What exactly is faith?

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John146

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NOV25 said:
Even the demons believe, but this is t saving faith obviously James 2:19. Saving faith is a gift Ephesians 2:8
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What does the verse say demons believe? That there is one God. Believing that there is one God will not save anyone.
 
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Actually it doesn't say that. james 2:19-223 says :

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.

the point made yes the lord God is ONE, devil knows this, but faith and belief is not just knowing and accepting it is real or God is one God,

it is as Abraham did, He obeyed God because HE believed HE is God and offered his son in obedience to God That is faith in action which is Biblical belief.
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The devils don’t believe on Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins. That’s the belief that saves. No works are necessary. All they believe is that there is one God.
 
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John146 said:
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
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the English word "Believed" there in the Greek contextually is speaking of Abraham trust in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something not that he was accepting there was a God Abraham's understanding of God was far more than agreeing there is one. Abraham Knew God.

Believed = to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with. requires action.
 
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John146 said:
The devils don’t believe on Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. That’s the belief that saves. No works are necessary. All they believe is that there is one God.
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No one has said that. The Devil Knows God. We know he does by what satan said to Jesus in the wilderness. Jesus too said He saw satan fall. We know in Job He came before the presence of God and spoke to God. The devil does far more than his willingness to agree there is a God.
 
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the English word "Believed" there in the Greek contextually is speaking of Abraham trust in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something not that he was accepting there was a God Abraham's understanding of God was far more than agreeing there is one. Abraham Knew God.

Believed = to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with. requires action.
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The bible defines it for us, no Greek needed.

Romans 4
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
 
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John146 said:
The bible defines it for us, no Greek needed.

Romans 4
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
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I'm sorry you know better than the original translation it was written from. I will not engage in a battle with you over semantics.
You seem to have an issue with the understanding of the relationship with God that Abraham had in such a way, he, was called the "friend of God" as James 2:23 states.
 
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Whats the difference between the Faith ' of' Jesus and Faith ' in Jesus ?
 
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