What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?

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lastofall

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The Lord Jesus Christ is telling us this in plain talk, and we need not that any should teach us.
It is a good thing if we learn to not think above that which is written which is where only exaggeration and over-estimation is at: we must by all means stop thinking above (beyond) that which is written, and listen only to what He says, and nothing wavering.
 
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So tell me why does it matter about Pre, Mid, Post? The command to us was to be ready because he comes like a thief in the night! Not even Jesus knows when he is coming back! If Jesus doesn't know, I doubt any of us Earth bound mortals will figure it out either!! In my mind it is just talk from everyone, they are expressing their beliefs or understandings and nothing more.
 
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Salvation is by grace through faith/ believe not only by grace minus faith.
As long as we Keep faith we get the grace.
Faith is the key to acces grace, without faith we font have grace.

Noah save from the flood because of the grace of Zgod inform him about the coming flood and he have faith that cause him to work 120 years to build a giant arch.
He save by grace but his faith make him work to build an arch
Faith without work is dead
Grace without faith will be useless

Imagine this story below
God grace Noah with information about the coming flood
Noah don't believe/and did not build an arch. Did he save from the flood?
Need faith to acces the grace
It is said that faith without works is Dead!!

James 2:14-16
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
 

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So tell me why does it matter about Pre, Mid, Post? The command to us was to be ready because he comes like a thief in the night! Not even Jesus knows when he is coming back! If Jesus doesn't know, I doubt any of us Earth bound mortals will figure it out either!! In my mind it is just talk from everyone, they are expressing their beliefs or understandings and nothing more.
'Pre-mid-post' are just extra-biblical terms added to the word from commentaries
I wouldn't worry too much about them.


If no one can know, he wouldn't have given us signs & told us to watch.
He comes as a thief to the world. Not to the elect.


If you consider all the relevant verses, no one knows the day or hour. (The exact time & date)
But the righteous absolutely should recognise the SEASON.
 
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'Pre-mid-post' are just extra-biblical terms added to the word from commentaries
I wouldn't worry too much about them.


If no one can know, he wouldn't have given us signs & told us to watch.
He comes as a thief to the world. Not to the elect.


If you consider all the relevant verses, no one knows the day or hour. (The exact time & date)
But the righteous absolutely should recognise the SEASON.
I understand what you are saying, my point is why do we even waste time on Pre, Mid, Post?

The question is What does "but the one who endures to the end shall be saved" mean?

The operative word here is END. End to me means Complete or "There is no more". Jesus did admonish us about the signs of the age. People have tried to guess the End forever, history is replete with these examples. We saw what happened to Jesus and Jesus said expect the same, I paraphrased. To me END is a personal expression, my end will be different than yours.

When I read Matthew 24:
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

From this I get "Enduring to the End" to mean the one who does not give up will be saved, will have life after death. I also think about the 144K.
 

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Hey! Pray your having a good day!

Question:
We have Holy Spirit preaching and teaching leading and guiding RIGHT NOW,
Why is an angel preaching to the "world" in Rev 14?

God Bless you and yours!
Angels are messengers. So why not?
 

Gideon300

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I understand what you are saying, my point is why do we even waste time on Pre, Mid, Post?

The question is What does "but the one who endures to the end shall be saved" mean?

The operative word here is END. End to me means Complete or "There is no more". Jesus did admonish us about the signs of the age. People have tried to guess the End forever, history is replete with these examples. We saw what happened to Jesus and Jesus said expect the same, I paraphrased. To me END is a personal expression, my end will be different than yours.

When I read Matthew 24:
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

From this I get "Enduring to the End" to mean the one who does not give up will be saved, will have life after death. I also think about the 144K.
If you do not have life in this world you will not have life in the next. Your understanding is wrong. If you have the Lord Jesus, you have the Life - eternal life that cannot die and is indestructible (1 John 5:12, Hebrews 7:16). If you are not in heaven now, you never will be, unless you get born again.

It is possible to miss out on Kingdom rewards. Many will have reason to regret their careless and selfish earthly lives. But no born again believer will be found in the Lake of fire.

To help you to make sense of this, substitute the word "delivered" for "saved". They are synonyms, but "saved" has become code for going to heaven when you die. It's a desperately shallow interpretation that robs people of the blessing of the "Great Salvation" that Lord Jesus came to give us. He came that we might have life (Greek "Zoe", the uncreated life of Christ), not just to give us a get out of hell free card.
 
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If you do not have life in this world you will not have life in the next. Your understanding is wrong. If you have the Lord Jesus, you have the Life - eternal life that cannot die and is indestructible (1 John 5:12, Hebrews 7:16). If you are not in heaven now, you never will be, unless you get born again.

It is possible to miss out on Kingdom rewards. Many will have reason to regret their careless and selfish earthly lives. But no born again believer will be found in the Lake of fire.

To help you to make sense of this, substitute the word "delivered" for "saved". They are synonyms, but "saved" has become code for going to heaven when you die. It's a desperately shallow interpretation that robs people of the blessing of the "Great Salvation" that Lord Jesus came to give us. He came that we might have life (Greek "Zoe", the uncreated life of Christ), not just to give us a get out of hell free card.
So I am not sure what you are trying to say? Obviously I do have life in this world but that does not guarantee me Eternal Life. I will point you to Jesus himself in John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

I understand that we are saved by the blood but I would not call this Heaven or maybe you/we don't Endure Happiness or Completeness. To me Endure implies pain. GOD blesses me daily and provides for me this is True, but this is still Earth.
 

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So I am not sure what you are trying to say? Obviously I do have life in this world but that does not guarantee me Eternal Life.
1 John 5 -

9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning His Son.

11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.

13 I have written these things to you, the ones believing in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 

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Not even Jesus knows when he is coming back! If Jesus doesn't know, I doubt any of us Earth bound mortals will figure it out either!!
Jesus has known ever since His ascension... = )

... and then some 60+ years later (in about 95ad), He disclosed FURTHER INFORMATION on *that* Subject in the Book of "Revelation"... which is what v.1 is saying: "[The] Revelation OF JESUS CHRIST, which GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]..."

...(including His Rev19 "RETURN" to the earth... the SUBJECT of the passages stating "but of THAT day and hour KNOWETH [PERFECT indicative] no man"... not even Jesus DURING His earthly ministry... NOT that "no one WILL EVER KNOW" or "CAN EVER know"... no... that's not what the "perfect tense" is saying)...

... and where Rev1:1's "things which must come to pass in quickness [noun]" speaks of the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1... aka the "7 yr period" which immediately precedes and LEADS UP TO His Second Coming to the earth at Rev19)...

So regarding those who find themselves IN the 7-yr period [which FOLLOWS "our Rapture" event, by the way], there is nothing IN SCRIPTURE that suggests that the verses stating "of that day and hour KNOWETH [perfect indicative] no man" IS STILL APPLICABLE... No, Jesus KNOWS, and then later DISCLOSED... so that if they will but HEED HIS WORD [we know many in that time period will not] can indeed be informed of just when to expect His "return" to the earth (Rev19)... the very Subject of those verses. = )
 

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Thank you.

And may the Lord also do for you the same; and also receive you as a son.

(Psalms 62:4).
Did you actually intend to quote Psalm 62:4?
They fully intend to cast him down from his lofty perch; they delight in lies; with their mouths they bless, but inwardly they curse. Selah
 

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It is said that faith without works is Dead!!

James 2:14-16
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
And it is. However, you'll notice no verse says our works will save us.

Good deeds are a reflection of being Saved in Christ. Not a means of staining Salvation in Christ.
 
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It means.........a person having repented, been baptized and committed to living by God's commandments...a born again Christian...... will maintain (endurance) that posture of righteousness until our earthly physical death.

Scriptures speaks to this point by pointing in many ways.
 

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To ENDURE to the end means to me that I must stay faithful to Jesus and his commands regardless of what I may be faced with!
Pestilences, persecutions,diseases, torture,the killing of loved ones,any horrible or heinous thing beyond my imagination must NOT make me lose faith in the one who gave his life for me!
He said not to fear the one who can kill the BODY,but fear him that has power to cast us soul and spirit into the lake if fire!

Faithful and holding tightly to his hand and leaning on the Holy Spirit to make it to the end of my life...... death!


For if we have HOPE ONLY IN THIS LIFE,THEN WE ARE OF MEN MOST MISERABLE!
 
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It means.........a person having repented, been baptized and committed to living by God's commandments...a born again Christian...... will maintain (endurance) that posture of righteousness until our earthly physical death.

Scriptures speaks to this point by pointing in many ways.
yea be a prick i mean a point, just like Jesus Acts 9:5
 
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It means.........a person having repented, been baptized and committed to living by God's commandments...a born again Christian...... will maintain (endurance) that posture of righteousness until our earthly physical death.

Scriptures speaks to this point by pointing in many ways.
I know Peter cussed & denied Jesus. mark ran away naked.Yet they became a hope to all nations.Maybe some of us will do better.
 

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I think one of the major issues of contention, whether or not The Elect of God, Christians, will go through the Great Tribulation, is due to a major misunderstanding of the scripture in both Ephesians 2:8 and Matthew 24:13. It is my hope this article saved in my favorites file for years now will assist in clearing that up.


June 24, 2017
In Matt 24:13, Jesus says the famous words:
But the one who endures to the end will be saved. (ESV)
Perhaps the most common understanding of this passage is that we must endure in good works to the end of our physical lives to be saved from hell. This understanding contradicts Paul’s words in Eph 2:8a:
For by grace you have been saved through faith. (ESV)
Notice two differences between Eph 2:8a and Matt 24:13: First, the Matt 24:13 salvation is by enduring whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is by grace through faith. Second, the Matt 24:13 salvation is future (“will be saved,” from the Greek future tense, sothesetai) whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is past (“have been saved,” from the Greek perfect tense sesosmenoi). Salvation from hell was by grace through faith and has already happened to me, so what is the future salvation by endurance that Jesus is talking about in Matt 24:13? The answer is in the context.
Matthew 24:13 is part of an answer to the question that Jesus’ disciples asked earlier in the chapter:
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Matt 24:3 ESV)
It makes sense that the salvation in vs 13 should be in the future tense; after all, the disciples are asking about the future. Specifically, they were asking about the 7-year tribulation period. One reason we know that the Tribulation is in view is because Jesus says that the abomination of desolation (which Daniel talks about in Dan 9) will occur during this period. We also know that this is the tribulation because they asked immediately after Jesus said that not one stone of the temple would be left on another – surely a reference to the replacement of the 2nd temple with the temple that Ezekiel writes about in Ez 40-48.

Yep. There are still stones on top of each other.
(source)

We already know that the salvation in question is not salvation from hell, so what is it a salvation from? In verse 22, Jesus indicates that salvation from physical death is in mind:
And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. (ESV)
When Jesus says, “He who endures to the end will be saved,” He does not mean that you must be good until you die to be saved from hell. He is talking about a specific group of people in the future who will need to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to be saved from physical death.
Understanding Matt 24:13 is good news for several reasons. It’s good news to know that we don’t need to endure to the end of the Tribulation because we aren’t in the Tribulation. It’s also good news to know that we won’t even be in the Tribulation, in fact, this is the doctrine that Paul points to for us to encourage each other with.1 Perhaps most of all, it’s a relief to know that we can take Jesus at His word to give eternal life to whomever believes in Him for it:
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (John 5:24 ESV)

  1. See this article by a popular theologian.

Funny how I tried for 6 months to get a certain person to answer this question ((he refused to address it because he knew it would destroy his false doctrine if he admitted the truth)) and now it's a whole thread!

Endure in faith.
 

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I know Peter cussed & denied Jesus. mark ran away naked.Yet they became a hope to all nations.Maybe some of us will do better.
I believe people make mistake like Peter deny Jesus, but I believe he repented. If we dint Jesus and never repent than Jesus will deny us in front of His Father
Matt 10
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
 
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And it is. However, you'll notice no verse says our works will save us.

Good deeds are a reflection of being Saved in Christ. Not a means of staining Salvation in Christ.
I never quoted Works save us only the blood does this, but works does play into this. If we accept Jesus and the gift he gave and did nothing more, do you believe that is enough? Or does the parable about Hot, Cold, and Lukewarm apply? You also have Jesus saying in Matthew 7:19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Jesus himself tells us that not all those who profess to be Saved are...
 
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Jesus has known ever since His ascension... = )

... and then some 60+ years later (in about 95ad), He disclosed FURTHER INFORMATION on *that* Subject in the Book of "Revelation"... which is what v.1 is saying: "[The] Revelation OF JESUS CHRIST, which GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]..."

...(including His Rev19 "RETURN" to the earth... the SUBJECT of the passages stating "but of THAT day and hour KNOWETH [PERFECT indicative] no man"... not even Jesus DURING His earthly ministry... NOT that "no one WILL EVER KNOW" or "CAN EVER know"... no... that's not what the "perfect tense" is saying)...

... and where Rev1:1's "things which must come to pass in quickness [noun]" speaks of the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1... aka the "7 yr period" which immediately precedes and LEADS UP TO His Second Coming to the earth at Rev19)...

So regarding those who find themselves IN the 7-yr period [which FOLLOWS "our Rapture" event, by the way], there is nothing IN SCRIPTURE that suggests that the verses stating "of that day and hour KNOWETH [perfect indicative] no man" IS STILL APPLICABLE... No, Jesus KNOWS, and then later DISCLOSED... so that if they will but HEED HIS WORD [we know many in that time period will not] can indeed be informed of just when to expect His "return" to the earth (Rev19)... the very Subject of those verses. = )
I whole heartedly disagree with you, Jesus himself tells us in Mark 13:32“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alert e ! You do not know when that time will come. 34It’s like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with their assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.

I don't disagree Jesus knew the plan from the beginning, but when Jesus said only the Father knows I take him at face value.