What is the bible?
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My friend, you are really going far here. Please be more humble. This is a terrible way you are going. The more you speak on this the more you sound like those men who wanted signs from Jesus to prove he was from God, and whether or not he spoke by God. Perhaps you may find that you have seared your conscience with a hot iron, and perhaps you might just find yourself speaking AGAINST the Spirit of God, which is a terrible irrevocable thing to do. Please Please!!
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Zone you are looking for evidence. You are like the Jews, who were looking for signs and evidence of Christ. People looking for signs and evidence are living outside life. Who lives with Christ is not looking for evidence, as they themselves judge everything and of everyone by Spirit. You're a lying hypocrite. You teach about the kingdom on earth, but you did not even enter it! As was mentioned: many will want to enter and can not!
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we test everything by Spirit and the WORD of God which is written in the Holy Bible and spoken in the hearts of His Children. Since the same Spirit speaks both, they should NOT contradict one another.
Zone, I asked VW a while back about the prophet thing and he said that people called him that but HE never claimed the title, haven't read all the responses so I don't know if he's changed his mind or not...
I thought this thread was about how the Bible is just a book unless you BELIEVE that Jesus is your LORD and SAVIOR and have the HOLY SPIRIT in your heart to help you interpret the words?
Only His children understand and can unveil the Bible and how it relates to their life, to the rest of the world its foolishness to give and bless those who curse you. You need only Jesus to be saved, but reading and understanding God's Holy Words is a little more complicated in that most people want to only read the sections that they like and ignore others. That is why we have companions and brethren to keep us accountable. Of course the Holy Spirit is our only true Teacher and Guide but even in school we had study groups.
sorry I don't understand the contraversy
Zone, I asked VW a while back about the prophet thing and he said that people called him that but HE never claimed the title, haven't read all the responses so I don't know if he's changed his mind or not...
I thought this thread was about how the Bible is just a book unless you BELIEVE that Jesus is your LORD and SAVIOR and have the HOLY SPIRIT in your heart to help you interpret the words?
Only His children understand and can unveil the Bible and how it relates to their life, to the rest of the world its foolishness to give and bless those who curse you. You need only Jesus to be saved, but reading and understanding God's Holy Words is a little more complicated in that most people want to only read the sections that they like and ignore others. That is why we have companions and brethren to keep us accountable. Of course the Holy Spirit is our only true Teacher and Guide but even in school we had study groups.
sorry I don't understand the contraversy
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I've asked the same question, still waiting for a response, articles and some logic to support the opinion...
How does the Holy SPirit work in the lives of people who don't believe in spiritual gifts existing today?
I wonder if anyone can answer the question, but all I get is "Do you own research"
not a very convincing answer.
How does the Holy SPirit work in the lives of people who don't believe in spiritual gifts existing today?
I wonder if anyone can answer the question, but all I get is "Do you own research"
not a very convincing answer.
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Spiritual gifts have not gone away. It is only necessary to come to Christ, that many did not. In the first chapters of the Epistle to the Corinthians we see as the apostle speaks of Christ and only in the later chapters on the gifts. Gifts of the Spirit, like fruits follow Christ. The Holy Spirit Himself manifests and acts the gifts of his good pleasure. However, there are fakes and there are many.
every truly sealed believer KNOWS what both those things mean because they have the Spirit.
1) hearing His Voice: by the Spirit through the Scripture and as personal Comforter, Teacher, Guide and Conscience.
2) the first resurrection: when we believe!
do we need a "prophet" (there are none today) who is his own scribe (there are none today), has penned 6 times more extra biblical revelation apparently "for the church" (there is none today) than is contained in Holy Scripture, to tell us we DO NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE TWO THINGS MEAN?
1) hearing His Voice: by the Spirit through the Scripture and as personal Comforter, Teacher, Guide and Conscience.
2) the first resurrection: when we believe!
do we need a "prophet" (there are none today) who is his own scribe (there are none today), has penned 6 times more extra biblical revelation apparently "for the church" (there is none today) than is contained in Holy Scripture, to tell us we DO NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE TWO THINGS MEAN?
sorry Ramon:
you have it backwards, and you are doing what these NAR guys want: to have these self-proclaimed prophets elevated beyond testing and and even reproach through fear of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (which has NOTHING to do with testing "prophets").
VW is not Jesus....i am not testing Jesus Christ i am testing a man claiming to have Jesus speaking directly through him to the church (actually i'm done testing).
i do not need a prophet to speak for Jesus, since the ones He chose have accomplished their mission....anyone telling people they are not saved because they love The Lord and by the work of the Spirit IN THEM, love the scriptures AND all the teachings and doctrines in the Scriptures is not speaking for God.
VW:
you know very well that i was alongside you all the way. through thick and thin, though kerfuzzled by your odd division of the GodHead, your position towards others love for the scriptures.
until i saw both your "prophecy", the "word" DIRECTLY from the Lord through you, against the church.
i was shocked and heartbroken, but still held out hope that this was confusion on your part.
until: i saw your highly developed position on your "office/gift" within the NAR.
i reject the NAR in all forms.
i choose the prophets Jesus chose: they are in Holy Scripture and their words are from The Lord, and are completely sufficient for me.
you know very well that i was alongside you all the way. through thick and thin, though kerfuzzled by your odd division of the GodHead, your position towards others love for the scriptures.
until i saw both your "prophecy", the "word" DIRECTLY from the Lord through you, against the church.
i was shocked and heartbroken, but still held out hope that this was confusion on your part.
until: i saw your highly developed position on your "office/gift" within the NAR.
i reject the NAR in all forms.
i choose the prophets Jesus chose: they are in Holy Scripture and their words are from The Lord, and are completely sufficient for me.
I don't know NAR. I am not affiliated with any group, and I am only a member of Christ's body.
I really don't know what you are talking about.
I will say this, not all who say that they are of the church are actually of the church. And many who believe are in danger of falling, (something you have said many times, but concerning the belief in the rapture.)
But you have gone off on this tangent, and I have been mystified by this. I always was concerned by some of the stances you have taken, but trusted the Spirit to work in you for His own will. But this attack on me personally, well, I am mystified.
Doesn't matter, you have not chosen me for an enemy. I certainly do not consider you one.
I really don't know what you are talking about.
I will say this, not all who say that they are of the church are actually of the church. And many who believe are in danger of falling, (something you have said many times, but concerning the belief in the rapture.)
But you have gone off on this tangent, and I have been mystified by this. I always was concerned by some of the stances you have taken, but trusted the Spirit to work in you for His own will. But this attack on me personally, well, I am mystified.
Doesn't matter, you have not chosen me for an enemy. I certainly do not consider you one.