What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

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watcher2013

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Better re-read those last three verses, and then read this portion of Scripture that is talking about the EXACT SAME EVENT, specifically the END OF THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION.

Zechariah 14:1-7 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there shall be no light, cold, or frost.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And there shall be a unique day, which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but at evening time there shall be light.

That is how you let Scripture interpret Scripture.
Can you see a temple from the scriptures you provided?

From verse 2 ; They have taken the city, the houses plundered...

What happen to the temple???

Don't you think they would not plundered the temple if it was there?
 
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Can you see a temple from the scriptures you provided?

From verse 2 ; They have taken the city, the houses plundered...

What happen to the temple???

Don't you think they would not plundered the temple if it was there?
well, if someone goes into the temple. makes it desolate with an abomination. and declares it HIS temple. and all will worship him as God.

then yes I could easily see it there.

in fact, it appears this is what scripture says will happen.
 

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well, if someone goes into the temple. makes it desolate with an abomination. and declares it HIS temple. and all will worship him as God.

then yes I could easily see it there.

in fact, it appears this is what scripture says will happen.
Where in zech 14 can you find the temple?
 

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You do not have to go with us, if you so choose. But know that only those who are READY and Watching for the BRIDEGROOM to come, will get to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. While you and others like you, will go thru the Tribulation. Are you prepared to refuse the mark of the beast, (probably an injected RFID microchip as small as a grian of salt); at all costs, even if that cost is watching them put your daughter on the guillotine? Will you still refuse that mark, even then?

Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 20:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

ATTN: EVERYONE on this THREAD!

I have heard a lot of theories about what is the object that the Antichrist places in the Temple of GOD, that is an Abomination that will cause Desolation; in the Temple of GOD. The Bible does not tell us specifically what it is, but that it will be obvious that it does not belong there. Has anyone besides me, ever thought that it very well could be the first guillotine erected to behead those who refuse to bow to Antichrist and take his mark?

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.

Revelation 19:19-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
i do not know if you really understand what Paul said in 1thes4
[1Th 4:16] KJV For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

are you not comforted?

The DEAD in CHRIST shall rise FIRST.

Whether you died by beheading, by burning, by chopping,or whatever kind of the worst torture you can think of.

The DEAD in Christ SHALL rise again.

Comforting words by Paul.
 
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Where in zech 14 can you find the temple?

Where do you think Jesus sets up his throne, so that all the people of all the nations come up at least once a year to worship him?

The temple is Gods house. Jesus is God is he not> thus he will have his house.

You also have to look at the rest of scripture. ALOT of scripture speaks of the SAME TIME PERIOD. Not just one.
 

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God did not consider a roman banner unclean.

An unclean thing. A pig was an unclean thing, it was sacrificed in the inner sanctum by antiochus.

When you see the thing standing (occupying the place) in the most holy place.

As for what Daniel was told vs what Jesus said.

1. Jesus did not say destruction was near. He said great tribulation would occure. He also said the tribulation would be worldwide, Not set in one city. For he said plainly, if he did not return, no life would be spared.
2. Daniel. He was told the city would be destroyed, LONG before the abomination would take place. Your time line is off.
[Eze 44:7] KJV In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

Did the Roman Army stand in the sanctuary?
 

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Where do you think Jesus sets up his throne, so that all the people of all the nations come up at least once a year to worship him?

The temple is Gods house. Jesus is God is he not> thus he will have his house.

You also have to look at the rest of scripture. ALOT of scripture speaks of the SAME TIME PERIOD. Not just one.
So you cannot find it in Zech 14?
I would suggest that you read first, before you comment.
 
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CHAPTER 9 Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks

Explanation

The Jewish nation here had drifted away in worldliness, idol worship and sin, which brought upon them calamity and destruction. Ezekiel and all of Israel's holy prophets gave them repeated warning of pending destruction.

We read in 2 Chronicles chapter 36 how king Nebuchadnezzar, of Babylon, in three successive strokes destroyed Jerusalem, burned the house of God, and led the Jews away to Babylon.

A Wonderful Pre-arranged Visit

Following the destruction of Jerusalem by king Nebuchadnezzar the year 606 B.C., Daniel was led away captive to Babylon. In verses 20 and 21 of this chapter we find him praying for the restoration of Israel and confessing the sins of his people. While he was on his knees praying as it was his custom (chapter 6:10 it says he kneeled upon his knees three times daily), the angel Gabriel was caused to visit him. He came to give Daniel "skill and understanding" - Verses 21, 22.

Verse 23: At the beginning of his humble prayer a commandment came forth from the Creator to Gabriel for him to go to Daniel. Gabriel said: "At the beginning of thy supplication the commandment came forth, and I am come to SHOW THEE."
 
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[Eze 44:7] KJV In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

Did the Roman Army stand in the sanctuary?
Did Israel bring them in there? Thats what the passage says. They brought the unclean in. Not that th eunclean took charge and charged in

What does this have to do with Ez 44? No where in ez 44 does it say the temple will be destroyed, Quite the opposite. It says the levites will be put in charge of caring for the temple. Did this happen in ad 70?
 
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So you cannot find it in Zech 14?
I would suggest that you read first, before you comment.

I would suggest you study scripture. Before you make rude comments.

The temple was there in the time of zeck 14. We know it because of others points of scripture.

Just because you do not see it does not make it not so.
 
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The Coming Messiah

Verse 23: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sin, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy."

Notice that seventy weeks were determined upon the Jewish people and upon the Holy City Jerusalem to bring about six important conditions as mentioned in this verse.

When prophecies are given in relation to days, it has been definitely proven by passing events, that we must take each day for a year in their correct application. The prophet Ezekiel gives us this instruction chapter 4, verses 5 and 6.

We have also learned from chapter 7 how wonderfully the 1,260-day period applies to Rome and the work of the little horn power, the papacy.

This seventy-week period, reduced to days therefore equals 490 years, as there are 490 days in 70 weeks. At the end of this 490-year period, reconciliation was to be made for iniquity, and a means provided to forgive sins, or to make an end of sins; also to anoint the Most Holy.

Verse 25: The angel gave Daniel assurance that his prayers were going to be answered and a commandment would go forth sometime in the future to restore and to build Jerusalem. This gave him great hope and joy for the future of the city and people he loved. From the going forth of this commandment until the coming of the Messiah there was to be 69 weeks. After the "three score and two weeks" (one score being 20), the Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself. It was for others that he was to be cut off.

Notice verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation.
 
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The Starting Point

This line of prophecy would be meaningless if it were not for the definite starting place given. - "From the time the commandment goes forth to build Jerusalem" unto the Messiah the prince. - Verse 25.

Did such a commandment go forth and under what circumstances and when?

The Commandment Goes Forth

Daniel did not live to see the promise of Gabriel fulfilled, but we have a record of the decree, and a copy of the letter written by King Artaxerxes to Ezra the priest. This is in your Bible in the 7th chapter of the book of Ezra, verses 11 and 21.

While other decrees had been made concerning the rebuilding of the Temple and also that the Jews had before that began returning to Jerusalem, they were poverty stricken and powerless to rebuild the city and the temple without money. This, therefore, marks the time for the real decree and the basis for the starting of this prophecy of 70 weeks or 490 years.

Ezra 7:11, 12, 16: "Now this is a copy of the letter that the King Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest. . . .Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest... I make a decree that all the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites which are minded to go up to Jerusalem go with thee... And all the silver and gold in all the provinces of Babylon that thou canst find with all the freewill offerings of the priests for the house of God at Jerusalem." This whole chapter should be read.
 
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At the top of the page on my Bible it gives the date 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth to build Jerusalem. This date agrees with all histories concerning the time when Artaxerxes was king and when Ezra was priest. Most English Bibles with concordances have the date at the top of the page when he recorded events occurred. We add 33 A.D. the year He was cut off and it makes exactly the 490 years.

Note that Gabriel said there was to be 70 weeks or 490 years after this commandment went forth until the Messiah came. Also that he was to be cut off and reconciliation would be made for iniquity, that is a means of forgiving sins, etc.

Now we go over to the New Testament and read in the ending chapters of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where these events happened and find the date given at the top of the page 33 A.D. It was 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth and thus the prophecy was fulfilled.

Note, however, that his 70 weeks was determined upon "THY PEOPLE," the Jews. -Verse 24. Notice also that there is another week not yet accounted for. - Verse 27. In the midst of this week, the Messiah was to cause the sacrifice to cease. Then following there was to be an overspreading of abomination and the land was to be desolate "UNTIL THE CONSUMATION." The consummation began with World War No. 1.
 
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he Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself - Verse 26. Now in verse 27, we find that in the midst of this last week, HE WOULD CAUSE the sacrifice to cease. When he made his soul an offering for sin (Isaiah 53:8, 9, 10), the old system of sacrifices ended. The blood of the lamb offered twice daily was finished. This cutting off the Messiah (Isa. 53:8; also Daniel 9:27), happened in the midst of this seventieth week. Then there were three and a half years left to fulfill the 70 weeks exactly. The 70 weeks were determined upon Daniel's people.

During the following one half of this last week, or three and a half years, they refused to hear the message. The Messiah also said just before He was cut off, speaking of the Jews: "They shall fall by the edge of the sword and be led away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:24).

During this three and a half years,they turned against their own race, put them in prison, and stoned them to death. Notice Acts 7:54 to 58, also chapter 8:1 to 3, and chapter 5:18 to 20 etc.

Just as there was a definite turning away from the gospel during this period, now at this end of Gentiles times, there is a positive change coming over Israel. "Blindness in part was to happen to Israel UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles had come in" (Romans 11:25). Now the Holy Spirit is coming upon Israel (Ezek. 36:24-27).
 

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Did Israel bring them in there? Thats what the passage says. They brought the unclean in. Not that th eunclean took charge and charged in

What does this have to do with Ez 44? No where in ez 44 does it say the temple will be destroyed, Quite the opposite. It says the levites will be put in charge of caring for the temple. Did this happen in ad 70?
eze 44 shows to you, that no strangers are allowed in the sanctuary, that was consider an abomination.

That is why you were ask, Did the Roman army stand in the sanctuary?
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE FIRST TWO TEMPLES.
really?

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You do not have to go with us, if you so choose. But know that only those who are READY and Watching for the BRIDEGROOM to come, will get to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. While you and others like you, will go thru the Tribulation.
false gospel.
"being ready"

like...serious?
 

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An Abomination which makes desolate is ONLY an abomination which makes a holy place desolate. It means an unclean thing is placed in a holy place making it unclean.
a 3rd temple would be "clean" or "holy" after Jesus came?
nah
 
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eze 44 shows to you, that no strangers are allowed in the sanctuary, that was consider an abomination.

That is why you were ask, Did the Roman army stand in the sanctuary?
no. ez 44 shows that Isreal let strangers and unclean people in the sanctuary. The sancuary is not only the holy of holies, it is the whole inner temple. Isreal were letting them in all the time.

Only the levites were aloud in there, A non levite child of Isreal would have been unclean and defile the sancuary as far as this is concerned. And the passage states this

only the high priest was alowed to enter the most holy place. and only once a year.