What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?
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they were washed and sanctified by the BLOOD of their Savior!
He Who made an end of animal sacrifices.
He Who continually confirmed the Covenant Promised to Israel first through Abraham - (even all the way back to Adam - the protoevangelium). His disciples continued to plead with Israel about the New Covenant!
Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'
Galatians 3:8
Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.
He Who made an end of animal sacrifices.
He Who continually confirmed the Covenant Promised to Israel first through Abraham - (even all the way back to Adam - the protoevangelium). His disciples continued to plead with Israel about the New Covenant!
Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'
Galatians 3:8
Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.
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We can say this, because History shows that the end of the 69th week to the day is the day Jesus entered jerusalem on a donkey, as prophesied.
Zechariah 9:9 [ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.
He was killed (cut off) just a few days later. Meaning the next seven years would have to come before the fulfillment of the prophesy. Which did not happen. thus either the prophesy is proven false. and we can do Like Israel and consider daniel a false part of scripture. Or the 70th week was considered future. And happened not in sequence with the 69th week.
so in sequence, after the messiah is cut off
1. 70 AD happened 40 years later.
2. Wars and desolations will continue for a determined amount of time
3. Some roman prince will confirm a covenant
4. In the middle of the week, He will put an abomination which makes deslate
5. The end of the prophesy is when the consumation is poured out on the desolate (we must use other parts of scripture to figure out which is consumated. According to Jesus in matt 24. It is the return of Christ, after great tribulation
Zechariah 9:9 [ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.
He was killed (cut off) just a few days later. Meaning the next seven years would have to come before the fulfillment of the prophesy. Which did not happen. thus either the prophesy is proven false. and we can do Like Israel and consider daniel a false part of scripture. Or the 70th week was considered future. And happened not in sequence with the 69th week.
so in sequence, after the messiah is cut off
1. 70 AD happened 40 years later.
2. Wars and desolations will continue for a determined amount of time
3. Some roman prince will confirm a covenant
4. In the middle of the week, He will put an abomination which makes deslate
5. The end of the prophesy is when the consumation is poured out on the desolate (we must use other parts of scripture to figure out which is consumated. According to Jesus in matt 24. It is the return of Christ, after great tribulation
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*[[Mar 1:14-15]] KJV* %v 14% Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, %v 15% And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
What time is Jesus referring to? Daniel 9, Jesus was baptised, anointed with the Holy Spirit at the end of the 69th week. The commandment to restore Jerusalem was 457 BC. 483 years later Jesus was baptised. 7 x 69=483. Daniel 9 gives the starting point for the 70 week prophecy.
What time is Jesus referring to? Daniel 9, Jesus was baptised, anointed with the Holy Spirit at the end of the 69th week. The commandment to restore Jerusalem was 457 BC. 483 years later Jesus was baptised. 7 x 69=483. Daniel 9 gives the starting point for the 70 week prophecy.
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1. Your three years early.
2. The command to restore was in 445 BC. Through Artaxes, who gave the command to restore the City. (nehemiah 2: 1-8)(everyone else gave a command just to restor the temple. NOT the city.
3. Jesus baptism was not him being introduced to Isreal. It was confirming to John the baptise, who was his witness
4. As already shown Jesus was introduced according to prophesy on a donkey.
5. If Jesus baptism is his introduction. Then you have his cutting off 3 years after he was introduced. What happened 4 years later to fulfill the prophesy? Nothing!
445 BC + 69 weeks of 360 years 173380 days = the month of nisan, or the week Jesus entered jerusalem.
3.
the day Jesus entered jerusalem on a donkey, as prophesied, was not the start of the 70th week.
John the Baptist's announcement of Him as The Lamb of God, and his Baptism marked the start of His Ministry to Israel.
He was cut off 3.5 years later.
John 1
Behold, the Lamb of God
29The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30"This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'
John the Baptist announces Jesus' coming - as The MESSIAH!
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks
John the Baptist's announcement of Him as The Lamb of God, and his Baptism marked the start of His Ministry to Israel.
He was cut off 3.5 years later.
John 1
Behold, the Lamb of God
29The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30"This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'
John the Baptist announces Jesus' coming - as The MESSIAH!
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks
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See my last post. Your off three years early (plus jesus ministry was only three years so your off a half year)
No where in the OT did it say Israel would know their messiah, and he would be introduced as king by being baptised by some guy named john the baptist.
They were told, he would be introduced as king, as he enters Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
No where in the OT did it say Israel would know their messiah, and he would be introduced as king by being baptised by some guy named john the baptist.
They were told, he would be introduced as king, as he enters Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the (announcement arrival of) Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks
26And after threescore and two weeks (AFTER WEEK 69) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
okay: "in the midst of the week" < in the midst of week 70.....so week 70 is either totally fulfilled or partially fulfilled....do you have half or some other portion of the 70th week in the future?....where...anywhere is Daniel told there's a gap? where?
THEN WHY DID THEY?
why did the MANY believe?
365 Messianic Prophecies
365 Messianic Prophecies
John 1:41
The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, "We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).
John 2:23
Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.
John 7:31
Still, many in the crowd believed in him. They said, "When the Messiah comes, will he perform more signs than this man?"
John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted upa the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30Even as he spoke, many believed in him.
John 8:31
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Galatians 2
In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, while they continued their work with the Jews.
Acts 1
14These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers. 15At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together), and said, 16"Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.
Acts 10:23
Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests. Peter at Cornelius's House The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along.
26And after threescore and two weeks (AFTER WEEK 69) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
okay: "in the midst of the week" < in the midst of week 70.....so week 70 is either totally fulfilled or partially fulfilled....do you have half or some other portion of the 70th week in the future?....where...anywhere is Daniel told there's a gap? where?
THEN WHY DID THEY?
why did the MANY believe?
365 Messianic Prophecies
365 Messianic Prophecies
John 1:41
The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, "We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).
John 2:23
Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.
John 7:31
Still, many in the crowd believed in him. They said, "When the Messiah comes, will he perform more signs than this man?"
John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted upa the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30Even as he spoke, many believed in him.
John 8:31
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Galatians 2
In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, while they continued their work with the Jews.
Acts 1
14These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers. 15At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together), and said, 16"Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.
Acts 10:23
Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests. Peter at Cornelius's House The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along.
Biblically and historically this is true and the majority I think, will agree.
You have selected two futures of a single statement:
The people who destroyed the temple : 70AD
the prince to come - another future
(a clear twisting/stretching of scriptures)
The statement reads
"And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."
Let us remember that the main subject here is to end of transgression of the people (Israel) and about the HOLY CITY. (Dan 9:24)
The first 69 weeks deals with the rebuilding of the city up until the Messiah was cut-off for the transgression of the people (Isa 53:8)
It would be then reasonable that after 69 weeks the remaining week deals with the city.
so who will come to destroy the city and the sanctuary?
the "people of the prince" who is to come....
again: it is not about the prince...but the city...
Who will come is "the people of the prince" and the purpose is to destroy the city and the sanctuary. (one future)
to illustrate:
Dan 9:26 And afterthreescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
>------------------69 weeks - messiah cut-off ---------------<
and thepeople of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolationsare determined.
> ---1 week "for the people of the prince" to destroy the city and the sanctuary----< (end of war- desolation (DETERMINED))
I do not think the original Hebrew text uses Capital letter to distinguished which is which.
Having said that let us study verse 27:
Daniel 9:27: "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs) he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering and on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate
Dan 9:27 (KJV) And he shallconfirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week heshall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreadingof abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, andthat determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
1. He - refers to previous verse : Its either the "Messiah" or the "people of the prince"
2. confirmation of covenant for one week - the last week of the 70 weeks vision of Daniel about the people and the city.
3. Sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the week.
4. That determined? shall be poured upon the desolate
as to who is He:
a. If the Messiah or the Lord-from verse 26:
1. Let us remember that Daniel prayed because he remembered the word of Jeremiah about the desolation of Jerusalem (dan 9:2)
Dan9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth untothee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, andto the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and thatare far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, becauseof their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
Who caused their first desolation, and have driven them through all the countries?
Although the Babylonian Empire was the one who burned the temple and carried them captive, It was the LORD.
In applying the Babylonian scenario to the Romans;
b. It is the Lord through the Romans:
2. What covenant:
Is it possible that it is the law of Moses?
Gal_3:17 And this Isay, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law,which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it shouldmake the promise of none effect.
let us also remember the reason of their desolation:
Dan 9:10 Neither havewe obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he setbefore us by his servants the prophets. v11 Yea, allIsrael have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obeythy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is writtenin the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
3. the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the week: Obviously the daily sacrifices as commanded in the laws of Moses
4. what was that determined? referring to verse 26:
"...,and unto the end of the war desolations are determined"
Dan 9:11 Yea, allIsrael have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obeythy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is writtenin the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
the curse of Leviticus 26;
to summarise ;
Daniel 9:27 ;
shows that The "He" was referring from verse 26....
That determined was also referring from verse 26...
and the daily sacrifices refers to the work in the sanctuary which also refer to verse 26...
From beginning of Daniel 9: 27, the middle and the last the passage refers to verse 26...
IS it possible that Daniel 9:27 is a blow up of Daniel 9:26?
Daniel 9: 27 : >begin:---------------------midst: daily sacrifice taken away--------------end war------< desolation
>----------------------------covenant confirmed (1week)-------------------------------------<
Daniel 9:26 : >-----------------------------destruction of city and sanctuary-------------end of war----< DESOLATION
Roman Jewish war
67 invasion of galilee
70 Destruction of temple
73-74 end of war at Masada
> 67 --------------------70: destruction of city and sanctuary--------end of war-73-74---<DESOLATION
Psa 105:10 And confirmedthe same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: 11 Saying, Unto thee will I give theland of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:
The Jews fought for their Land....The Lord through the Romans confirmed this covenant (THE LAW) to Many. (Jews- who fought for their land)...
In considering your view:
Peace treaty with Israel and many....
Many nations or many Jews?
If many nations, Can you list them?
if more than one nation....could this mean of world peace? if yes, a probability of world war before that world peace. Can you provide from a scripture of war prior to that peace?
Notice that Daniel discussed the rebuilding of the city in the first 69 weeks, why then He did not give any emphasis for another reconstruction of the temple after it was destroyed by the people of the prince?
You have selected two futures of a single statement:
The people who destroyed the temple : 70AD
the prince to come - another future
(a clear twisting/stretching of scriptures)
The statement reads
"And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."
Let us remember that the main subject here is to end of transgression of the people (Israel) and about the HOLY CITY. (Dan 9:24)
The first 69 weeks deals with the rebuilding of the city up until the Messiah was cut-off for the transgression of the people (Isa 53:8)
It would be then reasonable that after 69 weeks the remaining week deals with the city.
so who will come to destroy the city and the sanctuary?
the "people of the prince" who is to come....
again: it is not about the prince...but the city...
Who will come is "the people of the prince" and the purpose is to destroy the city and the sanctuary. (one future)
to illustrate:
Dan 9:26 And afterthreescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
>------------------69 weeks - messiah cut-off ---------------<
and thepeople of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolationsare determined.
> ---1 week "for the people of the prince" to destroy the city and the sanctuary----< (end of war- desolation (DETERMINED))
I do not think the original Hebrew text uses Capital letter to distinguished which is which.
Having said that let us study verse 27:
Daniel 9:27: "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs) he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering and on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate
Dan 9:27 (KJV) And he shallconfirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week heshall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreadingof abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, andthat determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
1. He - refers to previous verse : Its either the "Messiah" or the "people of the prince"
2. confirmation of covenant for one week - the last week of the 70 weeks vision of Daniel about the people and the city.
3. Sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the week.
4. That determined? shall be poured upon the desolate
as to who is He:
a. If the Messiah or the Lord-from verse 26:
1. Let us remember that Daniel prayed because he remembered the word of Jeremiah about the desolation of Jerusalem (dan 9:2)
Dan9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth untothee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, andto the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and thatare far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, becauseof their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
Who caused their first desolation, and have driven them through all the countries?
Although the Babylonian Empire was the one who burned the temple and carried them captive, It was the LORD.
In applying the Babylonian scenario to the Romans;
b. It is the Lord through the Romans:
2. What covenant:
Is it possible that it is the law of Moses?
Gal_3:17 And this Isay, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law,which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it shouldmake the promise of none effect.
let us also remember the reason of their desolation:
Dan 9:10 Neither havewe obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he setbefore us by his servants the prophets. v11 Yea, allIsrael have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obeythy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is writtenin the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
3. the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the week: Obviously the daily sacrifices as commanded in the laws of Moses
4. what was that determined? referring to verse 26:
"...,and unto the end of the war desolations are determined"
Dan 9:11 Yea, allIsrael have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obeythy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is writtenin the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
the curse of Leviticus 26;
to summarise ;
Daniel 9:27 ;
shows that The "He" was referring from verse 26....
That determined was also referring from verse 26...
and the daily sacrifices refers to the work in the sanctuary which also refer to verse 26...
From beginning of Daniel 9: 27, the middle and the last the passage refers to verse 26...
IS it possible that Daniel 9:27 is a blow up of Daniel 9:26?
Daniel 9: 27 : >begin:---------------------midst: daily sacrifice taken away--------------end war------< desolation
>----------------------------covenant confirmed (1week)-------------------------------------<
Daniel 9:26 : >-----------------------------destruction of city and sanctuary-------------end of war----< DESOLATION
Roman Jewish war
67 invasion of galilee
70 Destruction of temple
73-74 end of war at Masada
> 67 --------------------70: destruction of city and sanctuary--------end of war-73-74---<DESOLATION
Psa 105:10 And confirmedthe same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: 11 Saying, Unto thee will I give theland of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:
The Jews fought for their Land....The Lord through the Romans confirmed this covenant (THE LAW) to Many. (Jews- who fought for their land)...
In considering your view:
Peace treaty with Israel and many....
Many nations or many Jews?
If many nations, Can you list them?
if more than one nation....could this mean of world peace? if yes, a probability of world war before that world peace. Can you provide from a scripture of war prior to that peace?
Notice that Daniel discussed the rebuilding of the city in the first 69 weeks, why then He did not give any emphasis for another reconstruction of the temple after it was destroyed by the people of the prince?
What is very interesting about the Book of Daniel, the Jews back then understood that the rebuilding of Jerusalem & the Temple will bring fourth messiah to them. I read on another thread now some sect of Jews do not see the Book of Daniel & visions as true, This must be some new mumbo jumbo in this age perhaps.
John 1:41
The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, "We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).
Those that understood the prophecy of Daniel where eagerly waiting for the promise of Hope that did come, just as Daniel the prophet prophecies .Messiah did come to the Holy city and its people in the flesh, and brought a end to sin.
For those who belive in Him
God bless
John 1:41
The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, "We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).
Those that understood the prophecy of Daniel where eagerly waiting for the promise of Hope that did come, just as Daniel the prophet prophecies .Messiah did come to the Holy city and its people in the flesh, and brought a end to sin.
For those who belive in Him
God bless
applying your logic, This prophecy will only come true when they (all Jews) believe in Jesus Christ, and this is when:
Luk 13:35 Behold,your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall notsee me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in thename of the Lord.
Fulfilment will be When Jesus comes. not before the one week . NOTE "Ye shall not see me".
Luk 13:35 Behold,your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall notsee me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in thename of the Lord.
Fulfilment will be When Jesus comes. not before the one week . NOTE "Ye shall not see me".
okay. i thought Cyrus' decree was 456.
70 weeks - 490 years - 70 weeks of years - 70 x 7 decreed for the people and the city (this is not their time in Babylon...this is now looking to Jerusalem and the decree by Cyrus and the appearing of Messiah.
it lists everything He will do for Israel.
Cyrus issues the decree in 456 B.C....right? i dunno.
Isaiah 43:28
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid...
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee [CYRUS] by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying.....
69 weeks - to the Messiah, Who appears....at year 483.
which leaves 7 years in the 490 year prophecy.
ONE WEEK. He appears at the start of the week 70. not the end of 69.
Jesus Ministers and confirms the New Covenant, and dies in the midst of week 70.
...
Luke 13:15
And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not...
why would they be in expectation? because of the prophecy of the Messiah appearing 483 years into the 490 year prophecy?
like....they didn't KNOW? yes, they did....the ones who got saved!
Luke 2:25-26
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
and isn't the mission to Israel still happening after Jesus has Ascended?
who is preaching here?...to whom?
Acts 2:22
"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
then later....who is being preached to?
how many years between the Cutting Off of Messiah until the Gospel went to the gentiles here: (does anyone know? - i don't)
Acts 10
Gentiles Hear the Good News
34So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. 36As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), 37you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. 43To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
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the thing is, it doesn't ultimately matter to me (though i would like to know, and one day i'll settle on whatever marker it was, Lord willing) what marked the last day of the 70th week (for God). was it the scattering of the holy people at stephen's death? the death of james? i don't know.
the point is the whole 490 year prophecy is over.
the 70th week is fulfilled.
Titus couldn't come until it was all fulfilled!
70 weeks - 490 years - 70 weeks of years - 70 x 7 decreed for the people and the city (this is not their time in Babylon...this is now looking to Jerusalem and the decree by Cyrus and the appearing of Messiah.
it lists everything He will do for Israel.
Cyrus issues the decree in 456 B.C....right? i dunno.
Isaiah 43:28
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid...
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee [CYRUS] by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying.....
69 weeks - to the Messiah, Who appears....at year 483.
which leaves 7 years in the 490 year prophecy.
ONE WEEK. He appears at the start of the week 70. not the end of 69.
Jesus Ministers and confirms the New Covenant, and dies in the midst of week 70.
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Luke 13:15
And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not...
why would they be in expectation? because of the prophecy of the Messiah appearing 483 years into the 490 year prophecy?
like....they didn't KNOW? yes, they did....the ones who got saved!
Luke 2:25-26
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
and isn't the mission to Israel still happening after Jesus has Ascended?
who is preaching here?
...to whom?Acts 2:22
"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
then later....who is being preached to?
how many years between the Cutting Off of Messiah until the Gospel went to the gentiles here: (does anyone know? - i don't)
Acts 10
Gentiles Hear the Good News
34So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. 36As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), 37you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. 43To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
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the thing is, it doesn't ultimately matter to me (though i would like to know, and one day i'll settle on whatever marker it was, Lord willing) what marked the last day of the 70th week (for God). was it the scattering of the holy people at stephen's death? the death of james? i don't know.
the point is the whole 490 year prophecy is over.
the 70th week is fulfilled.
Titus couldn't come until it was all fulfilled!
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it is CYRUS' command that we are looking at EG.
Isaiah 43:28
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid...
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee [CYRUS] by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying.....
and even if you pick some other Anointed Servant Shepherd that isn't Cyrus...there is STILL no reason to GAP out....no GAP!
there's nothing at all in there that allows for it. it's outrageous
Isaiah 43:28
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid...
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee [CYRUS] by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying.....
and even if you pick some other Anointed Servant Shepherd that isn't Cyrus...there is STILL no reason to GAP out....no GAP!
there's nothing at all in there that allows for it. it's outrageous
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Leave it to someone to skip parts of the passage.
Thats all one needs to know that honesty is not in play here
If your not going to post it all. Then why post at all.
The "he" is not messiah, It is the prince who is to come. Why even mention a prince who is to come if the prince never appears?
You still did not answer the time line,
Jesus started his ministry at his baptism, Not his messianic kingdom. which is what Gabriel was reffering.
[quote\okay: "in the midst of the week" < in the midst of week 70.....so week 70 is either totally fulfilled or partially fulfilled....do you have half or some other portion of the 70th week in the future?....where...anywhere is Daniel told there's a gap? where?[/quote]
lol.. It is NOT fulfilled complete. It starts with the 1 week covenant. And ends with the return of Christ.
Daniel is told there is a gap between the end of the 69th week. And the 70 weeks. (wars and desolations are determined. Which are still in effect. Jesus metioned this, Wars and rumers of wars)
There is no fulfiment at all in your interpretation. if jesus died 3 1/2 years later, what happened 3 1/2 years after his death to restore the city and finbish the trransgression of Isreal? NOTHING..
Thats all one needs to know that honesty is not in play here
If your not going to post it all. Then why post at all.
The "he" is not messiah, It is the prince who is to come. Why even mention a prince who is to come if the prince never appears?
You still did not answer the time line,
Jesus started his ministry at his baptism, Not his messianic kingdom. which is what Gabriel was reffering.
[quote\okay: "in the midst of the week" < in the midst of week 70.....so week 70 is either totally fulfilled or partially fulfilled....do you have half or some other portion of the 70th week in the future?....where...anywhere is Daniel told there's a gap? where?[/quote]
lol.. It is NOT fulfilled complete. It starts with the 1 week covenant. And ends with the return of Christ.
Daniel is told there is a gap between the end of the 69th week. And the 70 weeks. (wars and desolations are determined. Which are still in effect. Jesus metioned this, Wars and rumers of wars)
There is no fulfiment at all in your interpretation. if jesus died 3 1/2 years later, what happened 3 1/2 years after his death to restore the city and finbish the trransgression of Isreal? NOTHING..
THEN WHY DID THEY?
why did the MANY believe?
365 Messianic Prophecies[/quote
And which of these prophesies does it say they will know him by his baptism?? Yet again, You leave parts out of what I said. This wreaks of deception here sis. How are you going to convince me or anyone else like me when you play these games?
Still not one which showed he would be introduced by his baptism?
Do you know anything about how kings were introduced back then? Was David introduced when God told him he would be king? Many people knew david as Gods chosen king, But it was not until he was introduced that it became reality.
why did the MANY believe?
365 Messianic Prophecies[/quote
And which of these prophesies does it say they will know him by his baptism?? Yet again, You leave parts out of what I said. This wreaks of deception here sis. How are you going to convince me or anyone else like me when you play these games?
Still not one which showed he would be introduced by his baptism?
Do you know anything about how kings were introduced back then? Was David introduced when God told him he would be king? Many people knew david as Gods chosen king, But it was not until he was introduced that it became reality.
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it is CYRUS' command that we are looking at EG.
Isaiah 43:28
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid...
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee [CYRUS] by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying.....
and even if you pick some other Anointed Servant Shepherd that isn't Cyrus...there is STILL no reason to GAP out....no GAP!
there's nothing at all in there that allows for it. it's outrageous
Isaiah 43:28
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid...
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee [CYRUS] by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying.....
and even if you pick some other Anointed Servant Shepherd that isn't Cyrus...there is STILL no reason to GAP out....no GAP!
there's nothing at all in there that allows for it. it's outrageous
Cyrus commanded to rebuild Gods house (temple) only
2 Chronicles 36:23 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up
Again the temple, or house of the Lord only!
Ezra 1:2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah.
Again only the house!
Ezra 6:3 In the first year of King Cyrus, King Cyrus issued a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem: “Let the house be rebuilt, the place where they offered sacrifices; and let the foundations of it be firmly laid, its height sixty cubits and its width sixty cubits,
Non of these fulfill the command of Daniel 9. The command of Daniel 9 was to rebuild the WHOLE CITY. not just the temple.
This did not happen under cyrus..
In fact they had to stop building, because they tried to rebuild the city IN DISOBEDIENCE to the command to restore ONLY the temple! Read Ezra 4.
It happened under Artaxerxes. In his 20th year (455 BC)
Neh 2:
2 And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then the king said to me, “What do you request?”
So I prayed to the God of heaven. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Furthermore I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, let letters be given to me for the governors of the region beyond the River,[SUP][a][/SUP] that they must permit me to pass through till I come to Judah, [SUP]8 [/SUP]and a letter to Asaph the keeper of the king’s forest, that he must give me timber to make beams for the gates of the citadel which pertains to the temple,[SUP][b][/SUP] for the city wall, and for the house that I will occupy.” And the king granted them to me according to the good hand of my God upon me.
John the baptist was prophecies to make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
He taught (introduced) the people that it was him that was to come. The lamb of God.
John 1:29-30 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
John the Baptist testimony
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
God bless
He taught (introduced) the people that it was him that was to come. The lamb of God.
John 1:29-30 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
John the Baptist testimony
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
God bless
Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
That is specifically talking about the 70th week of years prophecy when GOD will fulfill the covenant with Israel. That week of years has NEVER happened and will not happen until the "the One who holds back" Satan from coming to full power as the Anti-christ, is taken out of the way. AND if the Holy Spirit is going somewhere, we have to go with HIM because Christ promised that the Holy Spirit would never leave us. Where are we going? To the Wedding of the Lamb to His Bride the Church in heaven in the New City Jerusalem, our new dwelling Place HE has prepared for us. ONCE the Holy Spirit is off this earth, then and only then can Satan come to full power as a MAJOR world dictator, who brings a false Peace to the mid-east, via a seven year Peace Treaty with Israel, allowing the third Temple to be built. Three and one half years later, the Anti-christ marches into the Temple, demands to be worshipped as GOD, and beheading all who refuse to bow to him. SO the Great Tribulation, and the 70th Week of Daniel, during which GOD seals 144,000 Jews in the mortal bodies to repopulate the Earth after Christ comes back to start His 1000 year Kingdom; is the exact same Week of Years here on Earth.
If you want to learn more about that time period in Daniel's prophecies, the best teacher on that subject, that I know of is Dr. John MacArthur. He has two MP3 series on that subject on his Grace To You site. One is called the Rise and Fall of the World, all about the Statue in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream, and the other is called The Future of Israel. Both come from the book of Daniel when Dr. MacArthur taught verse by verse through that book. The Rise and Fall of the World starts in Dan. 2:31; and The Future of Israel starts in Dan. 9:20. Grace to You
2 Thessalonians 2:1-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming ⌊of the lawless one⌋ is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. ⌊They perish⌋ because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
That is specifically talking about the 70th week of years prophecy when GOD will fulfill the covenant with Israel. That week of years has NEVER happened and will not happen until the "the One who holds back" Satan from coming to full power as the Anti-christ, is taken out of the way. AND if the Holy Spirit is going somewhere, we have to go with HIM because Christ promised that the Holy Spirit would never leave us. Where are we going? To the Wedding of the Lamb to His Bride the Church in heaven in the New City Jerusalem, our new dwelling Place HE has prepared for us. ONCE the Holy Spirit is off this earth, then and only then can Satan come to full power as a MAJOR world dictator, who brings a false Peace to the mid-east, via a seven year Peace Treaty with Israel, allowing the third Temple to be built. Three and one half years later, the Anti-christ marches into the Temple, demands to be worshipped as GOD, and beheading all who refuse to bow to him. SO the Great Tribulation, and the 70th Week of Daniel, during which GOD seals 144,000 Jews in the mortal bodies to repopulate the Earth after Christ comes back to start His 1000 year Kingdom; is the exact same Week of Years here on Earth.
If you want to learn more about that time period in Daniel's prophecies, the best teacher on that subject, that I know of is Dr. John MacArthur. He has two MP3 series on that subject on his Grace To You site. One is called the Rise and Fall of the World, all about the Statue in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream, and the other is called The Future of Israel. Both come from the book of Daniel when Dr. MacArthur taught verse by verse through that book. The Rise and Fall of the World starts in Dan. 2:31; and The Future of Israel starts in Dan. 9:20. Grace to You
2 Thessalonians 2:1-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming ⌊of the lawless one⌋ is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. ⌊They perish⌋ because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.