What does God want in Christian churches?

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Lillywolf

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Not always.
Even the apostles had difficulty believing, accepting the death of Christ.
It was only after His resurrection and coming to them that they began to understand and rejoice.
Bad example.
Jesus anointed the Apostles feet before his crucifixion. He knew them by name and called them to serve his purpose. Even Judas he told to go forth and do what he must as Judas later pointed out Jesus to the temple guard that sought him in Gethsemane.

Lamentations 3:
38 Is it not out of the mouth of the Most High that evil and good both proceed [adversity and prosperity, physical evil or misfortune and physical good or happiness]?
39 Why does a living man sigh [one who is still in this life’s school of discipline]? [And why does] a man complain for the punishment of his sins?
 

SpoonJuly

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At the same time the Church is the entire body of believers -- the Body of Christ.
I believe it is a wrong use of the original word to call all believers "THE CHURCH"
We are Saints. We are children of God. We are the family of God.
The original word always referred to a local body where ALL members could assemble together.
I know that Church is now accepted as the entire body of believers but I still believe it is misusing the word.
We have reached the point where the local church is of little or no importance to many believers today.
To many say I am in the CHURCH and don't need to be a part of a local church.
There are many on this forum who openly admit they never or rarely attend a local church.
 

Lillywolf

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I believe it is a wrong use of the original word to call all believers "THE CHURCH"
We are Saints. We are children of God. We are the family of God.
The original word always referred to a local body where ALL members could assemble together.
I know that Church is now accepted as the entire body of believers but I still believe it is misusing the word.
We have reached the point where the local church is of little or no importance to many believers today.
To many say I am in the CHURCH and don't need to be a part of a local church.
There are many on this forum who openly admit they never or rarely attend a local church.
Actually, it was errant language for the Ecclesia to begin to use the word church at all.
 

SpoonJuly

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Bad example.
Jesus anointed the Apostles feet before his crucifixion. He knew them by name and called them to serve his purpose. Even Judas he told to go forth and do what he must as Judas later pointed out Jesus to the temple guard that sought him in Gethsemane.

Lamentations 3:
38 Is it not out of the mouth of the Most High that evil and good both proceed [adversity and prosperity, physical evil or misfortune and physical good or happiness]?
39 Why does a living man sigh [one who is still in this life’s school of discipline]? [And why does] a man complain for the punishment of his sins?
Please do not add you narrative to Scripture when you quote it.
I do not need your opinion what it means.

Yes Jesus did anoint the Apostles feet, but I stand by my statement that they did not understand nor rejoice in what happened until He later, after His resurrection, appeared to them.
 

Lillywolf

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Please do not add you narrative to Scripture when you quote it.
I do not need your opinion what it means.
Well, when you're so insistent on the divisive institution that is "church" you need to learn something from someone.

Understand something. Your hostility is unmistakable.
This is a public board. I quote you but my remarks are able to be read by everyone who does choose to read me.


Yes Jesus did anoint the Apostles feet, but I stand by my statement that they did not understand nor rejoice in what happened until He later, after His resurrection, appeared to them.
That's your opinion. Just like the one's you choose to disrespect because you don't agree. You have no scripture to support that.



Christ's Ekklesia and The Church Compared
Richard Anthony
 

SpoonJuly

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Well, when you're so insistent on the divisive institution that is "church" you need to learn something from someone.

Understand something. Your hostility is unmistakable.
This is a public board. I quote you but my remarks are able to be read by everyone who does choose to read me.


That's your opinion. Just like the one's you choose to disrespect because you don't agree. You have no scripture to support that.



Christ's Ekklesia and The Church Compared
Richard Anthony
I have tried to discuss this with you is a calm and respectful way and this is your response.
We will let those who read our post decide who is hostile.
 

Lillywolf

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I have tried to discuss this with you is a calm and respectful way and this is your response.
We will let those who read our post decide who is hostile.
Calm and respectful? I'd hate to see uptight and insolent.
I tire of passive aggressive personalities rather quickly.
You'll let? This isn't a popularity contest. You appear to have an issue with being wrong. I hope you avail yourself of the study on the difference between church and Ekklesia.

We don't have to speak to one another here.
 

SpoonJuly

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Calm and respectful? I'd hate to see uptight and insolent.
I tire of passive aggressive personalities rather quickly. We don't have to speak to one another here.
I will look "passive aggressive personalities" up later to see what you called me.
But, in the mean time I will continue to comment on statements you make I disagree with.
 

glf1

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How does that happen in a church?
Hey! Bill... PTL!
Gal 4: 19 "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,"

Church = the faithful of the New Covenant and never a building or a denomination.

Maranatha!
 

Nehemiah6

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I know that Church is now accepted as the entire body of believers but I still believe it is misusing the word.
Not if you study out the matter properly in the New Testament. And I quote just one verse:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. (Col 1:18).

There is only ONE BODY (singular), not dozens of bodies. One Head and one Body, just like the human body. Many limbs (members) but one Body. See 1 Cor 12 and other passages.

And each local church -- being a mixture of wheat and tares -- will have some who are of this Body and others who are not. There are many professing Christians, but not all are born again.
 

Locutus

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There is one body but many ekklēsiais:

Rev 1:4 John to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you, and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the Seven Spirits that are before His throne.

Rev 1:4 Ἰωάννης ταῖς ἑπτὰ ἐκκλησίαις ταῖς ἐν τῇ Ἀσίᾳ χάρις ὑμῖν καὶ εἰρήνη ἀπὸ ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν ἑπτὰ πνευμάτων ἃ ἐνώπιον τοῦ θρόνου αὐτοῦ
 

Miri

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First and foremost God wants a relationship with us.
Church should facilitate that.
 

SpoonJuly

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Lillywolf and SpoonJuly - one word -

IGNORE
NEVER-----
That is the way of losers.
I will never back down if I believe I am right.
I am always open to discussion and willing to listen.
It is obvious that some very vocal people have put me on ignore because they do not want to hear or address my challenge to their teaching on end time events.
They may chose to ignore me, but I will not ignore what I believe to be wrong understanding and teaching.
I will not be silenced.
 
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I believe loving God and loving one another are pleasing to God-- and edifying one another through the gifts God provides-- prophecy, teaching, exhortation, other types of revelation, tongues together with intepretation, and of course singing.
I have seen mostly just religious routines and superficial "loving" of each other. And rarely the "Fruit of the Spirit" and the spiritual gifts.
 
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What do Philippians 2:1-5 and Ephesians 4:11-16 mean to you? How would you teach those passages?