prison with eternal torments.
All of this is a surely bitter pill for the vain humanistic philosophers on this thread to swallow. But it is an abject Biblical truth nevertheless.
All of this is a surely bitter pill for the vain humanistic philosophers on this thread to swallow. But it is an abject Biblical truth nevertheless.
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What do you say the "eternal punishment is" in light of Jesus' own words:
Matthew 10:28
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:51
51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. (My words: The offer only makes sense if it were possible to not live forever.)
Matthew 10:28
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:51
51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. (My words: The offer only makes sense if it were possible to not live forever.)
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Wrong. The many Scriptures I posted clearly indicate that it is "tormented, tortured" eternally forever and ever no doubt about it.
Read my posts completely. It's all there. Undeniable despite your denials. I am not going to waste time reposting the same thing over and over again.
Annihilationism is a heresy. I have provided far more than sufficient Scriptural evidence to solidify beyond a shadow of a doubt the doctrine of eternal punishment and torture OF UNREDEEMED MORTAL MEN in the very same Gehenna fire PREPARED for the devil and his angels.
Should you choose not to listen to the words of Jesus that is your problem not mine.
Read my posts completely. It's all there. Undeniable despite your denials. I am not going to waste time reposting the same thing over and over again.
Annihilationism is a heresy. I have provided far more than sufficient Scriptural evidence to solidify beyond a shadow of a doubt the doctrine of eternal punishment and torture OF UNREDEEMED MORTAL MEN in the very same Gehenna fire PREPARED for the devil and his angels.
Should you choose not to listen to the words of Jesus that is your problem not mine.
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do you really read what was posted?
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Rev 20:10 says :
10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
FYI forever and ever in Greek is FOREVER AND EVER.
DICE IT SLICE IT, call in any Greek theologian you want, and commentary The full context of Hell which Jesus is the final authority on the SubJect of HELL HE said it is a place of eternal conditions.
Jesus is recorded in Mathew, Mark. Luke and John and in the Book of Rev and in other writings of the eternal place of hell and is torment, suffering, and gnashing of teeth. But you know better.
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Rev 20:10 says :
10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
FYI forever and ever in Greek is FOREVER AND EVER.
DICE IT SLICE IT, call in any Greek theologian you want, and commentary The full context of Hell which Jesus is the final authority on the SubJect of HELL HE said it is a place of eternal conditions.
Jesus is recorded in Mathew, Mark. Luke and John and in the Book of Rev and in other writings of the eternal place of hell and is torment, suffering, and gnashing of teeth. But you know better.
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You are taking one description of a part of the text and making or trying to formulate a doctrine.
FYI Destroy both soul and body in hell that is done forever.
You failed to read the full context of John chapter three too. verse 16 is not the only part of the context. You must read above 3:16 and below it what does Jesus say?
18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
Jesus also says in chapter 5:
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself(eternal life ), so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,(salvation) 27and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
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