What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

[ChosenbyHim]

What do you believe is the "covenant" mentioned in Daniel 9:27?

Daniel 9:25-27 KJV
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


I believe the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27 is the peace treaty that the Antichrist sets up with Israel.

Here is why:


Matthew 24:15 KJV
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand


Mark 13:14 KJV
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


The "he" mentioned three times in Daniel 9:27 is a reference to the Antichrist. Any Christian can know this is so by simply comparing Scripture with Scripture.

 

[zone]

Daniel 9:25-27 KJV
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


I believe the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27 is the peace treaty that the Antichrist sets up with Israel.

Here is why:


Matthew 24:15 KJV
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand


Mark 13:14 KJV
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


The "he" mentioned three times in Daniel 9:27 is a reference to the Antichrist. Any Christian can know this is so by simply comparing Scripture with Scripture.

where's the PEACE TREATY?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

where's the PEACE TREATY?

Well although the phrase "peace treaty" is not in the Scriptures, a covenant of "peace" can clealry be seen by reading the following Scriptures:



24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. - Daniel 8:24-25 (King James Bible)



2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden desuctitron cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 (King James Bible)


And this covenant that the antichrist signs with Israel will be for seven years, but of course we know from the Holy Scriptures that he will break this covenant with Israel within the midst (middle) of the seven years of the time of Jacob's trouble (Dan. 9:27).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it doesn't say at the end of the seventy weeks (70 years) all of Israel's (every member of the nation) sin (rebellion against God) would come to an end'.

it's talking about what Jesus would do - for them. and the result of that being identical to what Christian today receive.

As we have been through this so many times. I will just respond to this.

1. 70 weaks are determined FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND CITY! (not the world. and not for salvation)
2. TO finish the transgression

Finish to put to an end, to complete

Israels transgression is not yet complete

This did not happen, thus is not yet completed!

 

[watcher2013]

Well although the phrase "peace treaty" is not in the Scriptures, a covenant of "peace" can clealry be seen by reading the following Scriptures:



24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. - Daniel 8:24-25 (King James Bible)



2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden desuctitron cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 (King James Bible)


And this covenant that the antichrist signs with Israel will be for seven years, but of course we know from the Holy Scriptures that he will break this covenant with Israel within the midst (middle) of the seven years of the time of Jacob's trouble (Dan. 9:27).

Israel has peace treaty with Egypt and Syria,
Which Peace Treaty it is and in which country?

 

[watcher2013]

As we have been through this so many times. I will just respond to this.

1. 70 weaks are determined FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND CITY! (not the world. and not for salvation)
2. TO finish the transgression

Finish to put to an end, to complete

Israels transgression is not yet complete

This did not happen, thus is not yet completed!

[Isa 53:8] KJV He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Is there someone in future to be cut off for the transgression of Isreal, or was Jesus not enough?

 

[zone]

Well although the phrase "peace treaty" is not in the Scriptures, a covenant of "peace" can clealry be seen by reading the following Scriptures:


24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. - Daniel 8:24-25 (King James Bible)

chosen, if i do a WORD SEARCH for the word peace, can i attribute every passage to the Antichrist (in our future)?

pretty sure Daniel 8:25 is about Antiochus Epiphanes
that's long ago fulfilled.

1 Maccabees 6:1–19 (NRSV) - " King Antiochus was going through the upper provinces when he heard that Elymais ..." - Biblia.com

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden desuctitron cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 (King James Bible)

And this covenant that the antichrist signs with Israel will be for seven years, but of course we know from the Holy Scriptures that he will break this covenant with Israel within the midst (middle) of the seven years of the time of Jacob's trouble (Dan. 9:27).

hold up....what covenant?
no covenant was mentioned in those passages you quoted.

what SIGNING? what is signed? where does the Bible say anybody signs anything?

7 years - WHERE DID YOU GET THE SEVEN YEARS?

where is there anything about anyone breaking a covenant (hmm.....which covenant...and who broke it? was there a new one planned)?

 

[zone]

As we have been through this so many times. I will just respond to this.

1. 70 weaks are determined FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND CITY! (not the world. and not for salvation)
2. TO finish the transgression

Finish to put to an end, to complete

Israels transgression is not yet complete

This did not happen, thus is not yet completed!

EG - just because some jewish people in the State of Israel and elsewhere aren't Christians doesn't mean ancient Israel's transgression isn't finished as far as God is concerned.

the ones who entered the gracious New Covenant were forgiven and saved.
those who didn't, weren't.



Daniel 8:23
"In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

^ antiochus....etc....

then comes herod & ceaser & titus.....(chapter 11) end 70 weeks

Matthew 23:32
Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

Acts 9:23
After many days had gone by, there was a conspiracy among the Jews to kill him,

Acts 13:45
When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him.

Acts 13:50
But the Jewish leaders incited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region.

Acts 14:2
But the Jews who refused to believe stirred up the other Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers.

the Covenant Curses:

Matthew 23
Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
31"So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32"Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

that's over...right?

70 weeks were determined...and fulfilled. no gap.

so now what do we have?

just the Gospel - for everyone.

 

[Katy-follower]

What do you believe is the "covenant" mentioned in Daniel 9:27?

We don't need theologians to figure this out, the Holy Spirit should be our guide in all things. We just can't twist scripture to fit with a chosen theology.

It's very obvious that the reason many fight this scripture is because it's the main one that disproves the 70AD view! The only way one can make it fit is to twist the scriptures. What happens is they end up claiming that the Roman prince to come is actually speaking of Jesus. This is what Rome wanted.. anything to divert attention away from them.

What do the scriptures say?............


Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people (Romans) of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."


Yes, Messiah was cut off (fulfilled)
The Romans then destroyed the temple (fulfilled)
The future prince who is to come (not yet fulfilled) - it says the people who destroyed the temple (Romans) are of the prince to come, so we know the future prince ('man of sin') is someone from Rome (aka revived Roman empire, as confirmed in various scriptures).

Continuing......

Daniel 9:27: "Then he (roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);
But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs)
he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

Verse 27 is not Jesus, it is the future 'man of sin'.

In addition to this, throughout the entire bible God is always referred to with a capital - Him, He, His. Everyone else, especially the enemy, is always a lower case. Verse 26 shows "Himself" and verse 27 shows "he".


Watcher - the covenant will be some kind of peace treaty with Israel and many, but it will be broken half way through. The treaty will have something in it of benefit to the Jews, to win them over, one of which could be a temple maybe, and this could be what motivates Jews around the world to return to Israel, if the persecution doesn't already do that.


2 Peter 3:16: "....as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - just because some jewish people in the State of Israel and elsewhere aren't Christians doesn't mean ancient Israel's transgression isn't finished as far as God is concerned.

the ones who entered the gracious New Covenant were forgiven and saved.
those who didn't, weren't.

I can not twist it to say this.

Your people, Your city.

His people are still in sin, His city lies in ruins (even till this day)

so how could it be fulfilled? It never has been..

God does not give prophesy which only partially comes true, He gives prophesy which literally (co0mpletely) comes true

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Israel has peace treaty with Egypt and Syria,
Which Peace Treaty it is and in which country?

What does that have to do with the "covenant with the many"?

It is not just a covenant with Israel. It is one with HIM and other countries, with Israel as one of the participants.


And he confirms the covenant, it was most likely already in place. He enforces it. Until he breaks it.

 

[zone]

I can not twist it to say this.

Your people, Your city.

His people are still in sin, His city lies in ruins (even till this day)

so how could it be fulfilled? It never has been..

God does not give prophesy which only partially comes true, He gives prophesy which literally (co0mpletely) comes true

okay.
so you're banking it all on the 70th week gap, right?

that's the whole foundation.

ttyl.

 

[zone]

What does that have to do with the "covenant with the many"?

It is not just a covenant with Israel. It is one with HIM and other countries, with Israel as one of the participants.


And he confirms the covenant, it was most likely already in place. He enforces it. Until he breaks it.

This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins - Matthew 26:28

....

just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." - Matthew 20:28

why ppl keep attributing the work of the Cross to satan or Antichrist i do not know.
EG please, please try to see it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins - Matthew 26:28

....

That would be great, But that is not what Daniel is told.

He (the prince to come) will confirm a covenant with many. And in the middle of the week, HE will put and end, by committing the abomination. The same abomination Jesus spoke of in matt 24..

just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life

as a ransom for many." - Matthew 20:28

why ppl keep attributing the work of the Cross to satan or Antichrist i do not know.
EG please, please try to see it.

See what? You trying to make a covenant in the end of days by a prince of rome before that same prince speaks many abominations and puffs himself up to Be God while commiting an abomination which causes desolation with the cross??

I can't do that. I refuse to do what I see people doing and have to twist scripture, just so I can make my belief seem real.

Why, on the other had, do you want to take things spoken of by even Christ himself as the end of days to the cross??

As you said, Please try to see it!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

okay.
so you're banking it all on the 70th week gap, right?

that's the whole foundation.

ttyl.

Nope. I am banking it all on What God said through Gabriel

He will cause the people of Daniel to stop their transgression, and the Holy City of Daniel to no longer be in ruins to be the fulfment of the prophesy. Thus until this happens, the prophesy will not be fulfilled.

I can not make gabriel say something he did not say, just because I do not want to see some gap.

Prophesy is what makes God the real God. It proves who he is, All prophesy up till the cross was literally fulfilled. so why do we want to take all prophesy AFTER the cross symbolically?

God is not the author of confusion. and he does not change his ways, he is the same today as he was in the days of the OT prophets!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

His people are still in sin, His city lies in ruins (even till this day)

GOD's people are not still in sin. They've been washed and cleansed and made holy.

Jerusalem's in ruins? You've got to be kidding.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

GOD's people are not still in sin. They've been washed and cleansed and made holy.

Jerusalem's in ruins? You've got to be kidding.

1. Christians are not daniels people. Israel is. Daniel was not praying for saved Gentiles (of which there were many in his day) but for his blood bretheryn.
2. It is not in ruins?

A. You have three major religions in the city
B. There is no temple in the city (of which God said would be the center of worship for all people)
C. The city is in a state of war between Islam, CHristianity, and Judaism.
D. There is a Dome of Satanic religion sitting on what is the supposed sight of Gods house

Yes, it is in ruins.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

1. Christians are not daniels people. Israel is. Daniel was not praying for saved Gentiles (of which there were many in his day) but for his blood bretheryn.

But multitudes of his people were washed and cleansed and made holy during and after Pentecost.

 

[zone]

But multitudes of his people were washed and cleansed and made holy during and after Pentecost.

who.....was this Book written to?
look how it speaks of animal sacrifices ceasing.
and why.
a perfect sacrifice, in a body prepared for Him; He came to do God's Will - what Will?


And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

...

Hebrews 10:1–18
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All

1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.

10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.

12But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.


15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

17then he adds,

“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

...

where there is forgiveness of sins by the once for all offering of He Who was CUT OFF (not for Himself)...there is no more offering for sin. the old ceased. a new and better covenant was provided....FOR ISRAEL.

the 70 weeks - to provide an end of sins; make reconciliation for iniquity; and bring in everlasting righteousness. aren't these all the things we say Jesus Christ Our Lord accomplished?

isn't this HOW God was reconciling the world to Himself even while we were yet sinners?
didn't Christ come to redeem those who were under the Law?

but...for some reason....some just insist on claiming these promises were never received by Israel!
or worse..others say never promised to them at all.

why? how did this happen?

 

[zone]

That would be great, But that is not what Daniel is told.
He (the prince to come) will confirm a covenant with many. And in the middle of the week, HE will put and end, by committing the abomination. The same abomination Jesus spoke of in matt 24..

Antecedent
Antecedent (grammar) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the he (proper noun) in the opening of the verse has an antecedent > the subject of the first clause....Christ!

the prince of the second clause is not a proper subject, not an antecedent.

the people of the second clause are the subject - the prince is a modifier of the subject of the second clause (the people)....the prince is not a subject in itself, EG.


the roman soldiers had to have a leader....but this leader is so important to that brief but critical period of the jews' history, that he is mentioned in the 70 weeks determined PASSAGE - but NEITHER the people nor their prince is included in the 70 weeks.

the 70 weeks are strictly about what was determined in response to Daniel's prayer, EG....for Israel.

The Lord, as always, with the promises included the judgments.

"that which is decreed" is that which the Lord Himself decreed in words while He was with them. and Daniel was shown in advance. this is why Jesus mentioned Daneil as the key, the prophecy those JEWS with ears to hear would know was the SIGNAL to flee the city and Judea.

Matthew 23
Lament over Jerusalem
37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

Luke 19
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
43"For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation."

Josephus says Titus didn't even want the destruction to be so devastating - that the soldiers went nuts themselves when they saw the gold and tore every stone apart trying to get the melting; flowing gold from the burning temple.

Titus is the prince of the roman soldiers who destroyed the city...by the decree of God Almighty!

he is important because he was the TENTH king (caesar) in the line of 10 kings - who ruled during the life of Christ.

Daniel already told us in Chapter 2 that IN THE DAYS OF THOSE KINGS the Lord would set up a kingdom that would be an everlasting kingdom.

how can we, as forgiven and saved people turn around and say this kingdom didn't come - The Lord didn't accomplish the things in Daniel 9?

how? we're not saved either then.

we can't lift "the prince who is to come" out of the whole thing and drag him into a murky futurist scenario.

Titus was in Daniel's (and the Israelites') future! that's why he was the prince who was to come. his people did the killing and destruction...he was the general....the son of a Caesar..later made King Caesar himself.

it's on record! there's an Arch in Rome!