What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."

[know1]

my view is they were heavenly beings.
when Noah and his family re populated the earth the nations were under the Most High, something happened, they rebelled at babel, and all nations were divided and given over to these heavenly beings, all nations because there was no Israel at the time, after babel what happens, the very next chapter is the calling of Abram, the Lords portion.
and like you, this is just my opinion, i am not the final authority on such things, but to me this view is the most logical one.

Another thought that just came to me.
The Jews were saying Jesus was a mere man, or mortal, and that is when Jesus, referring to mortal men were gods.
So now, I don't know what it was referring to.
The only thing I know is that Jesus was saying we mortals are sons or children of God, because He was responding to what the Jews said to Him about being a mere man.
What are your thoughts on that?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I understand.

Just an opinion. To me, God gives power to rule to men. This doesn't make men Elohim, capital E, or deity, but authority to make judgements what is right or wrong among men. It's the same thing with the body of Christ. We have authority to act in the power of Holy Spirit in the place of Jesus. Under unction though, not outside the Head.

But, in both instances, God Himself judged the judges , and Jesus is head of His body. Men under authority, yet given authority.

Might make sense just to me. Lol

and my dog needs me again. Poor baby..later.

Nobody has been given authority to be a god. There is only one god/God.

 

[jaybird88]

Another thought that just came to me.
The Jews were saying Jesus was a mere man, or mortal, and that is when Jesus, referring to mortal men were gods.
So now, I don't know what it was referring to.
The only thing I know is that Jesus was saying we mortals are sons or children of God, because He was responding to what the Jews said to Him about being a mere man.
What are your thoughts on that?

i had the exact same thought before, Jesus shows a connection between mortal men and sons of the Most High. so i went back and looked at all this again. i think the key to all this is that these rulers are sons of the Most High, Jesus was the Son of the Most High, He teaches we can become sons of the Most High, and He teaches sons of the Most High do not die. so i thiunk these rulers were like Adam, he was created a son of the Most High, walked in the garden with the Most High, had no death until His fall.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

it was back on post 361

There are no such thing as gods. Only one god exists.

When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number in his heavenly court.
Deuteronomy 32:8 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/deu.32.8.NLT

 

[know1]

i had the exact same thought before, Jesus shows a connection between mortal men and sons of the Most High. so i went back and looked at all this again. i think the key to all this is that these rulers are sons of the Most High, Jesus was the Son of the Most High, He teaches we can become sons of the Most High, and He teaches sons of the Most High do not die. so i thiunk these rulers were like Adam, he was created a son of the Most High, walked in the garden with the Most High, had no death until His fall.

I suppose then the big question is, who is "all of you", and "them", that God was talking about?
Like I said, I don't know, as I haven't asked God, nor have I studied the verses.
I do think Jesus sometimes used a play in words. Saying one thing while meaning another.

 

[jaybird88]

I suppose then the big question is, who is "all of you", and "them", that God was talking about?

"all of you", and "them" from the psalms passage?

Like I said, I don't know, as I haven't asked God, nor have I studied the verses.
I do think Jesus sometimes used a play in words. Saying one thing while meaning another.

i think Jesus did teachings within the teaching. he would say something, mean what he said, but within that truth were deep mysteries.

my big question (one among many) has always been what happened between Noah and terra. it was only like 400 years between them, they would have known each other, yet Noah was a man of the Lord, terra made Idols. its been two thousand years since Jesus ascended, we remember Jesus, how did terra's generation turn away, especially with a living Noah they could go see and talk to? very strange.

 

[jaybird88]

There are no such thing as gods. Only one god exists.

then why have a command to not worship other gods when they dont exist?

When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number in his heavenly court.
Deuteronomy 32:8 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/deu.32.8.NLT

ok so the Most High divided up th enations, He took Israel for His portion, and . . . .who got the rest?

and another passage:

Acts 7:42
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets:

“‘Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices,
during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?

 

[followjesus]

then why have a command to not worship other gods when they dont exist?



ok so the Most High divided up th enations, He took Israel for His portion, and . . . .who got the rest?

and another passage:

Acts 7:42
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets:

“‘Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices,
during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?

Joshua 24 " Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, <<( things were not told in scripture) and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; ( choice)whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
16And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods; 17For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed: 18And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God.
19And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. 20If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. 21And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD. 22And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses. 23Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel."


" Allah", is the name of the god of islam,1.8 billion muslims, name him thier god, for every religion, there is a god man makes idols, but devils create doctrines of worship. gods arent to be worshipped, Only God. . there are definately evil heavenly beings at work, not men , not God, spiritual beings. God is a spirit. there is also roots of corrupt validity to religions such as witchcraft, to practices such as spiritual mediums 1 exampe from scripture

1 samuel 28 " Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.8And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 9And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 10And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. 11Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

12And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 13And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.<<<< 14And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he iscovered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
15And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?"

just because we personally may not believe there are things w don not understand or perceive, doesnt change that there are dark spiritual forces at work, God most High is God, in the heavenly realms and on the earth there are many gods. they all lead to hell, but there are many that lead people astray.


just as God is a spirit, gods are "a belief or "a faith" religions all have gods.

 

[followjesus]

You didn't provide any Scripture supporting that you are right.

its the Whole reason for the " inheritance doctrine" the children inherit the possessions of the Father. " all the Father has belongs to His children. and that, is those who accept and follow His Son, do you get that we are Brothers of Jesus? Sons of the Most High God? Born of Gods spirit ? the scripture says we are " co Heirs with Christ" " Heirs of God" that we will inherit the earth, we will inherit the Kingdom. everything that Jesus has, we are promised.

romans 8 " 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,( 1 john 5:2-4) to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? "

revelation 5 " And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (<< Gentile or jew) 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

daniel 7:22 " Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."

matthew 25:34 " Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

revelation 11:15 " And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

galatians 4 " : 4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ." <<< wow huh


romans 8 " 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." <<< wow

1 john 3 " Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure."

Jesus is the Son of God, we are the sons of God, Jesus is beloved of God, we are beloved of God, Jesus was filled with the holy Ghost, we are filled with the Holy ghost. Jesus walked on water, peter walked on water, Jesus raised the dead, paul raised the dead, Jesus healed the sick, His disciples healed the sick, Jesus prayed and God heard Him, we pray and God hears us. the Son of God, the sons of God.....


luke 3:38 " Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."


mans purpose is to be the children of God, to be made like Him, when we perceive Jesus in the gospel, we are seeing the image of what man is meant to be. just like adam was given rule over the eath in genesis 1-2, man will inherit the earth through Jesus. were made for more than it seems, the first generations after adam brought death lived 900,800 700 plus years, after noahs generation, God limits our years to 120. we have fallen so far from where we began. Jesus came to restore that wich was lost.

 

[followjesus]

in other words listen to this

[video=youtube;1pn6Ry46KOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pn6Ry46KOc[/video]

 

[followjesus]

in other words listen to this

[video=youtube;1pn6Ry46KOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pn6Ry46KOc[/video]

john 3:35 " 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. "

Luke 3:38 " Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the sonof Adam, which was the son of God."

Genesis 1 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."


mankind are the sons of God, both male and female, because our spirit, came out from Him, after adams transgression and fall, it changes, we become the sons of man, made in the image or " glory " of adam, who is the first sinner. The relationship he had before transgression, is what is offered to us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. it was Gods plan from the very beginning, to make man in His own image and Likeness. the same as when we have a child. even from the start, adam becomes a living soul, when God breathes into Him, our Life originates from Gods spirit.

This is true of children, every child born, begins as a seed of thier fathers spirit. we all who are born the life in us originated from God Himself. God doesnt pro create like flesh, He speaks and that creates. and He gives His spirit to men. that makes us legitimate children from the beginning. it is man who lost sight of who we are, Jesus came to witness to the truth, that mankinds true purpose, is to be Gods children, be blessed and given the kingdom of Earth , to see God the Father face to face, theses things are all promised in the Gospel. it is the truth. we are Gods Children, the decision is whether or not to hear the parable of the prodigal son and accept it is a teaching for the children gone lost, to turn from the slop and mire that mankind has made home.......and remember where Our Home is, and Who is waiting for us with open arms, to welcome us Home no matter the things weve done, and to tell us " all i have is yours, to dress us in royal robes, to place the family crest upon our hand, to Kiss and Hug us because He has been wanting and waiting to see us far off, that He could run and throw Hius arms around us, as Has been His desire from the creation of man.


Jesus is the answer we never knew was even a question.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

then why have a command to not worship other gods when they dont exist?



ok so the Most High divided up th enations, He took Israel for His portion, and . . . .who got the rest?

and another passage:

Acts 7:42
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets:

“‘Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices,
during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?

I'm done discussing anything further with you because you ignore the whole data of the Bible. For the umpteenth time, there is only one god that exists:

... We know that the false gods in this world don’t really exist and that no god exists except the one God. People may say that there are gods in heaven and on earth—many gods and many Lords, as they would call them.
1 Corinthians 8:4*-‬5 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/1co.8.4-5.GW

 

[DevotiontoBible]

its the Whole reason for the " inheritance doctrine" the children inherit the possessions of the Father. " all the Father has belongs to His children. and that, is those who accept and follow His Son, do you get that we are Brothers of Jesus? Sons of the Most High God? Born of Gods spirit ? the scripture says we are " co Heirs with Christ" " Heirs of God" that we will inherit the earth, we will inherit the Kingdom. everything that Jesus has, we are promised.

romans 8 " 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,( 1 john 5:2-4) to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? "

revelation 5 " And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (<< Gentile or jew) 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

daniel 7:22 " Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."

matthew 25:34 " Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

revelation 11:15 " And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

galatians 4 " : 4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ." <<< wow huh


romans 8 " 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." <<< wow

1 john 3 " Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure."

Jesus is the Son of God, we are the sons of God, Jesus is beloved of God, we are beloved of God, Jesus was filled with the holy Ghost, we are filled with the Holy ghost. Jesus walked on water, peter walked on water, Jesus raised the dead, paul raised the dead, Jesus healed the sick, His disciples healed the sick, Jesus prayed and God heard Him, we pray and God hears us. the Son of God, the sons of God.....


luke 3:38 " Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."


mans purpose is to be the children of God, to be made like Him, when we perceive Jesus in the gospel, we are seeing the image of what man is meant to be. just like adam was given rule over the eath in genesis 1-2, man will inherit the earth through Jesus. were made for more than it seems, the first generations after adam brought death lived 900,800 700 plus years, after noahs generation, God limits our years to 120. we have fallen so far from where we began. Jesus came to restore that wich was lost.

We are sons of God by adoption. Jesus is not. Jesus is 100% God. We are 0% God. Jesus walked on water to show us His Deity but Peter couldn't walk on the water even with Jesus helping him, nobody has ever walked on water but Jesus. Never do we see Peter later in his life saying "I finally got the hang of walking on water and you all should do it too". Jesus did nature miracles but nobody since Jesus did one nature miracle. That was to show us His Deity. You are not, nor ever will be a deified god. Why are you so focused on yourself with believing your a god delusion? Our trust is to be in Christ to save us from our sins not in ourselves to be gods with authority barking commands at the air. Your doctrine was never heard of in church history until after WWII when it was invented by EW Kenyon and plagiarized by Kenneth Hagin.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Luke 3:38 " Adam, which was the son of God."

"the" is in italics in most translations there because that word is not in the original Greek manuscripts. Scripture only calls Jesus "THE" Son of God. You are only "a" son of God by adoption. Your doctrine glorifies yourself and tears Christ down.

 

[jaybird88]

I'm done discussing anything further with you because you ignore the whole data of the Bible. For the umpteenth time, there is only one god that exists:

... We know that the false gods in this world don’t really exist and that no god exists except the one God. People may say that there are gods in heaven and on earth—many gods and many Lords, as they would call them.
1 Corinthians 8:4*-‬5 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/1co.8.4-5.GW

i couldnt agree more with Paul, there may be many gods but there is only one Most High.

Exodus 15:1
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

i have not ignored anything, ask me a question, any question.
show me a scripture, any scripture.

you however will not answer these questions.
why have a command dont worship other gods when their are no other gods to worship?
or we can play it your way, why have a command not to believe in other gods (for some reason you seem to think "have" other gods means to believe they exist) when their are no other gods to believe in?
and why is there scripture after scripture after scripture talking about other gods and zero that say other gods do not exist?

 

[jaybird88]

We are 0% God.

where did our soul come from?

 

[Musicus]

i couldnt agree more with Paul, there may be many gods but there is only one Most High.

Exodus 15:1
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

i have not ignored anything, ask me a question, any question.
show me a scripture, any scripture.

you however will not answer these questions.
why have a command dont worship other gods when their are no other gods to worship?
or we can play it your way, why have a command not to believe in other gods (for some reason you seem to think "have" other gods means to believe they exist) when their are no other gods to believe in?
and why is there scripture after scripture after scripture talking about other gods and zero that say other gods do not exist?

If there are any little "g" gods God the Father created them. I don't think He did, that they exist only in men's minds. Can you list maybe one or two of them, and show what they have done that they can be called gods? that show they really exist? in real life today, now? I think the references are to the stars, constellations, the moon, made-up weird animals, phantoms made of shadows in the dark.

 

[Nehemiah6]

why have a command dont worship other gods when their are no other gods to worship?

Because they are simply dumb idols -- as Scripture says -- not actual gods, but presumed to be gods by their worshipers. But behind those "gods" are demons, and again that is what Scripture says. We can either go by what the Word of God reveals, or we can go with the ideas of men.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to [1] corruptible man, and to [2] birds, and [3] fourfooted beasts, and [4] creeping things. (Rom 1:22,23).

One only has to look at the pantheons of pagan "gods" to see that they are not really gods.

 

[jaybird88]

If there are any little "g" gods God the Father created them. I don't think He did, that they exist only in men's minds. Can you list maybe one or two of them

1 Kings 11:7
Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem.



1 Kings 11:33
because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of Moab, and Milcom the god of the Ammonites, and they have not walked in my ways, doing what is right in my sight and keeping my statutes and my rules, as David his father did.

, and show what they have done that they can be called gods? that show they really exist?

Exodus 7:11
Then Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts.

i dont think the Egyptian priest were calling on the Lord of Israel for that power. its also an interesting passage, the Egyptians, who worshiped many gods, produced many snakes, Moses and Aaron, who worshiped the one Most High, produced one snake. and the one snake was greater than all the snakes of Egypt. compare with:

Exodus 15:1
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

in real life today, now?

you ever been to our nations capitol? very little statues or paintings honoring biblical heroes like Jesus, Moses or Elijah, but they have lots and lots and i mean lots of statues and paintings of greek and roman gods. the EU building is modeled after the tower of babel, giant statue of Shiva in front of the hadron collider. someone thinks these gods are significant.

I think the references are to the stars, constellations, the moon, made-up weird animals, phantoms made of shadows in the dark.

i would never put a statue of a made up shadow in front of my home or where i work, most church going common folks wouldnt, but to those that control governments, those with great power and influence, they think its a great idea.


2 Corinthians 4:4

4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[jaybird88]

Because they are simply dumb idols -- as Scripture says -- not actual gods, but presumed to be gods by their worshipers. But behind those "gods" are demons, and again that is what Scripture says. We can either go by what the Word of God reveals, or we can go with the ideas of men.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to [1] corruptible man, and to [2] birds, and [3] fourfooted beasts, and [4] creeping things. (Rom 1:22,23).

One only has to look at the pantheons of pagan "gods" to see that they are not really gods.

it would take dumb people to believe a dumb idol was real. the Egyptians built the pyramids, were some of the most intelligent people of their day and they put their greatest minds into the priesthood. do our greatest minds today go into the priesthood?