What Happens to an UNBAPTIZED believer?
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Acts 8:38Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Matthew 3:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with
And so you just continue to ignore what the bible says? In both of the verses above WATER is specifically mentioned. Guess what the word is BAPTIZO. Your claim, once again is false.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Matthew 3:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with
And so you just continue to ignore what the bible says? In both of the verses above WATER is specifically mentioned. Guess what the word is BAPTIZO. Your claim, once again is false.
No ref to baptism.
The physical birth is a birth from water in the womb.
The Holy Spirit produces a new birth.
Do you agree with the guy who ruled out the Thief on the Cross as significant on the grounds that the Thief's salvation occured before the change in dispensation, and that after the cross the way to be saved changed? If you do, then you should not quote John 3:5 on salvation.
The physical birth is a birth from water in the womb.
The Holy Spirit produces a new birth.
Do you agree with the guy who ruled out the Thief on the Cross as significant on the grounds that the Thief's salvation occured before the change in dispensation, and that after the cross the way to be saved changed? If you do, then you should not quote John 3:5 on salvation.
The thread is supposed to answer what happens to an unbaptized believer. The following post is off subject, as neither PHilip nor the Eunuch are believers who didn't get baptized.
You ignore what the Bible says,
Believe on the Lord Jesus, & you shall be saved.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Of course there exists such a thing as water baptism, but it never saves anyone.
Now I challenge you to find scripture to show what happens to an unbaptized believer.
And BTW, are you claiming John 3 for baptism as a means of salvation, while at the same time claiming that the Thief on the Cross is irrelevant because he got saved before the alleged change of dispensation? So if you claim their was a different way to be saved during Christ's ministry on earth, you can't go claiming John 3 (which has no baptism in it anyway)
You ignore what the Bible says,
Believe on the Lord Jesus, & you shall be saved.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Of course there exists such a thing as water baptism, but it never saves anyone.
Now I challenge you to find scripture to show what happens to an unbaptized believer.
And BTW, are you claiming John 3 for baptism as a means of salvation, while at the same time claiming that the Thief on the Cross is irrelevant because he got saved before the alleged change of dispensation? So if you claim their was a different way to be saved during Christ's ministry on earth, you can't go claiming John 3 (which has no baptism in it anyway)
Now let's see you prove that one. Where did he say strive to be perfect, as opposed to commanding perfection? The word strive doesn't occur there.
And you are going on irrelevant vs a straw man. Whoever claimed Christ was not to be obeyed? But you don't obey, Kenneth, so whatever will you do?
It is not obeying all the commandments of Christ that save, it is trusting Him to save your wretched sinful hide, a disobedient hide -- like mine!
Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Where does "strive" appear? Where is any slack cut?
And you are going on irrelevant vs a straw man. Whoever claimed Christ was not to be obeyed? But you don't obey, Kenneth, so whatever will you do?
It is not obeying all the commandments of Christ that save, it is trusting Him to save your wretched sinful hide, a disobedient hide -- like mine!
Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Where does "strive" appear? Where is any slack cut?
K
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Atwood you still don't realize that believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior means to do as He said to.
If you do not do what He says then He is not truly your Lord.
Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Obeying means working, NewB. Wrong contrast. But you are correct that God does the working in salvation.
Without hands; hands are involved in water baptism.
When a man trusts Christ as Savior, He is put into the Body of Christ; this is Spirit Baptism. Once a man is united to Christ, all that happened to Christ is attributed as happening to him. Christ's cross circumcision was putting of the body of flesh (Father, into your hand I commend My spirit -- he put off his body temporarily). That cross circumcision, not made with hands, is communicated to the believer when the believer is Spirit baptized. By means of the believer's union with Christ, the believer has been crucified with Christ, raised with Christ, and seated in Heaven in Christ.
This is a glorious truth having nothing to do with water baptism, NewB.
To get in on it, trust Christ as Savior now!
Without hands; hands are involved in water baptism.
When a man trusts Christ as Savior, He is put into the Body of Christ; this is Spirit Baptism. Once a man is united to Christ, all that happened to Christ is attributed as happening to him. Christ's cross circumcision was putting of the body of flesh (Father, into your hand I commend My spirit -- he put off his body temporarily). That cross circumcision, not made with hands, is communicated to the believer when the believer is Spirit baptized. By means of the believer's union with Christ, the believer has been crucified with Christ, raised with Christ, and seated in Heaven in Christ.
This is a glorious truth having nothing to do with water baptism, NewB.
To get in on it, trust Christ as Savior now!
K
Not Helpful [h=3]2 Peter 1:5-8[/h] For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Philippians 3:12-15
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Philippians 3:12-15
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.
We still wait for anyone to quote scripture on what happens to an unbaptized believer; that is,
a man who trusts Christ as Savior and dies before baptized.
It is easy to find, "he that disbelieveth shall be condemned."
But where do you find, "He who is unbaptized shall be condemned."
How about giving up & admitting that such a verse is not in scripture.
a man who trusts Christ as Savior and dies before baptized.
It is easy to find, "he that disbelieveth shall be condemned."
But where do you find, "He who is unbaptized shall be condemned."
How about giving up & admitting that such a verse is not in scripture.
I did have a little hard time understanding what you were talking about . Ones thoughts of belief may differ from the next. Let me Ask you how many types of baptism do you know of? And which one are you referring to?
To get in heaven you must be Baptize with the name of the son father and holy spirit emerge in water, full body, that's called born again because the spirit must bare witness of you being born again in baptism so when you are resurrected you can be born of spirit.
But again what baptism are you referring to?
To get in heaven you must be Baptize with the name of the son father and holy spirit emerge in water, full body, that's called born again because the spirit must bare witness of you being born again in baptism so when you are resurrected you can be born of spirit.
But again what baptism are you referring to?
exactly!
we've all been born of the flesh. our mothers water broke and there we were.
unless we're born again, we cannot see the kingdom of God.
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
(John 3:6)
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(1 Corinthians 2:11-13)
we've all been born of the flesh. our mothers water broke and there we were.
unless we're born again, we cannot see the kingdom of God.
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
(John 3:6)
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(1 Corinthians 2:11-13)
