What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

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Good grief, are there so many that refuse to recognize the difference between Spiritual Truths and Physical Prophecies that will be fulfilled. So many that refuse to admit, that GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL, AND WE ARE NOT SPIRITUAL ISRAELITES.
Matthew 21:43-45 KJV
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

This text is clear, the kingdom was taken from literal Israel.
Daniel 9:26 KJV
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The part highlighted in red in this verse can also be translated as 'The Jews shall be no more His people'


The spiritual Truth of GETTING DOWN off the throne of our hearts and GIVING THAT SPIRITUAL THRONE TO JESUS CHRIST, makes our bodies a Temple of GOD. THAT IS TRUE. BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the Physical Prophecy of the Third Temple:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB)
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE FIRST TWO TEMPLES.

SEE IT, the Antichrist will be displaying himself not out of site in the hearts of people.
It looks like you are stuck in the literal and not in the spiritual. By saying it is in the future you are not seeing that it is already here within the church. It was already working in Paul's day as he said.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
1 John 4:3 KJV
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

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Matthew 21:43-45 KJV
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

This text is clear, the kingdom was taken from literal Israel.
Daniel 9:26 KJV
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The part highlighted in red in this verse can also be translated as 'The Jews shall be no more His people'




It looks like you are stuck in the literal and not in the spiritual. By saying it is in the future you are not seeing that it is already here within the church. It was already working in Paul's day as he said.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
1 John 4:3 KJV
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Romans 11:2-7 (GW)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] God has not rejected his people whom he knew long ago. Don't you know what Elijah says in the Scripture passage when he complains to God about Israel? He says,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “Lord, they've killed your prophets and torn down your altars. I'm the only one left, and they're trying to take my life.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But what was God's reply? God said, “I've kept 7,000 people for myself who have not knelt to worship Baal.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] So, as there were then, there are now a few left that God has chosen by his kindness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If they were chosen by God's kindness, they weren't chosen because of anything they did. Otherwise, God's kindness wouldn't be kindness.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] So what does all this mean? It means that Israel has never achieved what it has been striving for. However, those whom God has chosen have achieved it. The minds of the rest of Israel were closed,

Romans 11:25-27 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

The fruit of the kingdom is the demonstrated righteousness produced out of a life turned from sin (see Phil 1:11; Col. 1:10). The unbelieving religious leaders would not turn from their sin and repent, and therefore they could not produce kingdom fruit (genuinely righteous behavior). They were spiritually barren, and because of that willful barrenness they were cursed, like the fig tree that had leaves but no figs (21:18-19).

By grace through God's unconditional promise, Israel will one day return to God and bear fruit for His kingdom. "God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew," Paul assured his fellow Jews. And when "the fulness of the Gentiles has come,... all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, 'The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob'" (Rom. 11:2, 25-26).

But in the meanwhile God has chosen another people to be His own witness. He had long ago declared "I will call those who were not My people, 'My people,' and her who was not beloved, 'Beloved.' And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' there they shall be called sons of the living God" (Rom. 9:25-26).

MacArthur New Testament Commentary, The - MacArthur New Testament Commentary – Matthew 16-23.
 
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Romans 11:2-7 (GW)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] God has not rejected his people whom he knew long ago. Don't you know what Elijah says in the Scripture passage when he complains to God about Israel? He says,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “Lord, they've killed your prophets and torn down your altars. I'm the only one left, and they're trying to take my life.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But what was God's reply? God said, “I've kept 7,000 people for myself who have not knelt to worship Baal.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] So, as there were then, there are now a few left that God has chosen by his kindness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If they were chosen by God's kindness, they weren't chosen because of anything they did. Otherwise, God's kindness wouldn't be kindness.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] So what does all this mean? It means that Israel has never achieved what it has been striving for. However, those whom God has chosen have achieved it. The minds of the rest of Israel were closed,

Romans 11:25-27 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."
Romans 9:6 KJV
(6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
 

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And as I said (but you did not listen) that does not mean the temple was not there.


Why not provide scriptures, so we can read. You lack scriptural support

Acording to other aspects of scripture. The people (women) left the city, and is protected by God. When did they depart the city? when the abomination of desolation occures.. How can their be an obomination if there was no temple?
based from your story, I reckon you are referring to Rev 12. If not please provide scriptures:

Let me ask you something about Rev 12:
1.Who will make war with the saints? Satan/Dragon or the Beast of Rev 13?
2. In revelation 12, the Woman is at war with whom?


Again your making an assumption the temple was not there. Other aspects of scripture shows you plainly it is.


Please provide where in scriptures for the third temple:


Temple 1: Build by Solomon as said by the Lord -2Ch 28:6
Temple 2: Zerubbabel/cyrus as said by the Lord - ez 4, hag 1.
Temple 3???? Who will build this temple?

temple in vs. 20 of Zech 14- Build by the man whose name is the BRANCH.
Zec_6:12 And speakunto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whosename is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall buildthe temple of the LORD:


And this can not be ad 70. Because there was no remnant left. In all of judea. they were taken out completely within a few years.
someone has replied to you about this.
 

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Did Israel bring them in??


ez 44: [SUP]7 [/SUP]When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to defile it—My house—and when you offered My food, the fat and the blood, then they broke My covenant because of all your abominations.

This did not happen in 70 AD! Come on people..

you ask, Did Israel bring them In???
Will you also ask, Did they bring/cause their own destruction/desolation?

God used the Babylonian and destroyed the temple because the children of Israel continuously disobey his commandments/covenant
on 70AD God used the Roman.

by continually disobeying God, the Children of Israel, bring their own destruction/desolation.

Now, Did the roman Stand in the sanctuary and pollute it?
Did the Roman, stand in the Holy of holies when they looted it?

Did it happen in 70AD?
 

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Come Day ONE of the Christ's Thousand Year reign in Jerusalem, from the THRONE OF DAVID, there will be Three groups of resurrected saints. The Church-Age saints, the Old Testament saints, and the Tribulation saints. The Tribulation believer's are not part of the Bride of Christ, in fact in heaven the Church Elders did not recognize them when they first arrived spiritually Under the Altar. YES their position in heaven, will be reigning with Him a priests, but not as part of the BRIDE. What position do the Old Testament saints serve in heaven? I cannot say I remember it saying that specifically in any verse, but I like to think it will be "Family of the Bride". How many unbelievers will be alive on that Day that Christ takes his rightful place on the Throne of DAVID? ZERO!

Revelation 19:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Church age:
Do you think the Church will have its ending?
I guess, you were also taught that the Church will be with Christ forever....So no age...
Daniel saw four kingdoms prior to God kingdom:
The Lion, the Bear, The Leopard, the unknown beast...then finally God's Kingdom

Your church age is just created to suit your belief: The Church will last forever.

To separate the tribulation saints to the Church, would require them another Saviour.

Who then repopulates the Earth during Christ's Thousand year Kingdom. The 144,000 JEWS sealed in their MORTAL BODIES. That is what they were sealed for. SEE, God's Covenant with Israel TRULY IS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
This thousand year question will be answered also by another thousand year question:
would you not want to be part of enjoying sex for thousand of years? Don't you think that is torture to those who cannot?

Paul gave us comforting words regarding those DEAD in Christ:

Here's what Paul take about the LIVING:
1Co 15:51 Behold, Ishew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, v52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, atthe last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raisedincorruptible, and we shall be changed.

YOUR MORTAL BODIES
1Co 15:53 For thiscorruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


 

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Yep. they will and have been saved since then.

but that is not what the passage in question says, it says they will be saved in the land.. And while they are there, God will punish the nations who come up against her. When did this happen?

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
back up a verse....or start at the beginning of the book.

do you not agree this is prophesying Christ at His First Coming?


Zechariah 13
At that time,a a fountain will be opened for the house of David and for those who live in Jerusalem so they can be cleansed from sin and ceremonial impurity.

2“At that time,” declares the LORD of the Heavenly Armies, “I will eliminate the names of the idols from the land, and they will not be remembered anymore. I will also force both prophet and demon to leave the land. 3It will also come about that if any man would dare to prophesy, then his father and his mother who bore him will respond to him, ‘You will not live, because you are speaking lies in the name of the LORD.’ Then his father and mother who bore him will stab him for prophesying. 4Furthermore, it will come about at that timef that every prophet will become ashamed of his vision as he prophesies. They will wear no rough garments intended to deceive others.”

The Injured Servant of Mankind

5“Heh will say, ‘I am no mere prophet. A servant of mankind am I, because a man dedicated to this have I been from my youth.’

6“Someone will say to him, ‘What are these injuries to your hands?’

“He will reply, ‘…what I received at my friend’s house.’

7“Arise, sword, against my shepherd,
against the mighty one who is related to me,”
declares the LORD of the Heavenly Armies.
“Strike the shepherd,
the sheep will be scattered,

and I will turn against the insignificant ones.
8It will come about in all of the land,”
declares the LORD,
“that two thirds of the people living there will die,
but a third will survive who live there.
9And I will bring that surviving third through,
testing them as if through fire,
purifying them like silver,
assaying them like gold.
They will call on my name,
and I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is my people,’
and they will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’”


Matthew 26
26While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. 29“But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

30After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

31Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP OF THE FLOCK SHALL BE SCATTERED.’

Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

John 16:32
"A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.

Malachi 1
11"For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations," says the LORD of hosts. 12"But you are profaning it, in that you say, 'The table of the Lord is defiled, and as for its fruit, its food is to be despised.'

Matthew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

John 4:21
"Woman," Jesus replied, "believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the Gentiles against Jerusalem in battle, and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

goy: nation, people
Original Word: גּוֹי
Part of Speech: noun masculine; proper name, of a people
Transliteration: goy
Phonetic Spelling: (go'-ee)
Short Definition: nations

Zechariah 14:1
A day of the LORD is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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Read Revelation for yourself. Starting in Revelation 4:1 the Church is NO LONGER ON EARTH.

The Church in Smyrna -

Rev 2:9 I know thyworks, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know theblasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogueof Satan

The Church in Philadelphia
Rev 3:9 Behold, Iwill make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not,but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, andto know that I have loved thee.

Let us be clear, Are you saying that there will be no more Jewish saints after Revelation 4?

In fact our 24 Elders are on their Thrones in Heaven. The Third Temple is built, and 3 and 1/2 years into his peaceful reign, Antichrist STOPS the temple worship and takes a seat or throne in the TEMPLE demanding to be worshipped as GOD, 2 Thes. 2:4, beheading all who refuse.
Please clarify for me to response more:

1. Who will build the third temple? any biblical reference to support this. (like the 1st and the 2nd temple)
2. When will the AntiChrist be revealed: at the Beginning of 7 years or at the middle?
3. How long will the antichrist be in power? Rev 13.
4. If the first 3.5 years is peaceful, then it is not tribulation?





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Romans 9:6 KJV
(6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Now there you and I agree, but I doubt if you understand the verse.

He is saying, that NOT EVERYONE BORN OF THE BLOODLINE OF ISRAEL, is TRULY part of WHAT HE MEANS by ISRAEL.

Those Old Testament Jews whom Believed Messiah WOULD COME providing a way of Salvation, are ISRAEL.

Those JEWS who Believed Messiah DID COME in the body of JESUS and Received HIM as LORD during the Church Age, are not ISRAEL, but rather ARE PART OF THE CHURCH.

Those Jews WHO Recognized JESUS as their Messiah submitting to HIM AND ARE PART OF THE 144,000 SEALED in their mortal Bodies specifically chosen by GOD after the Church Age, ARE ALSO PART OF ISRAEL, and soon to be HIS royal subjects of the Thousand Year Kingdom of Jesus Christ..

Those Jews who are ALSO led to Recognize that JESUS CHRIST is their MESSIAH by the Two Witnesses after the Church Age but not part of those 144,000 sealed by GOD; will ultimately become part of the Martyred saints. They are commonly referred to by most Christians as the Tribulation saints, and they will all be rewarded with becoming Priests in the Christ's Kingdom Temple.


When you posted:

Matthew 21:43-45 KJV
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

You didn't really read verse 45 did you?

Mat. 21:45-46
The chief priests and Pharisees realized these parables were aimed directly at them
, in answer to their question concerning Christ's authority. They would like to have seized Him then and there, but they feared the multitudes, who still took Jesus for a prophet.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.
Now let me save you an exercise in futility. Before you say anything like, "But we have the faith of Abraham, so that makes us spiritual Israelites." NO IT DOES NOT, because Abraham was NOT an Israelite. he was from Ur of the Chaldees, which may remotely make us spiritual Chaldeans, but NOT spiritual Israelites.
 

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We don't need theologians to figure this out, the Holy Spirit should be our guide in all things. We just can't twist scripture to fit with a chosen theology.

It's very obvious that the reason many fight this scripture is because it's the main one that disproves the 70AD view! The only way one can make it fit is to twist the scriptures. What happens is they end up claiming that the Roman prince to come is actually speaking of Jesus. This is what Rome wanted.. anything to divert attention away from them.

What do the scriptures say?............


Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people (Romans) of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."


Yes, Messiah was cut off (fulfilled)
The Romans then destroyed the temple (fulfilled)
The future prince who is to come (not yet fulfilled) - it says the people who destroyed the temple (Romans) are of the prince to come, so we know the future prince ('man of sin') is someone from Rome (aka revived Roman empire, as confirmed in various scriptures).

Continuing......

Daniel 9:27: "Then he (roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);
But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs)
he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

Verse 27 is not Jesus, it is the future 'man of sin'.

In addition to this, throughout the entire bible God is always referred to with a capital - Him, He, His. Everyone else, especially the enemy, is always a lower case. Verse 26 shows "Himself" and verse 27 shows "he".


Watcher - the covenant will be some kind of peace treaty with Israel and many, but it will be broken half way through. The treaty will have something in it of benefit to the Jews, to win them over, one of which could be a temple maybe, and this could be what motivates Jews around the world to return to Israel, if the persecution doesn't already do that.


2 Peter 3:16: "....as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures"

Unbelievable. This thread has 308 replies and is still going. Just goes to show that not all are being led by the Spirit because there is only one answer to this. It's either Jesus or Antichrist in verse 27. Clearly it's not Jesus and so many refuse to accept this fact because it doesn't support their view. Their view has become a priority over the scriptures.
 

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Church age:
Do you think the Church will have its ending?
I guess, you were also taught that the Church will be with Christ forever....So no age...
Daniel saw four kingdoms prior to God kingdom:
The Lion, the Bear, The Leopard, the unknown beast...then finally God's Kingdom

Your church age is just created to suit your belief: The Church will last forever.

To separate the tribulation saints to the Church, would require them another Saviour.



This thousand year question will be answered also by another thousand year question:
would you not want to be part of enjoying sex for thousand of years? Don't you think that is torture to those who cannot?

Paul gave us comforting words regarding those DEAD in Christ:

Here's what Paul take about the LIVING:
1Co 15:51 Behold, Ishew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, v52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, atthe last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raisedincorruptible, and we shall be changed.

YOUR MORTAL BODIES
1Co 15:53 For thiscorruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

When the purpose of the CHURCH is fulfilled, we get to go home.

Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.


Philippians 3:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
 

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When the purpose of the CHURCH is fulfilled, we get to go home.

Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.


Philippians 3:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
When is it? at the end of the age...

let us see when is end of the age:

Mat 13:49 ISV That is howit will be at the end of the age. The angels will go out, cull out the evilpeople from among the righteous ones, v.50 and will throw them into a blazing furnace. In that place there will bewailing and gnashing of teeth."


Mat 13:40 ISV Just asweeds are gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at end of the age.

Mat 13:41 ISV The Son ofMan will send his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom everything thatcauses others to sin and those who practice lawlessness

Mat 13:42 ISV and theywill throw them into a blazing furnace. In that place there will be wailing andgnashing of teeth.

It seems like the end of the age you were referring to is up to the White throne Judgement.
Rev 20:15 Anyonewhose name was not found written in the Book of Life was thrown into the lakeof fire.

and indeed Jesus will be with us even unto the end of the age....and I believe even after that...FOREVER.







 
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back up a verse....or start at the beginning of the book.

do you not agree this is prophesying Christ at His First Coming?
No..

why?

1. Isreal was not restored
2. God did not punish the people who treated Israel badly while they were in their care while isreal was being punished for her sins.
3. God did not destroy the nations (take away their kingdoms) and set up his own, where all the nations of the earth come to him to worship him.

To many things did not happen. Which God said WILL HAPPEN. and I refuse to make an allegory of these things, just so I can live with my believe and explain away why they did not happen.
 

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Unbelievable. This thread has 308 replies and is still going. Just goes to show that not all are being led by the Spirit because there is only one answer to this. It's either Jesus or Antichrist in verse 27. Clearly it's not Jesus and so many refuse to accept this fact because it doesn't support their view. Their view has become a priority over the scriptures.
many have responded to your first comment beginning at thread no. 4..I hope you read them...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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[/B][/COLOR]Why not provide scriptures, so we can read. You lack scriptural support


You are coming from your belief. Your are interpreting other aspects of scripture as being in ad 70. I do not. In my interpretations of those passages, THERE IS A TEMPLE. so no matter what I say, you would not consider my belief as support. That is NOT MY PROBLEM



based from your story, I reckon you are referring to Rev 12. If not please provide scriptures:
This is one aspect. But there are others.

Let me ask you something about Rev 12:
1.Who will make war with the saints? Satan/Dragon or the Beast of Rev 13?
The dragon is satan. He uses whatever means he can, Always has always will. But in this context. It is the son of perdition or world ruler or future prince of rome. or whatever you want to call him.

2. In revelation 12, the Woman is at war with whom?
She has always been at war with satan. Sometimes God has protected her, Sometimes God has not.


Please provide where in scriptures for the third temple:


Temple 1: Build by Solomon as said by the Lord -2Ch 28:6
Temple 2: Zerubbabel/cyrus as said by the Lord - ez 4, hag 1.
Temple 3???? Who will build this temple?

temple in vs. 20 of Zech 14- Build by the man whose name is the BRANCH.
[/B]Zec_6:12 And speakunto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whosename is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall buildthe temple of the LORD:



someone has replied to you about this.


lol. In order for their to be an abomination which makes desolate. there must be a third temple

In order for Christ to have a temple with which to rule from in his kingdom. there must be a thrid temple.

Again, Our separation is interpretation. I could show you 100 passages, But if you are not open to my interpretation,. YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE ME. But you can not say I do not have proof.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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you ask, Did Israel bring them In???
Will you also ask, Did they bring/cause their own destruction/desolation?

God used the Babylonian and destroyed the temple because the children of Israel continuously disobey his commandments/covenant
on 70AD God used the Roman.

by continually disobeying God, the Children of Israel, bring their own destruction/desolation.

Now, Did the roman Stand in the sanctuary and pollute it?
Did the Roman, stand in the Holy of holies when they looted it?

Did it happen in 70AD?
Did they commit an abomination which causes desolation which ALL WOULD be able to see? (this would be impossible by the way in their day and age)

who cares if they stood in it. They robbed and looted it and titus used the money to make a collesium. That does not mean this is the abomination which makes desolate.

Jesus told them to run, because he would protect them. Did jesus protect them in 70 AD? Nope. He had them removed.

Yet he prophesied this would happen. And it was a separate event than the abomination. You think it is one. But it is not.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Unbelievable. This thread has 308 replies and is still going. Just goes to show that not all are being led by the Spirit because there is only one answer to this. It's either Jesus or Antichrist in verse 27. Clearly it's not Jesus and so many refuse to accept this fact because it doesn't support their view. Their view has become a priority over the scriptures.

I think some just like to argue..lol

Others just want everyone to believe as they do.

Still others just have their belief. but do not demand everyone believe their way. They understand it is not a salvic issue
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The temple are our bodies, being built in the spirit.
Thats the spiritual temple.

But not the temple in jerusalem which has been prophesied about