What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

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VCO

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Nope. No fail. It is the truth.

The Roman Catholic church and the Papacy is the only one that fits all the descriptions as given in Revelation 17:4-9

And that concept comes right out of a comic book. Did you grow up reading Chick Tracts? Jack Chick is a Cult Leader who specializes in stirring up dissension among the brethren. I had more arguments start in the Chapel in Prison over those Chick comic books, almost to the post of fists flying, when I was the Volunteer Chaplain, than any other reason BY FAR. I saw the evil and hatred those tracts produced, and buried them in back corner of the supply room. Any so-called Christian Tracts that PRODUCE arguments among Christians most CERTAINLY ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVIL. Jesus Christ walks aroung seven Candlesticks that represent seven types of Churches, WHO ARE WE TO RECOGNIZE LESS.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

Now if you really want to KNOW what the seven mountains represent, you need to do a study on biblical symbolism. Mountains can be symbolism for Kingdoms or nations AND SO ARE HORNS, AND HEADS.

Revelation 17:7 (NKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

AND in Dan. 7:7-8, which also prophecies the beast with 10 horns which symbolize nations or kingdoms, and Daniel tells us that specifically 3 of those horns will be torn up by their roots. What does that mean? For those of us who are not too young, we have seen it happen in our lifetime. East Germany was torn up by it's roots, as if it NEVER existed. NOW if three of the ten are torn up, HOW MANY MOUNTAINS OR HORNS OR HEADS ARE LEFT? See this is a prophecy about a 10 nation confederacy that three of the smaller nations merge with other nations, most likely so that their political leaders have equal voting rights with the larger nations. AND the Confederacy will turn on a once favored Nation, symbolized by the harlot Mystery Babylon. DON'T YOU KNOW that the Statue of Liberty was modeled after a Babylonian Goddess?

The European Union and other nations are abandoning the U.S. Dollar's role as the global reserve currency of choice. Which means for several decades other countries had to convert their currency to US Dollars to buy oil. Now with our dollar's value on very shaky ground, nations who were once our allies are learning to hate the USA. We are symbolized by a GIANT Babylonian Goddess Statue in New York City's harbor, the WATERS where she sits; AND Ellis Island was the Melting Pot of many languages.

Revelation 17:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Now what will make New York City "desolate, with the flesh of the inabitants devoured, and the City burned with fire?

SO NO, the Roman Catholic church and the Papacy are FAR from the only explanation that fits the discription, IN FACT it is VERY FAR from best explanation. The Prophecy is about SEVEN MOUNTAINS, not about seven hills. AND YES, I know there are currently more than 10 nations involved in the European Union; but NOT EVERY NATION will agree to hand over the reigns of Power to a Dictator, and so some will pull out of the European Union first. Thus Under the Antichrist's rule it will start with 10 nations and thee will merge with other nations, like East Germany merged with West Germany; and then there will be SEVEN.
 
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zone

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Wrong. It will take place after the Rapture of the Body of Christ.

No it is not. It has not even begun. It cannot begin until we (the body of Christ) is taken off of the earth (2 Thess. 2:7).
hahahaha.
oh MY....your removal of the church from the earth is NON-EXISTENT in scripture.
everytime somebody teaches this, i know for certain they're NOT getting their theology and eschatology from the Bible.
claim you are...claim you do - i know you DON'T.

wring your hands and jump up and down and say you're rightly dividing ...blah blah.

you're getting it from JUNK sources.

this rapture nonsense is childish...and evil.
adding to the word of God. injecting some scenario not even ever mentioned or hinted at in scripture.

but Scofield and dispensationalism is an addiction.
there's nothing addicts won't do for their fix.
 
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Laodicea

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Daniel 9:4-5 KJV
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
(5) We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

These verses show that God kept the covenant while Israel did not, the context of Daniel 9 shows that God has been faithful to the covenant while Israel were not. It also shows that Christ would come and keep the covenant.

Paul understood about the covenant
Galatians 3:16-17
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
 

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hahahaha.
oh MY....your removal of the church from the earth is NON-EXISTENT in scripture.
everytime somebody teaches this, i know for certain they're NOT getting their theology and eschatology from the Bible.
claim you are...claim you do - i know you DON'T.

wring your hands and jump up and down and say you're rightly dividing ...blah blah.

you're getting it from JUNK sources.

this rapture nonsense is childish...and evil.
adding to the word of God. injecting some scenario not even ever mentioned or hinted at in scripture.

but Scofield and dispensationalism is an addiction.
there's nothing addicts won't do for their fix.
zone,
since you do not believed in rapture, can you share how you understand this verse;

[1Th 4:17] KJV Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


What will happen to those who are alive?
 

zone

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zone,
since you do not believed in rapture, can you share how you understand this verse;

[1Th 4:17] KJV Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


What will happen to those who are alive?
it's PRETRIBULATION rapture i don't believe in.
 

VCO

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prove it from Scripture:)
2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE FIRST TWO TEMPLES.
 

VCO

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it's PRETRIBULATION rapture i don't believe in.
You do not have to go with us, if you so choose. But know that only those who are READY and Watching for the BRIDEGROOM to come, will get to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. While you and others like you, will go thru the Tribulation. Are you prepared to refuse the mark of the beast, (probably an injected RFID microchip as small as a grian of salt); at all costs, even if that cost is watching them put your daughter on the guillotine? Will you still refuse that mark, even then?

Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 20:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

ATTN: EVERYONE on this THREAD!

I have heard a lot of theories about what is the object that the Antichrist places in the Temple of GOD, that is an Abomination that will cause Desolation; in the Temple of GOD. The Bible does not tell us specifically what it is, but that it will be obvious that it does not belong there. Has anyone besides me, ever thought that it very well could be the first guillotine erected to behead those who refuse to bow to Antichrist and take his mark?

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.

Revelation 19:19-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
 
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Laodicea

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2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE FIRST TWO TEMPLES.
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

According to this the temple is the church. So the you quoted means someone will sit in the church as a wolf in sheep's clothing and by his actions claiming to be God.

What was literal in the OT is spiritual in the NT.Examples
Babylon-Literal in OT spiritual in the NT
Israel-
Literal in OT spiritual in the NT
10 Commandments written on stone now written on our heart.

I could give more examples
 
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Laodicea

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Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.
Matthew 24:15 KJV
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Now let us look at other verses on the same verse to find out what the abomination of desolation is:-
Mark 13:14 KJV(14) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Luke 21:20-22 KJV
(20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
(21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
(22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

It is talking about what happened in 70AD
 

VCO

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hahahaha.
oh MY....your removal of the church from the earth is NON-EXISTENT in scripture.
everytime somebody teaches this, i know for certain they're NOT getting their theology and eschatology from the Bible.
claim you are...claim you do - i know you DON'T.

wring your hands and jump up and down and say you're rightly dividing ...blah blah.

you're getting it from JUNK sources.

this rapture nonsense is childish...and evil.
adding to the word of God. injecting some scenario not even ever mentioned or hinted at in scripture.

but Scofield and dispensationalism is an addiction.
there's nothing addicts won't do for their fix.
I get every one my doctrinal positions from the Bible, including this one:

2 Peter 3:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."
 

VCO

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Matthew 24:15 KJV
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Now let us look at other verses on the same verse to find out what the abomination of desolation is:-
Mark 13:14 KJV(14) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Luke 21:20-22 KJV
(20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
(21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
(22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

It is talking about what happened in 70AD
Better re-read those last three verses, and then read this portion of Scripture that is talking about the EXACT SAME EVENT, specifically the END OF THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION.

Zechariah 14:1-7 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there shall be no light, cold, or frost.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And there shall be a unique day, which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but at evening time there shall be light.

That is how you let Scripture interpret Scripture.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Daniel 9:4-5 KJV
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
(5) We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

These verses show that God kept the covenant while Israel did not, the context of Daniel 9 shows that God has been faithful to the covenant while Israel were not. It also shows that Christ would come and keep the covenant.


Keep what covenant? The covenant Daniel spoke of was already in effect. The reason they were in babylon was because of sin. Jeremiah said they would be for 70 years. The 70 years were up. And Daniel was praying for God to remember the covenant, and keep his promise. He did, By allowing them to return.

This has nothing to do with the abrahamic covenant Christ came to fulfill (in you shall all the nations be blessed)


Paul understood about the covenant
Galatians 3:16-17
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Again, this is not the land covenant. That was never to all. This concerns the one covenant in CHrist (all nations) they are two covenants. Not one. You have the wrong covenant.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

According to this the temple is the church. So the you quoted means someone will sit in the church as a wolf in sheep's clothing and by his actions claiming to be God.

What was literal in the OT is spiritual in the NT.Examples
Babylon-Literal in OT spiritual in the NT
Israel-
Literal in OT spiritual in the NT
10 Commandments written on stone now written on our heart.

I could give more examples
lol.. Wrong temple.

The temple is the church yes. Because we no longer have to go to the temple.

But this man will put himself in a temple. and declare himself to be God. (this is somethign which literally happens. Called specific prophesy. NOT symbolic

Two different temples..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 24:15 KJV
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Now let us look at other verses on the same verse to find out what the abomination of desolation is:-
Mark 13:14 KJV(14) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Luke 21:20-22 KJV
(20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
(21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
(22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

It is talking about what happened in 70AD

An Abomination which makes desolate is ONLY an abomination which makes a holy place desolate. It means an unclean thing is placed in a holy place making it unclean.

It is not an army surrounding the city.

And this did not happen in ad 70 either way.

There was no abomination.

No jew could have fleed to escape capture in ad 70. they were literally throne out. Jesus is talking about rev, When it says the woman flees and is protected by God,.

try to put prophesy together. And learn what terms mean.
 
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To Zone, I agree with you,LOL ,that the Rapture is not before the FALSE "despensationalists" Tribulation, which is the 70th of Daniel, yet future, I know you disagree with me on the future 70th wk, but, the rapture is "after the tribulation" of
Mt. 24:29; the Church's tribulation of 2,000 yrs, The rapture is in the middle ot the 70th wk of Daniel, the (end time ) "the last day", "that day", which is 1,000 yrs long, a prophetic "day".. SOOOO , I agree with you,LOL,( the only thing we agree on, not really, thank God!)LOL, BUT, I repeat, we agree, We believe ,we are in "the tribulation" NOW.. John ,writter of Rev., said he was in "the tribulation and kingdom" Rev.1:9 . Therefore, the whole N.T. agrees with US.! LOL. So, I believe, "after the tri." Jesus will rapture us up to Heaven, and will KEEP tring to get you to believe in the RAPTURE.LOL! Good luck uh. Hay, even hard heads like you and me, can be cracked. LOL Love in Christ, Hoffco, Doug Please read 2 thess .1:6-2:10 It is the key to understanding the Rapture.
 
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Laodicea

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An Abomination which makes desolate is ONLY an abomination which makes a holy place desolate. It means an unclean thing is placed in a holy place making it unclean.

It is not an army surrounding the city.

And this did not happen in ad 70 either way.

There was no abomination.

No jew could have fleed to escape capture in ad 70. they were literally throne out. Jesus is talking about rev, When it says the woman flees and is protected by God,.

try to put prophesy together. And learn what terms mean.
I agree that Roman armies is not the AOD but they put their banners in the temple and that was a sign the destruction was near as Jesus said.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree that Roman armies is not the AOD but they put their banners in the temple and that was a sign the destruction was near as Jesus said.

God did not consider a roman banner unclean.

An unclean thing. A pig was an unclean thing, it was sacrificed in the inner sanctum by antiochus.

When you see the thing standing (occupying the place) in the most holy place.

As for what Daniel was told vs what Jesus said.

1. Jesus did not say destruction was near. He said great tribulation would occure. He also said the tribulation would be worldwide, Not set in one city. For he said plainly, if he did not return, no life would be spared.
2. Daniel. He was told the city would be destroyed, LONG before the abomination would take place. Your time line is off.