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eternally-gratefull

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ZEEK said:
So where is the physical King on the physical throne of Israel the past 2000 years?
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ever read lev 26?

Try reading the whole of the word.

Israel is in sin, God promised, If she continued in sin, He would have a foreign enemy destroy her land city and temple. Would scatter her all over the world.

But if she repents. God promised to remember his promise to her fathers.

try reading it.
 
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So what

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 33: 17 For thus saith the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel
 
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Imo Jesus is not seated on the throne yet, although he is king of kings and Lord of lords his enemies are not yet his foot stool.
The millennium as I was taught was for the healing of the earth, to fulfill prophecy as the desert shall become green and lush, water will flow from them the lamb and wolf will lay down together.
Peace for a thousand years then Satan is loosed for a season. Then he and the wicked are cast into the lake of fire forevermore.
 
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[h=3]7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]These are the words of the holy one, the true one,
who has the key of David,[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 Corinthians 15: 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]24 Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after he has destroyed every ruler and every authority and power. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.[/FONT]
 
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Isaiah 66:1 ►
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This is what the LORD says: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?
 
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Revelation 12v9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
ever read lev 26?

Try reading the whole of the word.

Israel is in sin, God promised, If she continued in sin, He would have a foreign enemy destroy her land city and temple. Would scatter her all over the world.

But if she repents. God promised to remember his promise to her fathers.

try reading it.
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but zeek has a point.

Luke 1
Gabriel Foretells Jesus' Birth
…31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”…
 
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eternally-gratefull

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but zeek has a point.

Luke 1
Gabriel Foretells Jesus' Birth
…31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”…
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what point sis? He is not ruling the house of david, He is not even at the moment ruling the world. The world is still in rebellion against him.

Davids throne is in Jerusalem. When this earth is destroyed, it will move to the new Jerusalem.

Jesus is not in either place right now. But we are told (even by the angel when he ascended) as jesus ascended to heaven, he will return the same way.

When he returns, he will rule

 
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Ariel82 said:
Revelation 12v9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down
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Satan is still accusing the brethren in heaven every day. He has yet to be cast out. when he is cast out. All hell will break lose. it will not be a good day for the earth. There will be great tribulation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
what point sis? He is not ruling the house of david, He is not even at the moment ruling the world. The world is still in rebellion against him.

Davids throne is in Jerusalem. When this earth is destroyed, it will move to the new Jerusalem.

Jesus is not in either place right now. But we are told (even by the angel when he ascended) as jesus ascended to heaven, he will return the same way.

When he returns, he will rule
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he's reigning now.

but it's not over.

Hebrews 2
Jesus Like His Brothers
…7You made him a little lower than the angels; You crowned him with glory and honor 8and placed everything under his feet.” When God subjected all things to him, He left nothing outside of his control. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.…

1 Corinthians 15:27
For "God has put everything under His feet." Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.

Matthew 28
17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

and Daniel saw the ascension, where Christ was crowned by God (not men)

Daniel 7:13
"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.

Luke 1:33
and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!"

John 3:31
The One who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. The One who comes from heaven is above all.

John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in His hands.

Acts 10:36
He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

Romans 14:9
For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that He might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
 
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Zechariah 9
8But I will camp around My house because of an army, Because of him who passes by and returns; And no oppressor will pass over them anymore, For now I have seen with My eyes. 9Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey. 10I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim And the horse from Jerusalem; And the bow of war will be cut off. And He will speak peace to the nations; And His dominion will be from sea to sea, And from the River to the ends of the earth.…

Matthew 2:2
asking, "Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews? We saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Matthew 21:5
"Say to the daughter of Zion, 'See, your King comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.'"

Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.

John 12:15
"Do not be afraid, daughter of Zion. See, your King is coming, seated on the colt of a donkey."
 
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I'll be honest, I don't see why this is so difficult to grasp.

I can understand PC why you believe Jesus is at God's throne - I used to think that too.

But actually Jesus is on the throne Of David, as promised.

David's Throne is an eternal throne, and he was always guaranteed to have someone on it.

It is the subject of much prophecy.

So either I am right and Jesus took the throne, (with the 24 Levitical Elders, so also guaranteeing the promise of the Levitical priests), after the fall of Judah in AD 70-73, or one has to show some kind of earthly continuity to the Davidic Line, if one is that way inclined.

I have heard it argued that the British Monarchy are descended from David, etc etc etc.


Personally I believe earthly Israel became heavenly Israel in AD73.
 
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Jesus took the throne of david at the Ascension
 
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ZEEK said:
Personally I believe earthly Israel became heavenly Israel in AD73.
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Earthly Israel never existed in AD73. Israel ceased to exist after the Babylon enslavement and has only become reborn as a nation again in 1948. Most Jews failed to return back to thier lands as God ordered, instead they prefered the life they had come accustomed to under the Babylon rule. God continued the punishment Seven times over minus time served. This ended in the first half of the 20th century, a few years later and Israel is born in a day.
 
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Earthly Israel never existed in AD73. Israel ceased to exist after the Babylon enslavement and has only become reborn as a nation again in 1948. Most Jews failed to return back to thier lands as God ordered, instead they prefered the life they had come accustomed to under the Babylon rule. God continued the punishment Seven times over minus time served. This ended in the first half of the 20th century, a few years later and Israel is born in a day.
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Yes and fluffy toys come to life at night
 
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pottersclay said:
How can you rule over them that rejected you? Think about it.
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Matthew 28
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

the idea is to have them saved.
that's His purpose.

Matthew 5
44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Romans 3
Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,

Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism

Romans 15:9
so that the Gentiles may glorify God for His mercy. As it is written: "Therefore I will praise You among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to Your name."
 
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