What Happens to an UNBAPTIZED believer?

[dcontroversal]

Titus 3:5 says we are saved by washing of regeneration/water baptism.

Not by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY he SAVED US, by THE Washing of regeneration and RENEWING of the HOLY SPIRIT. WHICH he shed on us abundantly DIA JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR..not water...you really should go peddle your COC doctrine someplace else and quit adding to and embellishing the word so you can spread your heretical view!

WASHING OF REGENERATION AND RENEWING BY THE HOLY SPIRIT<--------NOT WATER!

 

[SeaBass]

Not by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY he SAVED US, by THE Washing of regeneration and RENEWING of the HOLY SPIRIT. WHICH he shed on us abundantly DIA JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR..not water...you really should go peddle your COC doctrine someplace else and quit adding to and embellishing the word so you can spread your heretical view!

WASHING OF REGENERATION AND RENEWING BY THE HOLY SPIRIT<--------NOT WATER!

"works of righteousness we have done" = works of merit
"washing of regeneration"/water baptism = work of righteousness (Acts 10:35; 1 Jn 3:10)

In the verse, washing of regeneration/water baptism is contrasted from works of merit.

 

[dcontroversal]

"works of righteousness we have done" = works of merit
"washing of regeneration"/water baptism = work of righteousness (Acts 10:35; 1 Jn 3:10)

In the verse, washing of regeneration/water baptism is contrasted from works of merit.

it is obvious you don't understand KAI.....WASHING AND REGENERATION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT water......doesn't say anything about water......You should read Luke 16 and how the rich man begged for water...that is you in picture if you keep trusting into water over blood!

 

[Atwood]

The thread topic is what happens to unbaptized believers, according to scripture. I don't see anything about unbaptized believers in the latest Seabass post.

QUOTE=SeaBass;1696441]"works of righteousness we have done" = works of merit
"washing of regeneration"/water baptism = work of righteousness (Acts 10:35; 1 Jn 3:10)
In the verse, washing of regeneration/water baptism is contrasted from works of merit.[/QUOTE]

More nonsense, SeaBass.

All good works are works of merit.
All works of merit are good works.
All good works are done in obedience to the Lord.
All works of obedience are good works are works of merit.

Refrain from inventing categories to confuse the truth.

For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves,
not of works lest anyone should boast.

And it is noted that you have not presented any Bible verse where it says a believer did not get water-baptized and then was going to go to hell or be condemned. It is interesting how Mark 16 left out the fate of the unbaptized (even though there is no water in Mark 16).


What happens to the unbaptized believers? is the topic.

 

[Atwood]

Titus 3:5 says we are saved by washing of regeneration/water baptism.

Now anyone who cares to see the nonsense of that statement can read Titus 3:5 where neither water nor baptism are mentioned.

It also says absolutely nothing about unbaptized believers, the topic.

 

[posthuman]

Oh really. Look at this: Matt. 3:11 Jesus said "I baptize you with water" and guess what word he uses, BAPTIZO. Acts 2:38; Mark 16:15-16; are other scriptures that use it. You re spreading false information. It is obvious you are just trying to make a case for Spirit baptism.​

dude, re-read the text.

John says that, not Jesus. Jesus never baptized anyone with water.

 

[dcontroversal]

dude, re-read the text.

John says that, not Jesus. Jesus never baptized anyone with water.

No doubt, and as most who teach baptism will twist the scriptures to validate their erroneous views.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Now anyone who cares to see the nonsense of that statement can read Titus 3:5 where neither water nor baptism are mentioned.

It also says absolutely nothing about unbaptized believers, the topic.

Amen and I agree....it seems par for the course when it comes to water(ites) and the heretical view propagated by baptismal regeneration(alists)...kind of like Campbell(ites)......Chubby Checker doctrine....come on baby....lets do the twist...come on baby lets do the twist HAHAHHAH

 

[posthuman]

Now anyone who cares to see the nonsense of that statement can read Titus 3:5 where neither water nor baptism are mentioned.

It also says absolutely nothing about unbaptized believers, the topic.

the verse specifically and clearly says washing and regeneration by the Holy Spirit! not water!

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(Titus 3:4-7)


justified by His grace!!
saved not by our righteous works but by His mercy!!

folks, this is the gospel we have received - that Christ saves us, because we are completely incapable of commending ourselves to God by anything that we do!! we need a Savior and praise God, we have one!

how then can we say that anything saves except the mercy of God Himself as demonstrated and given to us by Jesus Christ !?!

 

[Atwood]

---Cornelius was water baptized and it was this baptism that was commanded (therefore essential to salvation)

SeaBass has a habit of posting words like "so" and "therefore" when he has presented no cogent inference. To say that because something is commanded it is essential to salvation, is nonsense.

and had to do with Cornelius salvation in remitting his sins per Acts 2:38

Cornelius is not in Acts 2. And neither is water in Acts 2:38. "in remitting" does not occur in Acts 2:38.

Moreover, Cornelius is not an example of unbaptized Believers. Moreover, there are no unbaptized believers discussed in Acts 2.

Cornelius could not be saved until he "worked righteousness" Acts 10:35.

Act 10 does not say that. And it is contrary to scripture; salvation is not of works.

Cornelius submitting to God's command to be water baptized is working righteousness.

Another unproven statement by SeaBass.

An unbaptized believer threfore is one who has NOT worked righteousness but is working unrighteousness by rejecting the gospel message, Acts 2:41,44.

Again SeaBass uses the words SO & THEREFORE, where he makes no cogent inference. What Cornelius did is not an example of an unbaptized believer. Acts 2:41, 44 does not prove anything you posted. That is just you, Seabass.

 

[Atwood]

Alligator made a post which doesn't prove a thing about unbaptized believers.

The thief on the cross doesn't prove anything as far as our salvation is concerned. We live under a new covenant since Christ died on the cross. See Heb. 9:16-17. The thief lived under the old law.

Am I mistaken, or do these water-baptizer heretics claim 2 things that are contradictory:

1) The thief on the cross is irrelevant since the way of being saved has changed by dispensation.
2) The teaching in John 3 (before the crucifixion) proves that water baptism saves today
???

First it is an error to postulate different ways of salvation: It has always been by faith/belief as to the human component.

Secondly, John 3 has nothing to do with baptism, which term is absent. But if you argue from that, then you have to stop eliminating the thief on the cross. For if John 3 speaks of how to be saved today, then you have to include data before the death of Christ.

 

[Atwood]

COME ON NOW, DEBATERS:

Quote us a verse about persons who are believers but don't get baptized. Don't dream up things. The persons must be those who trust Christ as Savior (believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, not just believe facts about him) and the verse must say someone is not baptized. No inventions allowed.

If you insist on mentioning demons, you must prove that they trusted Christ as SAvior, and also that they did not get baptized. Now quote us a verse where is says demons didn't get baptized. (Don't they dislike waterless places?)

 

[Alligator]

dude, re-read the text.

John says that, not Jesus. Jesus never baptized anyone with water.

Yes, you are right, I meant to say John. But that doesn't change the point I was making about his misuse of the word BAPTIZO. The conversion of the eunuch is also a clear case of water being specifically mentioned.

 

[SeaBass]

it is obvious you don't understand KAI.....WASHING AND REGENERATION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT water......doesn't say anything about water......You should read Luke 16 and how the rich man begged for water...that is you in picture if you keep trusting into water over blood!

Jn 3:5-------------spirit++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
Tts 3:5------------Holy Spirit+++++++washing of reg.>>>>>>saved

The bible makes it too clear to me that "washing of regeneration" is water baptism.

 

[Alligator]

The thief on the cross doesn't prove anything as far as our salvation is concerned. We live under a new covenant since Christ died on the cross. See Heb. 9:16-17. The thief lived under the old law.

This view rejects the obvious truth of the following...

The law and the prophets were UNTIL JOHN......and SINCE THAT TIME THE KINGDOM OF GOD has been preached!

Do you understand why John was preaching about the up coming kingdom? The verse below tells us. It was to prepare the people for Christ. The verse you quoted has nothing to do with disqualifying what the Hebrew writer said in Hb. 9:16-17. It Doesn't say anything about the old law ending. The new law took effect after Christs' death and when the kingdom came on Pentecost.


Luke 1:17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

 

[SeaBass]

The thread topic is what happens to unbaptized believers, according to scripture. I don't see anything about unbaptized believers in the latest Seabass post.



More nonsense, SeaBass.

All good works are works of merit.
All works of merit are good works.
All good works are done in obedience to the Lord.
All works of obedience are good works are works of merit.

Refrain from inventing categories to confuse the truth.

For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves,
not of works lest anyone should boast.

And it is noted that you have not presented any Bible verse where it says a believer did not get water-baptized and then was going to go to hell or be condemned. It is interesting how Mark 16 left out the fate of the unbaptized (even though there is no water in Mark 16).


What happens to the unbaptized believers? is the topic.

I quoted Acts 10:35 and 1 Jn 3:10 and you can only call these verses non-sense.

1) Acts 10:35 Cornelius had to work righteousness to be accepted with God.

2) Pas 119:172 all God's commandments are righteousness

3) therefore God's commandment that Cornelius be water baptized is righteousness so Cornelius would be working God's righteousness when he submitted to water baptism.

4) the "belief with no baptism" is NOT doing God's righteousness and he that doth NOT righteousness is NOT of God, 1 Jn 3:10.

5) I see you are still laboring under the fallacy that any work automatically means one is trying to earn some thing. Was Naaman trying to earn his healing by working in dipping in the river? Hardly.

 

[SeaBass]

Now anyone who cares to see the nonsense of that statement can read Titus 3:5 where neither water nor baptism are mentioned.

It also says absolutely nothing about unbaptized believers, the topic.

Jn 3:5-------------spirit++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
Tts 3:5------------Holy Spirit+++++++washing of reg.>>>>>>saved

I easily see water baptism in Tts 3:5. Those that have closed their eyes cannot for they do not want to see it.

 

[SeaBass]

SeaBass has a habit of posting words like "so" and "therefore" when he has presented no cogent inference. To say that because something is commanded it is essential to salvation, is nonsense.



Cornelius is not in Acts 2. And neither is water in Acts 2:38. "in remitting" does not occur in Acts 2:38.

Moreover, Cornelius is not an example of unbaptized Believers. Moreover, there are no unbaptized believers discussed in Acts 2.


Act 10 does not say that. And it is contrary to scripture; salvation is not of works.



Another unproven statement by SeaBass.



Again SeaBass uses the words SO & THEREFORE, where he makes no cogent inference. What Cornelius did is not an example of an unbaptized believer. Acts 2:41, 44 does not prove anything you posted. That is just you, Seabass.

....I can also easily see how you are struggling with Acts 2:41,44. You are having a hard time trying to figure out away to get one to accept the gospel word without being baptized.

 

[SeaBass]

COME ON NOW, DEBATERS:

Quote us a verse about persons who are believers but don't get baptized. Don't dream up things. The persons must be those who trust Christ as Savior (believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, not just believe facts about him) and the verse must say someone is not baptized. No inventions allowed.

If you insist on mentioning demons, you must prove that they trusted Christ as SAvior, and also that they did not get baptized. Now quote us a verse where is says demons didn't get baptized. (Don't they dislike waterless places?)

Mk 16:16 makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the unbaptized believer to be saved.

 

[Alligator]

Amen and I agree....it seems par for the course when it comes to water(ites) and the heretical view propagated by baptismal regeneration(alists)...kind of like Campbell(ites)......Chubby Checker doctrine....come on baby....lets do the twist...come on baby lets do the twist HAHAHHAH

if you only knew the scriptures as well as you know Chubby Checker's music you wouldn't be making some of these statements.