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To Welshman , What I said was, You don't know the "full" meaning oh how God saves His elect ones. And the half that you know, you mess up and twist it out of context so it is only half true. SOOOO, I would say, you guys are left with a quarter of the truth. Not a good batting average. 250. LOL It is a good thing that God doesn't requirer 100%, OR you, and I, would be in HOT water. Elin need to be flexible when it comes to the workings of the Trinity, The three persons of the Godhead overlap in many of their roles. All three are active in the application of salvation to us. It is 3:40 pm, Monday and I had a busy day and looking at a nap. We scrapped and chiziled and painted part of my flat cement roof. I never before built with rods and cement in the states, It is tough, hard work, doing it for the first time, and in a foreign country, learning the hard way. But saved a lot of money .being my own boss and engener, Hirered 4 men . used all my savings ,Half of my retirerment and much to do yet. rain alot in the Winter,LOL and is very hot. We hope to come to the states for a preaching tour next Fall. Looking for engagements. Love to all, Hoffco
 

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Loving and respecting Jesus for what he has done who he really is and all that is yet to come is the law? If you love Jesus you'll walk in him, he will kp you as he ought? Thank you lord for simple ness in your grace and love... Law? You kp it if u want bt you best not break one yodh of it ? Or you break it all......
walking as he (Christ) walked in first believing God to have past tense taken away the sin issue, and through his death at the cross he has cleansed you, why? Because Father who knows no sin, can't see sin in order to give one new life in him, and Father knows whether we believe and are going to trust him or not. So then Father has Mercy on whom Father will. And is why the flesh is still fighting God and wanting its own way, saying watch this or that, look at me and what I do, watch my smoke Father as I go door to door preaching your word, telling others they better believe and do what is right or you are going to get them.
When Father is not pleased by any flesh self work, that wants or desires to be noticed, by God or others, wrong motive you all, you decide though ask Father through Son. Cause without what Son has done at the cross, there is no talking to Father, one has to be considered perfect to talk to Father, and that only way is through what Son has already done. There is no getting cleaned up first. how can that be when by Christ we are cleansed in and through the cross, the resting place in the Spirit of God trusting God to do the lead, by the resurrected Christ
Thanks
The below is the Gospel per Paul
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23[/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
 

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when we close our eyes there is our own spirit inside of our body. now we know that we also have our body of flesh and that our spirit dwells inside it. our spirit says to our body "get up and put your clothes on" and our body obeys the voice of our spirit and does so. our spirits voice say to our hand "brush your teeth" and our hands get the toothpaste and the toothbrush and begins to do so.

(pardon me if i explain this in a mundane fashion),,,i know this is something we all understand. we do this very thing though without considering it much though and so we take the process for granted(seeing we've all done this from birth),,but the process,since this is the fashion of our created creature is the same in the deeper matters as in the simple ones.

as if a man get's in an airplane and moves it's control's and the airplane when told by the man "turn left" turns left or "fly straight" it obeys,,,the same if you say to your hands with your spirits voice "put the bread in my mouth",your hand does not pick it up and rub it in your hair instead. that is your body of flesh is a faithful servant to your spirit and always obeys your spirits voice.

the same your body obeys your spirits voice as to the way it believes in salvation. that is one person looks at the cross and see's the Crucifixion and says in their spirits mind "the lord has saved me on the cross,i by grace have obtained salvation",,,now past the belief that Jesus has purchased salvation for them what thing will this person's spirit say to their body of flesh to do? will the spirit of the one who believes that they have been saved say to their body "do this and you will be saved"?,,,you see they will have no need to do so.

that is since they believe that the lord saved them at the cross and that this work is complete will instead say to their body "leap with joy,sing the song of thanks that my spirits heart is singing" and this is the work that this person's spirits lips will have their body's flesh jump up and begin to do. this person's spirit says to their body of flesh "rest from your works of salvation,it is complete and whole,rest from your works in the rest of the lord",,,you will see them doing these works,the very thing their spirit believes they will tell their body to do.

and again their is another person,and they recite the words they have heard over and over. they say out of their mouths "the lord is my Savior",,,and they say to their tongue "make the noises that say the lord is crucified for my salvation" and their body of flesh obeys and makes the noises,but something is left wanting.

if you watch them real close,although they recite the things they hear the others say from the scriptures they also say to their bodies of flesh "dig through the scriptures to see what work needs to be done by me to obtain salvation",,they says to their body with their spirits lips "if i tell my body to do this today then i am saved,but if i do not tell my body to do it i am not",,,they say to their body "today eat this and you will be saved",,and tomorrow they say "do not eat this and i will be saved",,,you see in their spirits mind,though they say with their mouths Jesus is their Savior their works the same confess what they in truth believe.

that is they are not at rest from their works unto salvation. day after day they think of a new thing to be done to receive they very salvation they say aloud to everyone that Christ gave them. there is never rest from the carnal law once the person begins to preform the works of self salvation they are condemned to keep the whole law and day after day say to their body to preform another work to become saved(Galatians 5;3)

these are those who have made grace of no effect(Galatians 5;4)one has their hands out cupped together like a bowel and that person is praying and hoping for salvation. on the other hand the other person has his hands held out cupped like a bowel and their has are full of the hope of salvation. one is still under the yoke of the law and the other the yoke is removed. one is in peace and the other is in agony one is still under the schoolmaster,while the other not,,,

rest from the works of the law there is no need to say to your body do the works of saving your own selves when it is proper to say to your body with your spirits lips Jesus has preformed the work of your salvation. none will seek a Savior if he has complete belief that he is the possession of the Savior,and all who cannot confess that the works of salvation are complete in the Crucifixion of Christ will seek after a salvation seeing they do not believe it exist,,,,,these are the two laws one applies to the one and the other the others are bound to,,,
Thanks for that insight and ere is some more about the Spirit of God, you read and decide:

This comes from sight: The Flesh –Our Sin Nature

[h=1]The Flesh –Our Sin Nature[/h]Although this was described in a previous section, it deserves more discussion. In the garden of Eden, Eve ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so that she would be like God –able to decide what was right and wrong for herself and everyone around her. As her children, we are all that very same way –opinionated and judgmental –gods of our own ways.
[h=2]Sensual Desires[/h] The flesh (or sin nature) desires what is pleasing to the senses. The aroma of a favorite food stirs a craving that grows in our mind –often enhancing the expectation of that food's taste beyond what it can possibly fulfill. The same is true for each of our senses. We are sensual beings. Our senses draw our attention to the things of this world that we do not already have: more education; a better job; new clothes; a bigger dwelling; more food; a shinier car; less demanding relationships; compassionate friends; children that are more respectful; a kinder, prettier, sexier and more accepting mate...
Even as Christians, sensual desires never leave us –not as long as we live in this world. It's normal, common, natural, for us to want to fulfill these desires. That's an inseparably part of who we are as human beings. When combined with the fact that we decide what is right or fair for us to have in life (inherited from Eve), our emotions clearly reveal that fallen, sensual nature. Desires that are not satisfied cause us to feel hurt, disappointed, rejected, frustrated, angry –and above all we are anxious in anticipation of what will happen next. The flesh is always worried about not getting its way –having what is good for us –having what we rightly deserve.
Up to this point we have looked at how the law entices us to sin. But taking the law away does not take away the desire to sin –to fulfill the desires of the flesh– and reap the associated emotions and anxieties.
Sin naturally lives in our flesh –like glowing embers smoldering within us– and the law is like gasoline. Attempting to follow the law corresponds to pouring that explosive fuel onto the embers. The result is disastrous and predictable –we all have experienced them time and time again. Paul talked about it in Romans 7.
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. (Romans 7:15-20)​
[h=2]We are New Creations[/h]
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:1-4)​
So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! (2 Corinthians 5:16-17)​
Although our thoughts can seem to be on many things at once, the fact is that we can only think about one thing at a time. Our minds merely jump from one thought to another in rapid succession. But by submitting to God's ways –as new creations in Christ– these desires can be displaced by turning our focus onto Jesus.
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.​
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you. (Philippians 4:4-9)​
Here are different ways to look at the same concept.
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. (Colossians 3:1-3)​
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:2)​
Everyone says, "That sounds fine, but it's not that easy!" Of course it's not easy. There really is a war going on within your mind. But you can be the victor by submitting to God's thoughts about His Son. As you practice yielding to Him, the battles will become less and less intense. It takes practice –real effort and there will be many battles to face each day.
Saying to yourself "I will not think about my desires" absolutely will not achieve the wanted results. It's because that the very phrase "I will not..." becomes a law that your flesh will rebel against. You will be putting gasoline on those embers once again.
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. (Galatians 5:16-18)​
The only path to victory is through prayer and meditation on Jesus. When you are at at rest with Him in your mind, you will also be at rest from your desires.
Continue reading: "In Summary...: The Law and sin are partners –the first gives power to the other."

[h=2]Law (Legalism) vs. Grace[/h]What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, 'Do not covet.' But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. (Romans 7:7-8 - NIV)
 
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I notice hoffco has lumped me and you h/bound as heretics really we are spreading false salvation according to him? I encourage every reader go bk to start of thread and see how much blame venom accusation as come from his posts and contrast mine il let others judge I'm not going to argue with hoffco as he on my ignore list simply to protect myself from poisonous words. Lets deal with facts shall we? Our Jewish brothers have broke and not heeded rev 22 v 18/22 this in itself is enough tho there's more not accepting some old prophets as prophets ignoring much Old Testament, I could go on listing error bt the above alone are so huge in themselves il not then seek to argue with such, its futile they have and still do not realise who Jesus really is and undermine all his redemptive purpose and works? Scandalous it is yet they wish to yoke me in the same web? I've said many many times there has bn no greater sinner than me by his mercy he called me and sustains me and he himself has told me many times my grace is sufficient for you Kevin when you stumble when you fall?, bt none can take you out my hand never ever ever alive dead makes no odds I'm his sealed til the day when the sons of god shall be revealed? Did law tell me this? Did obedience ? Never I was disobedient at best? Nothing earthly told me these things nothing? Thank you lord for saving a sinner like me ... Jesus/ friend/ lord/ master and much more besides
 

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To iamsoandso, you are a perfect example of the error of Homward and welshman, You say, "Don't do anything, Jesus has already saved us on the cross". NO WAY. Jesus said, we must Repent, Trust Him and Obey Him to be saved.You
three have a very dangerious UNIVERSALISM view of salvation. CAN you not see, IF jesus did it all on the cross, then all are saved... No evangelizing is needed, Jesus has saved us on the cross... Hoffco
hoffco love you man, as deep as Savior loves you, so deep that one stops their works and trusts in Father's works
and as the Israelites worked hard, as in their own works they never entered into God's rest why? Because they could not put down their own works and just believe, receive and thus become a doer by belief as Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job in the midst of all their adversity these Saints stood in Faith, as is what we three are doing, praying you see it is all God and none of us. This salvation is out of bounds to this world's and flesh comprehension. Only God in God's Spirit can reveal this to you, and I do see you have asked, yet your own flesh fights to work, and can not rest in belief that Christ has done it all for you so you can rest and thus do more than you have ever done, yet now with a joy, without the stress that all flesh brings in worry. This is what Christ came to do Brother, not steal, kill and destroy as what flesh does in never being good enough or thinking it is, being self-righteous, either way we still fall short. It is only found in the cross of Christ, the power of God's righteousness is hidden right there, the mystery of the Gospel, Just ask God to show you the truth that sets you free from your personal bondage that you are in? Do you believe that the truth will set you free? If you do and if you are in bondage still, then would there not have to be error in your truth that is keeping you from being set free? Maybe it is time to re-think your truth and be set free to Love as God loves 1 cor. 13:4-13, best description and can only be done through you by God, for no flesh can do that type of love, not perfectly can it?
Love you, praying for you and pray foe me too, Thanks
 
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-#3503...cnt recall name soz bt great post
 
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Dear hoffco instead of repeating what you've wrote brother why cnt you try view me homeward bound and iamondso as brothers trying to show you there is no need for you to strive no need be defensive no need view us as heretics with our view of salvation we are simply trying to say Jesus already loves you chose you called you irrespective of what you decide to do in your life, he judged your response in your heart the first time he spoke to you, he knew then the end result ? He knew when you do recieve full truth by sight all your shortcomings misunderstandings, would be covered by grace his grace? He knew you believed that he sent his son and you did believe? This is all god wants? Your belief in his son? Simple it is but its truth. He who began a good work bro.you know the rest? Hoffco we all love you but you test like the patience of job sometimes bro but its out of love we seek to convince not strife and unbrotherly words ..amen
 

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To Homward, You lie, by not quoting Col.1:23 with v22.! v.223 says,"IF indeed you continue in the Faith,..." IN a real sense, our sal. is conditional upon our continuing in Faith to the end. There are sooo many verses the tell us to be holy or we will be lost. YOU MUST tell the WHOLE truth ,or you lie.!! PLEASE tell the WHOLE TRUTH. Love to all. Hoffco
Okay let's look at the whole there:
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
It is by belief and belief alone in God that God saves us, and we do not sit and do nothing or take advantage of God's amazing grace to all who believe. Yet if one believes, did or does take it for granted, does that make God's grace void? God forbid. let every man be a liar, God is Faithful and truthful in all God says God has done. all that is left after the cross and ascension of Christ is either belief or unbelief. consciously aware of one's choice, wherefore at time of Judgment no man will have an excuse, as to where they are going. I do not preach an universal Salvation, for how would I know if all will come to belief or not, Only God the Father knows and I trust God the Father to do God the Father's Job through me being only God's vessel by the power of his Spirit who came to live in me, on that very first day I chose to belief God, and be taught from God truth that has to this very day set me free in him, God's Spirit now living not just In me more importantly through me as in the day of Pentecost without all the hoopla, Getting all excited in the five senses that distort truth.
Love you deeper than you might know, God looks out for your best interest if we will only reside and rest in God, Then God can do the living of truth through us, if we get out of the way
 

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to iamsoandso,
good to hear you say, "many will be raise to damnation," So, you don't believe in a universal sal. for all. Good.! Now, why? How? , What ? are you saving Jesus saved us on the cross? Are you saying Jesus saved only the "elect" on the cross? homward said, Jesus saved "US" on the cross. WHO is the "US" Hoffco
He did, and is waiting for us all to make the choice, either to believe God or not
 

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To Josh., Sorry, you don't know how God saved sinners in the Old Test. God saved by the blood of Jesus on the Cross. The immediate O.T. context of salvation was on the bases of the animal sacrifice, BUT, we know , the blood of animals can not save. But the O.T. saints were not saved by keeping the Law. Keeping the law ,was imperfect, and it only showed their faith in the grace,mercy of God. Hoffco
The Old Testament Saints were looking forward to the cross:
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

These were all counted as righteous from God because they believed God. So God had them do and they did as God said, just as Jesus did, the difference is Jesus did it perfectly born of the virgin Mary. Christ came to earth in the flesh to give us new life in the Spirit of God, Christ being a life-giving Spirit to all that will believe God and is a done deal through the cross, past the death, it is in the resurrection, but we all though belief go through the death with Christ first in order that we might see the resurrected life in the Spirit
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

There is the doorway Brother through death to self? Can a seed have life without first being dead in the ground?
 
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Calling homwardbound a liar , is simply not acceptable brother? Even if he is wrong and I dnt think he is bt even so if he is wrong does that make him a liar? Mistaken misguided perhaps that's an argue ment bt a liar? Uncalled for? This why I cnt talk with you? Hostile accusational, damn right rude n all bt you reveal much of your inner calculus by your words? And your words will judge you not me/ homewardbound/ or any other person? Your own words brother??????
 

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In Colossians 1:23 we see the statement εἴγεἐπιμένετε . εἴis follwed by the present indicative verb ἐπιμένετε which means "continue". This tells us that Paul is clearly confident in regards to the Christians present spiritual condition. The indicative in Koine Greek is a statement of fact. it carries the force of "I am confident" because Paul assumes that there experience is real. It must be understood that Paul is taking into consideration that some among them may nit be truly saved in which case they will not continue in the faith. τῇπίστειτεθεμελιωμένοι(in the faith grounded). Paul qualifies the first phrase by stating that if the condition is real then you are grounded in the faith.

The argument for loss of salvation here is greatly weakened by the Grammatical structures of this text.

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Therefore I am continuing in trust that God does love me and all unconditionally, seeing that it is God's kindness through Christ. that has taught and teaches me to walk as Christ walked in dependence on Father 100% as Christ did nothing and or said nothing without Father's lead, which as Christ said only Father is good
Matt 19 read it about the rich man, where he said hey good master and Jesus replied only his Father is good. Can we see this or are we going to go out and create smoke, shuffling our feet as if we are good, when no one is except Father?
May be it is time to ask Father to live through us as Father did through Christ, taking no credit for himself? Just maybe hmm!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder could this be?
 

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I have said enough for one morning. I need to go back to bed for a couple more hours before day break. YOU three, need to study more in the N.T. to see how God, Jesus, saves His "people" from their sins. AND, our responsiblity to: "Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine, continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you" 1Tim.4:16 It is 4am. in the Philippines, Good morning to you all. be blessed of God.! Love to all Hoffco, Doug
If anyone could have ever saved self, then the cross is void
 

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To Timberdoodle, you are half true, add this, the indictive is "continual action in the present" . And , the "IF" clause can be "since" you continue, but it still means "IF" you continue , Paul is saying, and I know, some of you "will" and some of you "won't" continue. . AND, Paul would never say, any one saved could lose their salvation,NO WAY, Paul believed, "once saved always saved". Be blessed, Hoffco
If once saved then always saved why are you arguing against scripture that says by Christ's finished work we are saved if we believe. or does it just seem this way from you?
 

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Only if God is, or could.

The Father is the one who established the separate works of the Trinity.


Actually, it is what Scripture says it is.

And what we find in Scripture is that administrator and mediator are two different operations in the Trinity.
The Son accomplished the work, and the Holy Spirit is the power of God at work applying its benefits.

As mediator, Christ interposed between God and the elect, effecting reconciliation by his atoning sacrifice,
which purchased the benefits of the New Covenant with his blood.

As surety and guarantee of the New Covenant, Christ guarantees
that we will keep our part of the covenant (faith), and
that God will keep his part of the covenant (salvation).

The Holy Spirit then applies (administers) the benefits of the covenant to God's elect--new birth, faith, conviction of sin, repentance, forgiveness, justification, illumination, witnessing/testifying, sanctification, transformation, preservation in faith, glorification.

God is the one who established the different roles in the Trinity,
and they are not needles in a haystack, nor are they swallowing a camel.

Most inappropriate.
Depicting and separating can and does many a times lead to self works that no flesh can or will ever please God the Father, only Christ's flesh did this, so we can die to self in belief through the cross. Starting at the death so that we might see this new life in God' Spirit that is freely given to us, if we believe God to have past tense taken care of us through Son. Work hard though not to be righteous in self, rather to enter Father's rest, that those first chosen did not enter because of unbelief, HEBREWS 3 ANS 4, pretty clear on this, yet some translations have taken out the unbelieving part and have put being obedient in its place that leads to self works efforts added to the cross of Christ. and thus denies the power there of.
 

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Were they ever alive spiritually?

When did it occur?
First a living Soul and then dead to this living soul, by becoming alive in the flesh, not the Spirit, for they had not eaten from the tree of life yet. This tree of live is Christ, take of my body and eat, drink of my blood, this is the new Covenant, where Christ is at that time saying to his disciples that he is about to take on the sins of the whole world, John the Baptist a witness to this fact in John 1:29
The living of God's Spirit occurred in those disciples on and at Pentecost. In the Old Testament God's Spirit did not live in us, came to those of old and spoke to the people through the Prophets, and today through the Son
[h=3]Hebrews 1:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2 [/SUP]hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3 [/SUP]who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

We are sealed with this Holy Spirit of promise from God the Father, the very first day of belief
Ephesians 1:13
in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Maybe it is time to ask God to live through us, and not just in us, does a man put his lamp under the lampstand or on the lampstand for all to see?
Who is the Lamp and where is the lampstand?
 

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Were they ever alive spiritually?

When did it occur?
First a living Soul and then dead to this living soul, by becoming alive in the flesh, not the Spirit, for they had not eaten from the tree of life yet. This tree of live is Christ, take of my body and eat, drink of my blood, this is the new Covenant, where Christ is at that time saying to his disciples that he is about to take on the sins of the whole world, John the Baptist a witness to this fact in John 1:29
The living of God's Spirit occurred in those disciples on and at Pentecost. In the Old Testament God's Spirit did not live in us, came to those of old and spoke to the people through the Prophets, and today through the Son
[h=3]Hebrews 1:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2 [/SUP]hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3 [/SUP]who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

We are sealed with this Holy Spirit of promise from God the Father, the very first day of belief
Ephesians 1:13
in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Maybe it is time to ask God to live through us, and not just in us, does a man put his lamp under the lampstand or on the lampstand for all to see?
Who is the Lamp and where is the lampstand?
 

homwardbound

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Did you forget to give me the Scriptures where those two phrases are found?
here you go, I know you have read yes? Maybe you missed these as I have as well, for we either walk of flesh or the Spirit of God each and every day, anyway here you go.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 

homwardbound

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So now me n homeward bound are to blame are we? We dnt know anything of gods salvation plan ? Really hoffco ? Would be funny if it weren't so serious? Il not even reply to such inane comments?
many things are said and God teaches us to not walk by flesh, and get into arguments, just let some things be, and ask God whether to reply or not and if so seek God's words through us, and let it be.
Christ himself was condemned by the self-righteous, that even comes to those that believe and say oh look at me. I am doing so well, and the self-flesh gets puffed up and when another attacks it gets mad, Careful Brother that flesh is always hanging around trying to get it's selfish way, playing God.
Love from God to us all