What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

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zone

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I agree that Roman armies is not the AOD but they put their banners in the temple and that was a sign the destruction was near as Jesus said.
Herod adorned the temple with roman eagles, also.
pimped out to the romans.

not to mention they were using Tyre's coins in the temple.
 
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According to mosaic law. An unclean hig priest who entered the Holy of Holies would DIE in place. they had to tie a rope to them in case they had to pull a body out.

so can all you amills tell me how all these unclean priests entered the Holy of Holies after the return from babylon and did not die? How they went in with their abominations and did not die?

What was different between this temple. and the first one? where high priest died alot when they entered?
 

zone

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According to mosaic law. An unclean hig priest who entered the Holy of Holies would DIE in place. they had to tie a rope to them in case they had to pull a body out.

so can all you amills tell me how all these unclean priests entered the Holy of Holies after the return from babylon and did not die? How they went in with their abominations and did not die?

What was different between this temple. and the first one? where high priest died alot when they entered?
read Josephus
 
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Why? Can't someone just answer it? From scripture?


Was God in the inner sanctum every year after the return from exhile or was he not?
 

zone

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Why? Can't someone just answer it? From scripture?


Was God in the inner sanctum every year after the return from exhile or was he not?
read all of Daniel.
carefully.
match it with history.

it has been posted...from scripture.
you just don't believe it bud:)
 

watcher2013

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I would suggest you study scripture. Before you make rude comments.

The temple was there in the time of zeck 14. We know it because of others points of scripture.

Just because you do not see it does not make it not so.
Is it rude to suggest to read first before you make your comments?

You commented on the post relating to zech 14, but it seems you really do not know, what you are saying.

For the city to be taken away and the houses plundered and yet no prophecy about the temple:

When the babylonian burned Jerusalem they burned the houses, and the temple. 2ch36:19, because it was there.

Why was the temple not in the first part of zech 14? And why in the latter part (v20) we can see the house of the Lord

It is because; [1Ch 22:10] KJV He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
 
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Is it rude to suggest to read first before you make your comments?

You commented on the post relating to zech 14, but it seems you really do not know, what you are saying.

For the city to be taken away and the houses plundered and yet no prophecy about the temple:
And as I said (but you did not listen) that does not mean the temple was not there.

Acording to other aspects of scripture. The people (women) left the city, and is protected by God. When did they depart the city? when the abomination of desolation occures.. How can their be an obomination if there was no temple?


When the babylonian burned Jerusalem they burned the houses, and the temple. 2ch36:19, because it was there.

Why was the temple not in the first part of zech 14? And why in the latter part (v20) we can see the house of the Lord

It is because; [1Ch 22:10] KJV He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
Again your making an assumption the temple was not there. Other aspects of scripture shows you plainly it is.

And this can not be ad 70. Because there was no remnant left. In all of judea. they were taken out completely within a few years.
 

watcher2013

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no. ez 44 shows that Isreal let strangers and unclean people in the sanctuary. The sancuary is not only the holy of holies, it is the whole inner temple. Isreal were letting them in all the time.

Only the levites were aloud in there, A non levite child of Isreal would have been unclean and defile the sancuary as far as this is concerned. And the passage states this

only the high priest was alowed to enter the most holy place. and only once a year.


another question?
Are the Roman army from the tribe of levi?

Did they not stand in the sanctuary and pollute it?

Did they not entered the holy of holies, when they looted it?
 

zone

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And this can not be ad 70. Because there was no remnant left. In all of judea. they were taken out completely within a few years.
Joel 2:32
And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

Romans 9:27
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

Romans 11:5
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
 
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read all of Daniel.
carefully.
match it with history.

it has been posted...from scripture.
you just don't believe it bud:)
You still did not answer the question.

How can I even start to believe someone when they will not even answer the basic question?

And I have read all of daniel. And I have answered it.. Alot is yet to come.. The world will see things never seen before. Even come to the point of wiping out ALL life on earth. But As Christ said, we have nothing to fear. He will return before this happens.
 
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God did not consider a roman banner unclean.

An unclean thing. A pig was an unclean thing, it was sacrificed in the inner sanctum by antiochus.

When you see the thing standing (occupying the place) in the most holy place.

As for what Daniel was told vs what Jesus said.

1. Jesus did not say destruction was near. He said great tribulation would occure. He also said the tribulation would be worldwide, Not set in one city. For he said plainly, if he did not return, no life would be spared.
2. Daniel. He was told the city would be destroyed, LONG before the abomination would take place. Your time line is off.
1 Kings 11:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

According to this idolatry is abomination. The Romans put their gods in the temple. Jesus said
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Matthew 24:15-16
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[/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Since idols is abomination then it could also read "When ye see the idols of the desolator in the holy place". It was a sign to flee Jerusalem and in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD not one christian lost their life because they followed Jesus instruction in this verse. Desolate in Daniel 9:27 can also be translated as desolator.
 
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Romans 9:27
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

Yep. they will and have been saved since then.

but that is not what the passage in question says, it says they will be saved in the land.. And while they are there, God will punish the nations who come up against her. When did this happen?

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
 
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1 Kings 11:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

According to this idolatry is abomination. The Romans put their gods in the temple. Jesus said
[SUP]
Matthew 24:15-16
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[/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Since idols is abomination then it could also read "When ye see the idols of the desolator in the holy place". It was a sign to flee Jerusalem and in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD not one christian lost their life because they followed Jesus instruction in this verse. Desolate in Daniel 9:27 can also be translated as desolator.
Um No.

It says their will be great tribulation. Followed by the return of Christ.

It does not say the temple will be destroyed. That is only one of the events Jesus spoke of.

The disciples asked, when will these things be (the destruction) and what will be the sign of the end of the age and his comming.

70 ad was the first event.

the birth pains are the events which followed.

then comes the abomination. the event to mark the begining of the signs of the end of the age, and the return of Christ.

The great tribulation, immediately followed by his return. or else all flesh would die.

your timeline is again WAY OFF!!




If the temple is destroyed, the abominbation means NOTHING.

all the people of Israel in 70 AD did not see the abomination in the Holy Place. they could not see i, it would be impossible. even the people of antiochus could not see what he did. . Jesus said THEY WILL SEE IT.. How?? Well of course we know today how they could see it..
 

zone

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You still did not answer the question.

How can I even start to believe someone when they will not even answer the basic question?

And I have read all of daniel. And I have answered it.. Alot is yet to come.. The world will see things never seen before. Even come to the point of wiping out ALL life on earth. But As Christ said, we have nothing to fear. He will return before this happens.
the question has been answered. you disagree:)


i'll post on it tomorrow...Lord willing.
and you'll consider it, Lord willing.

bedtime now.

 
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another question?
Are the Roman army from the tribe of levi?

Did they not stand in the sanctuary and pollute it?

Did they not entered the holy of holies, when they looted it?


Did Israel bring them in??


ez 44: [SUP]7 [/SUP]When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to defile it—My house—and when you offered My food, the fat and the blood, then they broke My covenant because of all your abominations.

This did not happen in 70 AD! Come on people..

 
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the question has been answered. you disagree:)


i'll post on it tomorrow...Lord willing.
and you'll consider it, Lord willing.

bedtime now.

lol. Ok.

Just because you think you answered it does not mean you did.

why are you afraid to answer the fact that the temple from the time of return from exhile was meaningless. And God knew Israel would not repent and continue in sin and her abominations, yet STILL LET ThEM REBUILD IT?


Either way/.

Nite sis, Sweet dreams!!
 

VCO

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Can you see a temple from the scriptures you provided?

From verse 2 ; They have taken the city, the houses plundered...

What happen to the temple???

Don't you think they would not plundered the temple if it was there?

Read Revelation for yourself. Starting in Revelation 4:1 the Church is NO LONGER ON EARTH. In fact our 24 Elders are on their Thrones in Heaven. The Third Temple is built, and 3 and 1/2 years into his peaceful reign, Antichrist STOPS the temple worship and takes a seat or throne in the TEMPLE demanding to be worshipped as GOD, 2 Thes. 2:4, beheading all who refuse.
 
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VCO

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1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

According to this the temple is the church. So the you quoted means someone will sit in the church as a wolf in sheep's clothing and by his actions claiming to be God.

What was literal in the OT is spiritual in the NT.Examples
Babylon-Literal in OT spiritual in the NT
Israel-
Literal in OT spiritual in the NT
10 Commandments written on stone now written on our heart.

I could give more examples
Good grief, are there so many that refuse to recognize the difference between Spiritual Truths and Physical Prophecies that will be fulfilled. So many that refuse to admit, that GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL, AND WE ARE NOT SPIRITUAL ISRAELITES.

The spiritual Truth of GETTING DOWN off the throne of our hearts and GIVING THAT SPIRITUAL THRONE TO JESUS CHRIST, makes our bodies a Temple of GOD. THAT IS TRUE. BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the Physical Prophecy of the Third Temple:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB)
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE FIRST TWO TEMPLES.

SEE IT, the Antichrist will be displaying himself not out of site in the hearts of people.

The man of sin has been given an intriguing variety of identifications down through the years. . . .
2 Thes. 2:4 He will violently oppose every form of divine worship and will enthrone himself in the temple of God in Jerusalem. This description clearly identifies him as Antichrist, the one who is opposed to Christ and who sets himself up in the place of Christ.
Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15 show that this blasphemous action of the Antichrist takes place in the middle of the Tribulation Period. Those who refuse to worship him will be persecuted and many will be martyred.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.
 
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VCO

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i do not know if you really understand what Paul said in 1thes4
[1Th 4:16] KJV For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

are you not comforted?

The DEAD in CHRIST shall rise FIRST.

Whether you died by beheading, by burning, by chopping,or whatever kind of the worst torture you can think of.

The DEAD in Christ SHALL rise again.

Comforting words by Paul.
Come Day ONE of the Christ's Thousand Year reign in Jerusalem, from the THRONE OF DAVID, there will be Three groups of resurrected saints. The Church-Age saints, the Old Testament saints, and the Tribulation saints. The Tribulation believer's are not part of the Bride of Christ, in fact in heaven the Church Elders did not recognize them when they first arrived spiritually Under the Altar. YES their position in heaven, will be reigning with Him a priests, but not as part of the BRIDE. What position do the Old Testament saints serve in heaven? I cannot say I remember it saying that specifically in any verse, but I like to think it will be "Family of the Bride". How many unbelievers will be alive on that Day that Christ takes his rightful place on the Throne of DAVID? ZERO!

Revelation 19:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Who then repopulates the Earth during Christ's Thousand year Kingdom. The 144,000 JEWS sealed in their MORTAL BODIES. That is what they were sealed for. SEE, God's Covenant with Israel TRULY IS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
 

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Come Day ONE of the Christ's Thousand Year reign in Jerusalem, from the THRONE OF DAVID, there will be Three groups of resurrected saints. The Church-Age saints, the Old Testament saints, and the Tribulation saints. The Tribulation believer's are not part of the Bride of Christ, in fact in heaven the Church Elders did not recognize them when they first arrived spiritually Under the Altar. YES their position in heaven, will be reigning with Him a priests, but not as part of the BRIDE. What position do the Old Testament saints serve in heaven? I cannot say I remember it saying that specifically in any verse, but I like to think it will be "Family of the Bride". How many unbelievers will be alive on that Day that Christ takes his rightful place on the Throne of DAVID? ZERO!

Revelation 19:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Who then repopulates the Earth during Christ's Thousand year Kingdom. The 144,000 JEWS sealed in their MORTAL BODIES. That is what they were sealed for. SEE, God's Covenant with Israel TRULY IS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
This is utter and complete nonsense. It is not scriptural and is indeed heresy. The 144K are the firstfruits redeemed from man. Dear VCO, I will pray for you as you couldn't be more blinded from the truth if you were blind folded. I don't want to hurt your feelings but serious friend, you are so twisted and turned around that I fear for you.