What Happens to an UNBAPTIZED believer?

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notuptome

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SeaBass said:
Mk 16:16 makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the unbaptized believer to be saved.
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That which men deem impossible is possible with God. My God is the God of the impossible.

You really do not understand Mark 16:16 not even one little bit.

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notuptome said:
That which men deem impossible is possible with God. My God is the God of the impossible.

You really do not understand Mark 16:16 not even one little bit.

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God does not go against His own words in Mk 16:16. But God will enforce those words on judgment day.

Mk 16:16 is easy to understand but gets twisted and distorted by those that do not like what it simply says.
 
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if you only knew the scriptures as well as you know Chubby Checker's music you wouldn't be making some of these statements.
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He has no valid argument left. So expect more "Chubby Checker" and "Cambellite" type posts.
 
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dcontroversal said:
it is obvious you don't understand KAI.....WASHING AND REGENERATION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT water......doesn't say anything about water......You should read Luke 16 and how the rich man begged for water...that is you in picture if you keep trusting into water over blood!
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you change the words to suit your doctrine...it does not say washing and regeneration by the HS
[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us,(1) through the washing of regeneration and(2) renewing of the Holy Spirit,
 
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posthuman said:


the verse specifically and clearly says washing and regeneration by the Holy Spirit! not water!

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(Titus 3:4-7)


justified by His grace!!
saved not by our righteous works but by His mercy!!

folks, this is the gospel we have received - that Christ saves us, because we are completely incapable of commending ourselves to God by anything that we do!! we need a Savior and praise God, we have one!

how then can we say that anything saves except the mercy of God Himself as demonstrated and given to us by Jesus Christ !?!
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the verse says... by(1) the washing of regeneration and(2) renewal of the Holy Spirit,

you say...the verse specifically and clearly says washing and regeneration by the Holy Spirit! not water!

two completely different things...
 
notuptome

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SeaBass said:
God does not go against His own words in Mk 16:16. But God will enforce those words on judgment day.

Mk 16:16 is easy to understand but gets twisted and distorted by those that do not like what it simply says.
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Baptizo is the greek word used in Mark 16:16 That word is used in conjunction with Holy Spirit baptism not water baptism. You deny the Holy Spirit baptism so you are not in the quickened soul category of souls. The latter half of the verse makes it crystal clear that not someone who is unbaptized but someone who does not believe is condemned.

I'll make it super simple for you. Belief and Holy Spirit baptism yields eternal life. No belief and no Holy Spirit baptism yields no eternal life.

And you hath He quickened who were dead in trespass and sins. Quickened by the Holy Spirit.

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posthuman said:


the verse specifically and clearly says washing and regeneration by the Holy Spirit! not water!
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A minor point, posthuman;
don't confuse 'em with the facts,
their mind's made up!
 
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...nothing new under the sun...
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Newb posted:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us,(1) through the washing of regeneration and(2) renewing of the Holy Spirit,

What happened to your old AND-GLUE theory?

Regeneration is the work of the Holy Spirit as is renewing, very similar terms.

There is no water no no baptism in the verse!

Moreover, it states no bad outcome for any unbaptized believer!
 
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What happens to the unbaptized believers? is the topic.
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The opposite of what happens to baptised believers...He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 
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Now we have another post, where nothing is said about unbaptized believers nor what happens to such. In fact, neither baptism, nor water occurs in Titus 3:5. Also, there are no numbers 1 & 2 in the verse.

If anyone wishes to prove something about unbaptized believers, make sure of 2 things:
1) a believer in Christ is mentioned (one who trusts Him as Savior) &
2) not baptized occurs.

You need a passage like the following (which is not in the Bible):


"And afterward he was manifested unto the eleven themselves as they sat at meat and discussed being baptized in water, he upbraided them for being unbaptized and hardness of heart, because they did not get baptized at the report of them that had seen him after he was risen. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that does not get baptized shall be condemned. For John indeed baptized with the Spirit, but I baptize with water. And ye shall be baptized with water not many days hence.


newbirth said:
you change the words to suit your doctrine...it does not say washing and regeneration by the HS
[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us,(1) through the washing of regeneration and(2) renewing of the Holy Spirit,
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I don't see any changer of words there NewB, except that you insert two words in the passage, a one & a two.

NewB, you won't be saved by any human works.

Salvation is only by trusting the Savior.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved.
 
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newbirth said:
The opposite of what happens to baptised believers...He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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It is a logical fallacy to deny an antecedent. To say that men who bread get fat proves nothing about men who don't eat bread. You may not infer the opposite from a positive sentence. Logic 101.

Your passage says not a word about unbaptized believers. And it does not say, "He who is baptized not shall be damned." Neither is there "water" in the verse.
 
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Atwood said:
Newb posted:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us,(1) through the washing of regeneration and(2) renewing of the Holy Spirit,

What happened to your old AND-GLUE theory?

Regeneration is the work of the Holy Spirit as is renewing, very similar terms.

There is no water no no baptism in the verse!

Moreover, it states no bad outcome for any unbaptized believer!
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really Atwood where is your understanding? are you 5 degrees below zero?

if I told you I got baptised yesterday ...you would automatically conclude I was spirit baptised because I did not mention water...there is a washing....of regeneration and there is a renewing...... of the HS

Ananias told Paul...
Acts 22:16

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 
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Atwood said:
It is a logical fallacy to deny an antecedent. To say that men who bread get fat proves nothing about men who don't eat bread. You may not infer the opposite from a positive sentence. Logic 101.

Your passage says not a word about unbaptized believers. And it does not say, "He who is baptized not shall be damned." Neither is there "water" in the verse.
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Again your logic...if a man says he is thirsty you will give him vinegar because he did not mention water...but we know it says he who believe and is baptised shall be saved...and you are baptised ...but you teach it is cool if you are not baptised...
 
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Atwood said:
Now we have another post, where nothing is said about unbaptized believers nor what happens to such. In fact, neither baptism, nor water occurs in Titus 3:5. Also, there are no numbers 1 & 2 in the verse.

If anyone wishes to prove something about unbaptized believers, make sure of 2 things:
1) a believer in Christ is mentioned (one who trusts Him as Savior) &
2) not baptized occurs.

You need a passage like the following (which is not in the Bible):


"And afterward he was manifested unto the eleven themselves as they sat at meat and discussed being baptized in water, he upbraided them for being unbaptized and hardness of heart, because they did not get baptized at the report of them that had seen him after he was risen. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that does not get baptized shall be condemned. For John indeed baptized with the Spirit, but I baptize with water. And ye shall be baptized with water not many days hence.




I don't see any changer of words there NewB, except that you insert two words in the passage, a one & a two.

NewB, you won't be saved by any human works.

Salvation is only by trusting the Savior.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved.
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because you don't want to see...this is what you guys are saying...washing and regeneration by the HS...
this is what the scripture says....through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
 
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To the OP the same thing that happened to the thief on the cross or did Jesus lie?
 
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Tell me what are the requirements to be saved, what work can you do to be saved? if we can get saved by works, then why wasn't the law enough to do the job?
 
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Atwood said:
Alligator made a post which doesn't prove a thing about unbaptized believers.



Am I mistaken, or do these water-baptizer heretics claim 2 things that are contradictory:

1) The thief on the cross is irrelevant since the way of being saved has changed by dispensation.
2) The teaching in John 3 (before the crucifixion) proves that water baptism saves today
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First it is an error to postulate different ways of salvation: It has always been by faith/belief as to the human component.

Secondly, John 3 has nothing to do with baptism, which term is absent. But if you argue from that, then you have to stop eliminating the thief on the cross. For if John 3 speaks of how to be saved today, then you have to include data before the death of Christ.
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Yes, you are mistaken.

Your question is off topic. See below. You do not mention believes in the Lord Jesus ; trusts in the Lord Jesus ; nor do you ask anything about going to hell.

What Happens to an UNBAPTIZED believer?

If a man believes in the Lord Jesus, trusts the Lord Jesus as His Savior, but he does not get water baptized, what happens to him? Does he go to hell? Bible proof?​
 
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John 3

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No head dunking mentioned or is it a lie?
 
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The cross is not enough, we have to add our works, by saying you must dunk your head in water in the presence of a preist defecates on the cross and calls it insufficient.
 
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