What Laws are still valid to christians

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homwardbound

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I notice hoffco has lumped me and you h/bound as heretics really we are spreading false salvation according to him? I encourage every reader go bk to start of thread and see how much blame venom accusation as come from his posts and contrast mine il let others judge I'm not going to argue with hoffco as he on my ignore list simply to protect myself from poisonous words. Lets deal with facts shall we? Our Jewish brothers have broke and not heeded rev 22 v 18/22 this in itself is enough tho there's more not accepting some old prophets as prophets ignoring much Old Testament, I could go on listing error bt the above alone are so huge in themselves il not then seek to argue with such, its futile they have and still do not realise who Jesus really is and undermine all his redemptive purpose and works? Scandalous it is yet they wish to yoke me in the same web? I've said many many times there has bn no greater sinner than me by his mercy he called me and sustains me and he himself has told me many times my grace is sufficient for you Kevin when you stumble when you fall?, bt none can take you out my hand never ever ever alive dead makes no odds I'm his sealed til the day when the sons of god shall be revealed? Did law tell me this? Did obedience ? Never I was disobedient at best? Nothing earthly told me these things nothing? Thank you lord for saving a sinner like me ... Jesus/ friend/ lord/ master and much more besides
Just writing and not to anyone necessarily Welshman. I know you stand in belief of Christ and through that you have receive new life and are as I am as well growing in this amazing Salvation, that you or I never had anything to do with, and thanks for God revealing this to you, I know of no other way than through the cross
[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
I personally know of anywhere it is written to figure it out, I do see numerous times it says have Faith, which is trust, so that leaves in who self or God who through Christ has placed Mercy while yet no one deserves it at our feet to believe or not believe, Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wondering
 

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Calling homwardbound a liar , is simply not acceptable brother? Even if he is wrong and I dnt think he is bt even so if he is wrong does that make him a liar? Mistaken misguided perhaps that's an argue ment bt a liar? Uncalled for? This why I cnt talk with you? Hostile accusational, damn right rude n all bt you reveal much of your inner calculus by your words? And your words will judge you not me/ homewardbound/ or any other person? Your own words brother??????
maybe it is nothing else but one's flesh that is fighting not to be dead to self, trying to obey, not be able to see that self flesh just can't accomplish this? Could be on the way to the end of the energy of self flesh and thus decide to die with Christ to self, so that he night be able to see the new life that Christ came to give us those that do believe, which is life in the Spirit of God, a free gift from God the Father shown to us through the resurrected Christ
Phil 3 a good read, Romans 6 - 8 another truth read about the fight of flesh self and the new life in God's Spirit, the discerning of the two. Galatians 3 another place to show the same truth. Flesh or the Spirit of God one or the other is in control. ??? And we all daily make the choice in which to follow?
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Bottom line Law no Law grace no grace, or even mixing the two, no matter it all boils down to either I am walking in the flesh that can never please God or the Spirit of God where that is the only safe place to be, here and now being in this unredeemed flesh, therefore I consider this unredeemed flesh dead by the operation of God through the cross of Christ
The way, the truth and the life:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 

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Elin need to be flexible when it comes to the workings of the Trinity,
The three persons of the Godhead overlap in many of their roles.
Examples would be helpful.
 
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I am we're he would have me at any moment in my life, even if unaware, I know inside he there with me, I've resolved to trusting his word even when my last breath draws nothing I can do can alter gods will for my life, I've resolved this in my heart n mind nothing can change this fact? I'm christs for praise or destruction ? Tis The Lord who comforts me its for the former not the latter, and I will indeed praise him who called?
 
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Il not strive with some as I did at first bt 175 pages later I've learnt what to reply too and what not..
 

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Elin said:
homwardbound said:
looking for a needle in a haystack are we?
watch out could swallow a camel in doing so
Only if God is. . .or could.

The Father is the one who established the separate works of the Trinity.
It is what it is, Christ administered the /new Covenant and mediates it after the cross that administers it to the believer. where it is finished and done, we are made holy and acceptable unto Father by Christ again COL. 1:22, CAN YOU OR ANYONE IMPROVE ON THAT
Actually, it is what Scripture says it is.

And what we find in Scripture is that administrator and mediator are two different operations in the Trinity.
The Son accomplished the work, and the Holy Spirit is the power of God at work applying its benefits.

As mediator, Christ interposed between God and the elect, effecting reconciliation by his atoning sacrifice,
which purchased the benefits of the New Covenant with his blood.

As surety and guarantee of the New Covenant, Christ guarantees
that we will keep our part of the covenant (faith), and
that God will keep his part of the covenant (salvation).

The Holy Spirit then applies (administers) the benefits of the covenant to God's elect--new birth, faith, conviction of sin, repentance, forgiveness, justification, illumination, witnessing/testifying, sanctification, transformation, preservation in faith, glorification.

God is the one who established the different roles in the Trinity,
and they are not needles in a haystack, nor are they swallowing a camel.


Most inappropriate.
Depicting and separating can and does many a times lead to self works
I'm not following how depicting and separating the different works of the persons in the Trinity,
which Scripture itself presents, leads to self works.

Everything in Scripture is profitable, never unprofitable.

that no flesh can or will ever please God the Father, only Christ's flesh did this, so we can die to self in belief through the cross. Starting at the death so that we might see this new life in God' Spirit that is freely given to us, if we believe God to have past tense taken care of us through Son. Work hard though not to be righteous in self, rather to enter Father's rest, that those first chosen did not enter because of unbelief, HEBREWS 3 ANS 4, pretty clear on this, yet some
translations have taken
out the unbelieving part and have put being obedient in its place
that leads to self works efforts added to the cross of Christ. and thus denies the power there of.
And with good authority, that of the Greek.

For "unbelief" and "disobedience" are the same Greek word, apeitheo, and are one and the same thing.

Disobedience manifests unbelief, and
unbelief results in disobedience.
 
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we of a truth who were dead in the flesh and could not stand before the father,,,"were born on the cross at Calvary",,,
 

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First a living Soul and then dead to this living soul, by becoming alive in the flesh, not the Spirit, for
they had not eaten from the tree of life yet.
So they received eternal life in their spirit when they ate of the tree of life?

And they lost eternal life in their spirit when they rebelled (sinned), "Dying (loss of eternal life),
you shall die (physically)." (Gen 2:17)
Their loss of eternal spiritual life resulted in physical death. . .because "the wages of sin is death."
(Ro 6:23)

They were barred from ever eating of the tree of life again,
because from that point on, eternal life was by faith and cleansing of the blood,
not by embibing it.

Adam believed the promise of Ge 3:15,
and was clothed by God in the garments from the first blood sacrifice, which were
his robe of righteousness (Is 61:10) signifying reconciliation with God by the sacrifice.

And so in fact, Adam lost eternal life, and all mankind is now born without eternal life,
condemned already (Jn 3:18), remaining under the wrath of God (Jn 3:36), which is
the meaning of born in "spiritual death," and "by nature objects of God's wrath" (Eph 2:3).

And so in fact, we must now be reborn into that eternal life, through faith by grace,
for deliverance/salvation from the condemnation and wrath of God (Jn 3:18, 36; Ro 5:9),
into which all are born. (Eph 2:3).
 

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here you go, I know you have read yes? Maybe you missed these as I have as well, for we either walk of flesh or the Spirit of God each and every day, anyway here you go.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
None of those phrases are "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law"

which are the cause of misunderstanding.
 
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None of those phrases are "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law"

which are the cause of misunderstanding.
This is really a non-important distinction IMO. Letter merely refers to the written form of the law, which is abstract, and spirit refers to the spirit that wrote the letters of the law (whether by the finger of GOD or man).

Letter cannot of itself refer to law because letters are physical, laws are abstract, and this verse wouldn't make any sense if the word letter was replaced with the word law.

And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? Romans 2:27​

So letter simply means the written form of the law (an abstraction); and spirit means the author of the law. So letter of the law and spirit of the law are both valid expressions whether they appear as such in the bible, or not..
 
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A Catholic church in the UK has been sold to the Muslim community. St Peter’s Catholic church in Cobridge will become the Madina Mosque.


The site was put on sale following a dramatic decline in the number of parishioners. A spokeswoman for the archdiocese declared that “the parish of Cobridge has a long history, but in recent times the number of Catholics in the area has shrunk to such an extent that those attending Mass at St. Peter’s were simply no longer able to maintain a priest and the church buildings”.


Islam is replacing Christianity as first religion everywhere in Europe.


In France, the country of famous Catholic intellectuals such as Emmanuel Mounier, Georges Bernanos, Francois Mauriac, Jacques Maritain and Teilhard de Chardin, dozens of churches have been razed to make way for mosques, showrooms and malls.


The last cases are in Saint -Blaise du Breuil, Allier, Saint -Pie- X Hérault and Saint- Jacques d’Abbeville in the Somme. The Observatory for Religious Heritage claims that “for the first time places of worship are destroyed for no apparent reason and turned into parking lots, restaurants, boutiques, gardens and homes”. According to the French Senate, 2,800 Christian religious buildings are now at risk of being demolished.


France now has just 9.000 priests measured against 40,000 during the last war. Many churches are replaced by mosques.


In Quai Malakoff, Nantes, the old Church of St. Christopher became the Mosque of Forqane. The Church of Saint -Aubin du Pavoil was the first to be demolished in the western region of France since 1789, that year of the French Revolution and radical atheism.


Art historian Didier Rykner, who directs the magazine Tribune de l’Art, writes that “for the first time since the Second World War churches have been reduced to rubble”.


Last June, the Church of Saint- Eloi in Vierzon ceased Christian worship and became a Muslim place.


The National Federation of the Great Mosque of Paris, the Council of Democratic Muslims of France and the Collectif Banlieues asked the Catholic Church, in a spirit of “inter-religious solidarity”, to rent the empty churches to the Muslims for their Friday prayers.


The symbol of this rampant secularization and/or Islamisation of French territory is the church of Saint- Pierre -aux -Liens, in Gesté. We are in the region of the “Chouannerie”, the Catholic dissidents who suffered most in the Vendée wars against the armies of Robespierre and where in fact most of the churches have been rebuilt since 1800. The historic church has fallen under the blows of the “deconstruction”, as the socialist municipalities dubbed the destruction of Christian sites, borrowing the term from the postmodern philosopher Jacques Derrida.


Robert Schuman once called it “the Europe of Cathedrals”. But today German cathedrals are put on sale on eBay, looking for potential buyers. The church of St. Bernard in Brandenburg is the twenty-fifth to be put on the market by the Diocese of Berlin in the last ten years. Starting price: 120.000 euros.


Despite the fact that “Papa Emeritus” Joseph Ratzinger comes from Germany and the current German President Joachim Gauck is a Protestant pastor, Germany is literally selling its churches. Some people evoke the “Gott ist tot” (God is dead) of Friedrich Nietzsche.


According to a report in the weekly magazine Spirit, in the next two years 15,000 of the 45,000 existing churches in Germany, a third of the total, will be demolished or sold.


But this is not an economic problem. The churches are closing down because they are empty. It is the phenomenon of the “Konfessionslos”, the Germans without religion. It is estimated that every 75 seconds a German leaves the church.


The church of the Holy Family in Barmstedt has been demolished. Between 1990 and 2010, the German Evangelical Church closed 340 churches. Recently in Hamburg, a Lutheran church was purchased by the Muslim community.


The German weekly Der Spiegel called it “the Last Supper”. In Spandau, the church of St. Raphael is now a grocery store, while in Karl Marx’s town the churches are turned into gyms. In Cologne, a church has been transformed into a luxurious residence with a private pool.


Take Frankfurt am Main. In the 50’s, when Konrad Adenauer was the chancellor, 430,000 Protestants lived in the city. Today there are 110,000. A quarter of the churches in the city have been closed.


The famous leaning tower that vies with Pisa, the campanile located in the German town of Bad Frankenhausen, no longer calls for the faithful. Meanwhile in Petriplatz, in the central Mitte district of Berlin, there is the project of a multicultural building unique in Europe: a mosque, a church and a synagogue all under the same roof. The building will be symbolically built on the ruins of the old church of St. Peter. They call it a “religious amalgam”.


In the Netherlands, two Christian buildings close every week. It is not uncommon to find ritual objects once used in the Dutch churches in Indonesia, Congo, Philippines but also in the former communist countries, such as Ukraine. The Netherlands has, in fact, become the world’s most important exporter of religious objects. Here for the first time secularization has become a business.


“In the Netherlands, the Catholic presence on Sunday was the highest in Europe, ninety per cent”, said Rev. Jan Stuyt of Nijmegen. “Now it is ten percent”. Every year sixty places of worship shut down, are sold or demolished. Between 1970 and 2008, 205 Catholic churches were demolished in the Netherlands and 148 converted into libraries, restaurants, gyms, apartments and mosques.


The Dutch Ministry of Culture has even drawn up guidelines on dealing with the conversion of disused or abandoned churches.


The Fitih Camii Mosque in Amsterdam was a Catholic church.


The church of St. Jacobus, one of the oldest of the city of Utrecht, a cradle of Catholicism, has just been transformed into a luxury residence by a group specializing in the conversion of churches.


The Protestant church loses 60,000 participants each year. At this rate, it will cease to exist by 2050, according to church officials.


In Helmond, a town south of Bilthoven, a supermarket has moved in a former church. A library was opened in a Dominican church in Maastricht, while two churches in Utrecht and Amsterdam have recently been converted into mosques.


In the ultra liberal and tolerant Netherlands, these are known as “the dead churches”.


These are the symbols of the existential condition of the West: the vacuum in the “the evening land” will be filled by the religion coming from the East, “the morning land".






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Elin

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This is really a non-important distinction IMO. Letter merely refers to the written form of the law,
Yes, letter refers to the written form of the law, and all law is written.

Letter cannot of itself refer to law because letters are physical, laws are abstract,
All laws are written, therefore, all laws have a "physical" form.
No law is abstract only.

So letter simply means the written form of the law (an abstraction); and spirit means the author of the law. So letter of the law and spirit of the law are both valid expressions whether they appear as such in the bible, or not..
Indeed, if these phrases were found in Scripture, that meaning would be clear from their context.

Not being found in Scripture, there is nothing to establish and guard their meaning.
And so we find the wrong-minded kind of error regarding them that I am addressing below.

Evidently you have not encountered this form of error,
but it occurs frequently in my neck o' the woods.
It has a simple basis and a simple solution.

Its basis is Scripturally-unauthorized phrases, and its solution is not using
Scripturally-unauthorized phrases, which have no context to establish their true meaning.

Hence, my post, following:

Actually, there is no "spirit of the law" and "letter of the law" in Scripture.

The phrase "letter of the law" is incorrectly used to mean the external, literal sense in Scripture, or obedience to the external, literal sense of Scripture, as being deadly (kills) or unprofitable;
while the "spirit of the law" is incorrectly used to mean the inner spiritual sense of Scripture, or our inner attitude, as being life giving.

However, in 2Co 3:6-9, "the letter" is simply "the law written," an external standard before which all people stand guilty and condemned to death (the letter k ills).

The Spirit that gives life is the Holy Spirit of the living God (v.3), not our inner attitude, or some "spiritual" sense of the words.

It is the Holy Spirit who writes that same law (the letter) inwardly "on tablets of human hearts," in fulfillment of the promise of the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34), and the law is now an internal standard.
And the Holy Spirit likewise gives the believer love of God's law, as well as power to keep it, neither of which he had previously possessed before the indwelling Holy Spirit.

So "the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law" are unBiblical phrases often used in opposition to one another, or as distinct and different from one another, in an incorrect understanding of the law and the Spirit.
 
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A Catholic church in the UK has been sold to the Muslim community. St Peter’s Catholic church in Cobridge will become the Madina Mosque.

The site was put on sale following a dramatic decline in the number of parishioners. A spokeswoman for the archdiocese declared that “the parish of Cobridge has a long history, but in recent times the number of Catholics in the area has shrunk to such an extent that those attending Mass at St. Peter’s were simply no longer able to maintain a priest and the church buildings”.

Islam is replacing Christianity as first religion everywhere in Europe.

In France, the country of famous Catholic intellectuals such as Emmanuel Mounier, Georges Bernanos, Francois Mauriac, Jacques Maritain and Teilhard de Chardin, dozens of churches have been razed to make way for mosques, showrooms and malls.
Catholic intellectuals, but not students of the Scriptures.

And hence, the reason for the decline there.

< I can hear the trumpets off in the distance. >
 
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Yes, letter refers to the written form of the law, and all law is written.
All laws are written, therefore, all laws have a "physical" form.
No law is abstract only.
Really? Are laws of nature written? Were the laws of GOD written before they were written? GOD spoke several laws to Noah, but they were not written. The law of circumcision was a law before it was written.
 
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Not being found in Scripture, there is nothing to establish and guard their meaning.
And so we find the wrong-minded kind of error regarding them that I am addressing below.

Evidently you have not encountered this form of error,
but it occurs frequently in my neck o' the woods.
It has a simple basis and a simple solution.

Its basis is Scripturally-unauthorized phrases, and its solution is not using
Scripturally-unauthorized phrases, which have no context to establish their true meaning.
I would rather overthrow their reasonings through sound reasoning than attempting to do so by way of the faulty premise of 'Scripturally-unauthorized phrases', that, as I demonstrated by Romans 2:27, is not plausible.
 

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Letter cannot of itself refer to law because letters are physical, laws are abstract, and
this verse wouldn't make any sense if the word letter was replaced with the word law.

"And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee,
who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?"
Romans 2:27
The word "law" works well here, as is easily seen in my Bible:

"The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you,
who, by means of a written code and circumcision are a lawbreaker." (Ro 2:27)

Translate:The uncircumcised and obedient will judge you,
who by the law are both circumcised and disobedient.


I would rather overthrow their reasonings through sound reasoning
Would that all were governed by sound reasoning as you are, but alas, that is not the case,
and demonstrating such is of no avail to their understanding.

In such a case, one is left only with the authority of the word of God,
which does not authorize the phrases they are wrong-headedly using.
 
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What Law is this ?

Romans 8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


That's why God made it so that we die to the Law:

Romans 7:1-6
Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

The ironic thing is that in preaching Torah pursuance, you're preaching carnality, for the Law only deals with the flesh.


-JGIG


 

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The laws that are still valid today and always will be valid that cannot pass away are God's moral laws which include the 10 commandments.

Paul said we do not abolish the law but we establish it.

The Bible says love is the fulfilling of the law which is to love people and God.Jesus said that the greatest commandment is to love God and people.

God's moral laws never pass away.

But the physical ordinances that Israel went by in the Old Testament Jesus took them out of the way nailing them to His cross,therefore let no man judge you in meats,drinks,respect of a holy day,new moons,or sabbath days.

Dead people are not under Law:


Romans 7:4-64
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

We were crucified with Christ and live in Him:


Galatians 2:19-21
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


-JGIG
 

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Welshman and all, we are free in Christ to be, by his death we are Forgiven, redeemed, reconciled, Christ is our propitiation for any and all sin. Not ever meant to be taken for granted as many say they believe yet do not, and these know who these are. No matter God does just love you all:
He died for all, and he is the propitiation

  1. Romans 3:25
    whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
    Romans 3:24-26 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. 1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
    1 John 2:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  3. 1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    And for those that argue under future sins are not forgiven. You are correct, how could any future sin ever be forgiven unless one sins again after receiving the truth that all sins, past are forgiven.

    Tell me you might have just sinned and you did not want to, and yet you did, while trying not to. How fast is it past!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Do we have an advocate Jesus Christ the righteous?
    And as fast as any sin is past, before I can even blink an eye, why are we adhering to getting more forgiveness from God, when it is finished, done the forgiveness issue is over. Is there or has there ever been any forgiveness from God executed without the shedding of blood ever?
    Do we not see clear that what religiosity has done to this whole world in deception of getting each of us to work at either keeping saved or getting saved, which is what is keeping you all trapped into sinning that same sin over and over again that you keep regretting. God wants to teach you to trust God to say not to it and can't because you are not listening and trying to stop it in the energy of your own flesh. Galatians 6:8 real clear on this
    The Battle goes on people, Flesh against God's Spirit. Is it not yet clear to us all, that no flesh will ever please God, only Christ in the flesh did this for us, and was and is risen in the Spirit of God, he is in Heaven at the right hand of God making constant intercession for us all. It is all God and none of us, done completed at the cross/ Now that is unfathomable love from God to us, we are dressed in flesh that is not willing to be dead. It is our Choice to believe and be or continue on with self-efforts. Either be stressed out or be freed from flesh control in God's Spirit
    All in God's amazing love to all


Regarding the forgiveness of future sins:

The work of the Cross was done about 2000 years ago. ALL of our sins were in the future. There is NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins. The sin issue was dealt with long ago, completely, by Christ. We need only receive the forgiveness that is already in place for all sin:
2 Corinthians 5:18-19
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

-JGIG
 
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Linda70

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Regarding the forgiveness of future sins:

The work of the Cross was done about 2000 years ago. ALL of our sins were in the future. There is NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins. The sin issue was dealt with long ago, completely, by Christ. We need only receive the forgiveness that is already in place for all sin:
2 Corinthians 5:18-19
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

-JGIG
Amen! There is NO MORE sacrifice for sin:

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The sacrifice of Christ was a once-for-all event!