What does the Law REALLY say?

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KohenMatt

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I see the scripture that you gave and I wanted to ask you if any man was able to fulfill that scripture in Exodus 19:5-6;And if any man were not able to fulfill it,then I would wonder since we know that GOD is fair,why would he give them that scripture?
Good question. I would say that because God is fair and just, it is possible for man to follow obey the Law. Perfectly? Of course not. Fortunately, that's why God offered atonement.
 

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Does this law applys still ? Because if it does then the public transit system of every region in the world, making alot of people unclean until evening.

Leviticus 15 :19-24

19 When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20‘Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. 21‘Anyone who touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 22‘Whoever touches any thing on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 23Whether it be on the bed or on the thing on which she is sitting, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24‘If a man actually lies with her so that her menstrual impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days, and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.

God Bless brother and sister in Christ :)
That IS an interesting one as far as application goes. I think it's harder to tell these days than it was for Israel, so I suppose there is a bit of leniency there.

One thing to consider though, is there a difference between being "unclean" and being in "sin"?

It's interesting that Mary offered up a sacrifice after Jesus was born after her time of impurity (Luke 2). Did she offer it because she was in sin for giving birth to our Messiah, or was she offering it because she was unclean?
 

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That IS an interesting one as far as application goes. I think it's harder to tell these days than it was for Israel, so I suppose there is a bit of leniency there.

One thing to consider though, is there a difference between being "unclean" and being in "sin"?

It's interesting that Mary offered up a sacrifice after Jesus was born after her time of impurity (Luke 2). Did she offer it because she was in sin for giving birth to our Messiah, or was she offering it because she was unclean?
If we are going by the old testament laws, regulation that God gave specifically to the Children of Israel to a woman that has concived.

Leviticus 12

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. 3And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. 4And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. 5But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.6And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:7Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This is the law for her that hath born a male or a female. 8And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.

Mary had to follow according to the law of moses at that time to offer, One for the burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. There is a diffrence of being unclean and sin yes.

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If we look at the majority of the Law-related threads, there are usually very few references to the laws themselves. Instead, they are usually referred to as a whole unit and judged or analyzed as such. These laws are usually deemed to be burdensome and inapplicable to Christians today. However, when these commands are looked individually and on their own merit, they can provide great insight and application for Christians today. While some of them are in fact not applicable due to there being no temple, the majority of them are.

So for the sake of information and clarity, I'll be posting the actual commands and verses of all 613 laws in groups of their relevant sections (not all at once). I'm using the grouping and ordering as compiled by the Jewish scholar Maimonides, aka Rambam.
I have one that you can start with and it has to do with the sins of the tongue and the law in regards to that issue. 'Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor'. Here is a few more specifics on that in Deut 19:15-21...

15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

What is the NT commentary on this and how does it apply to NT saints and believers in the church?
 
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Matt posted on an open forum, of which I am a member. You want to speak to him personally, private message works. Anyone that mis-states gospel is subject to inspection and correction. You don't seem to understand that.
It is you who are misusing the gospel message. I have never stated that we must not listen to a scripture, you have. If you want to throw stones around and decide other's eyes are so blinded, I think it is what you have in your own eye that is the problem. Look in a mirror of scripture and accept what God and Christ is telling you. All of it. Not just one or two scriptures taken out of context, but all of God, we are not to pick and choose, ask God if we can.
 
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....................................... I have never stated that we must not listen to a scripture, you have. ................
That is a blatant lie. I have never said anyone "must not listen to a scripture". The only defense you have against me, since I use scripture, is to personally attack me.
You will say "I don't make personal attacks on you", but right in front of your face, my face, and everyone here that reads is a flat out lie you told about me in an effort to discredit me. That is a personal attack.

Go read what Clarke says about the law and tell me what part of what he says you disagree with, because I know you have to disagree.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...w-explanation-revelation-its-use-purpose.html
 

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We certainly many not look at the law and pick and choose. We look to Yeshua, Jesus, and He shows us which are to be followed. He is the Lamb of Yahweh for beginners, so which laws do you suppose He has taken care of here?

He teaches us nothing by entering the body will corrupt a person, but that which proceeds from a wicked heart of a man does corrupt; does this teach you anything?

Again, He teaches that He desires mercy and not sacrificed, and not to judge others lest we be judged by that same judgment. He gave mercy where the law required punishment, and this is the most telling and revealing of which laws are to be followed. Y

es, for many transgressions a person is worthy of death, but Yeshua had company on the cross, the curse of the law, and that curse is punishment and death. The law is now completed, fulfilled, but the law will always be as long as the earth and sky are in existence.

Do not come back with having had the law as a tutor or guardian until Messiah, for had you had the law as such, you would know all the above, for the law points to Yeshua, Jesus.

I pray the Holy Spirit in all teaches these truths about our Salvation, Yeshua, amen.


Where does the Bible say there are 613 laws? This is one Rabbinical interpretation - it isn't in the Bible!
You can't look at 'the law' and pick and choose which bits you like. The whole law is important (being the whole OT). The whole law reveals God's character. And the whole law is now superseded in Christ.
 
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You're right Hashe, the Law never states there are 613 specific Laws. But when people talk about the Law, it is usually recognized that there are 613. And like I said, "I'm using the grouping and ordering as compiled by the Jewish scholar Maimonides, aka Rambam."
When the Bible talks about 'the law', it means many different things. The idea of keeping the 613 commandments is not a scriptural thing. The law is primarily the Pentateuch, then the whole of the OT. The whole Pentateuch is authoritative not just a series of commandments with the OT. This is basis of your error, you pick and choose which scriptures you want to keep.
 
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Kingdom Living, is what the law says to me. Love is not just a word, love is an action. i love God, so my love in action wants to enjoy the gift He has given me, by obeying it, the law. i'm not under the law, i'm just enjoying living in it.
 

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When the Bible talks about 'the law', it means many different things. The idea of keeping the 613 commandments is not a scriptural thing. The law is primarily the Pentateuch, then the whole of the OT. The whole Pentateuch is authoritative not just a series of commandments with the OT. This is basis of your error, you pick and choose which scriptures you want to keep.
I'm sorry, where did I say that I, or anyone else, should only follow the 613 and not the whole Pentateuch/OT?
 
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I have one that you can start with and it has to do with the sins of the tongue and the law in regards to that issue. 'Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor'. Here is a few more specifics on that in Deut 19:15-21...

15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

What is the NT commentary on this and how does it apply to NT saints and believers in the church?
What does the Law really say on this matter. This OT law describe in the above passage happens often in the body of Christ and much more than we would like to admit and it never seems to be dealt with through teaching it as doctrine. There are those on this very site, that some of you admire, who are guilty of this with their tongue, but no one seems to care or they lack knowledge and understanding as to what to do, so they remain silent or they start accusing and railing on others. In verse 15 we see there is a distinction between iniquity and sin, can any explain what the distinction is? Can any explain what kind of witnesses is being referred to in that same verse? Can any give an example of a person who bears false witness against his brother in (v.18)? Do we still have a eye for an eye and tooth for tooth etc, or has this been done away and replaced with what? Is the judgment of (v.19) still applicable and if it is, how is it administered and by whom?
 

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The next group of commands, these ones relating to the Law itself. Again, for the purposes of seeing what the Law and its commands really say.


Torah/Law/Pentateuch

10 Deuteronomy 6:7 - On reciting the Sh'ma each morning and evening.
And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.


11 Deuteronomy 6:7 - On studying and teaching Torah.
And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.


12 Deuteronomy 6:8 - On binding Tefillin on the head.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.


13 Deuteronomy 6:8 - On binding Tefillin on the hand.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.


14 Numbers 15:38 - On making Tzitzit with thread of blue, garments corners.
Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:


15 Deuteronomy 6:9 - On affixing a Mezuzah to doorposts and gates.
And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.


16 Deuteronomy 31:12 - On Assembling each 7th year to hear the Torah read.
Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:


17 Deuteronomy 17:18 - On that a king must write a copy of Torah for himself.
And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites:


18 Deuteronomy 31:19 - On that everyone should have a Torah scroll.
Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.


19 Deuteronomy 8:10 - On praising God after eating, Grace after meals.
When thou hast eaten and art full, then thou shalt bless the Lord thy God for the good land which he hath given thee.
(I’m not sure why this command is included here, but that’s how Rambam grouped it.)
 

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What does the Law really say on this matter. This OT law describe in the above passage happens often in the body of Christ and much more than we would like to admit and it never seems to be dealt with through teaching it as doctrine. There are those on this very site, that some of you admire, who are guilty of this with their tongue, but no one seems to care or they lack knowledge and understanding as to what to do, so they remain silent or they start accusing and railing on others. In verse 15 we see there is a distinction between iniquity and sin, can any explain what the distinction is? Can any explain what kind of witnesses is being referred to in that same verse? Can any give an example of a person who bears false witness against his brother in (v.18)? Do we still have a eye for an eye and tooth for tooth etc, or has this been done away and replaced with what? Is the judgment of (v.19) still applicable and if it is, how is it administered and by whom?
A couple of Biblical examples that may or may not apply specifically to this passage....
I think Solomon provided a pretty good application of this with the 2 mothers and the baby (1 Kings 3).
I also think this is what Jesus was doing with the adulterous woman (John 8).

I think with the presence of Jesus and the Holy Spirit in our present day, these 2 provide the 2 or 3 witnesses. Jesus' sacrifice is the penalty and atonement for man's sin, and I believe that is the penalty and atonement in the eye for eye and tooth for tooth, so it is not our place as faulty and carnal individuals to make the judgment or punishment, but only the Holy Spirit living in us. "For where 2 or 3 gather in my name, there I am with them (Matt 18:20)."

I think the recognition of who is the false witness and the administration of the consequences is to be done by a group of mature, and wise believers. Verse 19 says that they should "put the evil away" from them. My personal understanding experience is that when you see this kind of behavior and sin, you cast the evil from you, or out or your church/congregation/fellowship. But that is a topic for a different time.
 

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The 1st half of commands regarding the Temple and it's priests.


TEMPLE AND THE PRIESTS


20 Exodus 25:8 - On building a Sanctuary / (Tabernacle / Temple) for God.
And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.


21 Leviticus 19:30 - On respecting the Sanctuary.
Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.


22 Numbers 18:4 - On guarding the Sanctuary.
And they shall be joined unto thee, and keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all the service of the tabernacle: and a stranger shall not come nigh unto you.


23 Numbers 18:23 - On Levitical services in the Tabernacle.
But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.


24 Exodus 30:19 - On Cohanim (Priests) washing hands and feet before entering Temple.
For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat;


25 Exodus 27:21 - On kindling the Menorah by the Cohanim (Priests).
In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the Lord: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel.


26 Numbers 6:23 - On the Cohanim (Priests) blessing Israel.
Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,


27 Exodus 25:30 - On the Showbread before the Ark.
And thou shalt set upon the table shewbread before me alway.


28 Exodus 30:7 - On Burning the Incense on the Golden Altar twice daily.
And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it.


29 Leviticus 6:13 - On the perpetual fire on the Altar.
The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.
 

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I am waiting in eager anticipation of your continuation. I do not know if you are planning this, but I look to see the instructions to turn and face the Temple when praying from where ever they may live when outside of Israel? My custom is to face Jerusalem when I pray all the time knowing the actual New Jerusalem is yet to come. I suppose one may refer to it as one of those much spoken of shadows of things to come.........
 

KohenMatt

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I am waiting in eager anticipation of your continuation. I do not know if you are planning this, but I look to see the instructions to turn and face the Temple when praying from where ever they may live when outside of Israel? My custom is to face Jerusalem when I pray all the time knowing the actual New Jerusalem is yet to come. I suppose one may refer to it as one of those much spoken of shadows of things to come.........
Personally, I've never prayed to Jerusalem. My understanding of the reason in praying towards Jerusalem is because that is where God dwells.

Today however, God dwells in me and in others, so the direction isn't really an issue for me. But I don't look down on those who do.
 

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The only Jerusalem I recognize is the one to come down from God. Facing to the East, for me, is facing where our Lord is to appear. Of course we are living stones of the Temple with the Head and the Cornerstone being our Savior, Himself. There are many reasons I do this, face the East. It is not written anywhere that I must do this; it is simply my manner of honoring our Maker. Surely Yeshua is returning soon, amen.

Personally, I've never prayed to Jerusalem. My understanding of the reason in praying towards Jerusalem is because that is where God dwells.

Today however, God dwells in me and in others, so the direction isn't really an issue for me. But I don't look down on those who do.
 

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The 2nd half of commands regarding the Temple and it's priests.

30 Leviticus 6:10 - On removing the ashes from the Altar.
And the priest shall put on his linen garment, and his linen breeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.


31 Numbers 5:2 - On removing unclean persons from the camp.
Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:


32 Leviticus 21:8 - On honoring the Cohanim (Priests).
Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the Lord, which sanctify you, am holy.


33 Exodus 28:2 - On the garments of the Cohanim (Priests).
And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.


34 Numbers 7:9 - On Cohanim (Priests) bearing the Ark on their shoulders.
But unto the sons of Kohath he gave none: because the service of the sanctuary belonging unto them was that they should bear upon their shoulders.


35 Exodus 30:31 - On the holy anointing oil.
And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations.


36 Deuteronomy 18:6-8 - On the Cohanim (Priests) ministering in rotation / watches.
And if a Levite come from any of thy gates out of all Israel, where he sojourned, and come with all the desire of his mind unto the place which the Lord shall choose; Then he shall minister in the name of the Lord his God, as all his brethren the Levites do, which stand there before the Lord. They shall have like portions to eat, beside that which cometh of the sale of his patrimony.


37 Leviticus 21:2-3 - On the Cohanim (Priests) being defiled for dead relatives.
But for his kin, that is near unto him, that is, for his mother, and for his father, and for his son, and for his daughter, and for his brother. And for his sister a virgin, that is nigh unto him, which hath had no husband; for her may he be defiled.


38 Leviticus 21:13 - On that Cohen haGadol (High Priest) may only marry a virgin.
And he shall take a wife in her virginity.
 

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Sacrifices/Offerings and the Feast Days – Part 1 of a large group of commands

39 Numbers 28:3 - On the twice Daily Burnt, tamid, offerings.
And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the Lord; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering.


40 Leviticus 6:20 - On Cohen haGadol's (High Priest) twice daily meal offering.
This is the offering of Aaron and of his sons, which they shall offer unto the Lord in the day when he is anointed; the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a meat offering perpetual, half of it in the morning, and half thereof at night.


41 Numbers 28:9 - On the Shabbat additional, musaf, offering.
And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:


42 Numbers 28:11 - On the New Moon, Rosh Chodesh, additional offering.
And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;


43 Leviticus 23:36 - On Pesach (Passover) additional offering.
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.


44 Leviticus 23:15 - On the second day of Pesach (Passover) meal offering of theOmer (Counting).
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:


45 Numbers 28:26 - On Shavuot (Pentecost) additional, musaf, offering.
Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the Lord, after your weeks be out, ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:


46 Leviticus 23:17 - On the Two Loaves of bread Wave offering on Shavuot(Pentecost).
Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord


47 Numbers 29:1-2 - On Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year) additional offering.
And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you. And ye shall offer a burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the Lord; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year without blemish:


48 Numbers 29:7-8 - On Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) additional offering.
And ye shall have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein: But ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the Lord for a sweet savour; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year; they shall be unto you without blemish:


49 Leviticus 16 - On the service of Yom Kippur, Avodah.
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord. It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.


50 Numbers 29:13 - On Sukkot, musaf, offerings.
And ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; thirteen young bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year; they shall be without blemish:


51 Numbers 29:36 - On the Shemini Atzeret additional offering.
But ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: one bullock, one ram, seven lambs of the first year without blemish:


52 Exodus 23:14 - On the three annual Festival pilgrimages to the Temple.
Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.


53 Exodus 34:23 - On appearing before YHVH during the Festivals.
Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the LORD GOD, the God of Israel.


54 Deuteronomy 16:14 - On rejoicing on the Festivals.
And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates.
 
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Good question. I would say that because God is fair and just, it is possible for man to follow obey the Law. Perfectly? Of course not. Fortunately, that's why God offered atonement.
IMO GOD gave the children of Isreal that scripture in Exodus 19:5-6 because he wanted them to recognize
sin and that sin had them hopelessly defeated and that they needed a savoir.They kept breaking the law and BTW that's what some of the people here on cc are always saying(you can't keep sinning and be righteous)but just like the children of isreal,we all sin and GOD is holy so if it wasn't for JESUS coming to earth as a man and GOD,we would all be doomed,that's why I think the new covenant was given....GOD came and fulfilled all the law and now sin cannot stop us from having a relationship with GOD.GOD in the flesh finished the work and gave us grace;we have access to this grace through faith.