What Laws are still valid to christians

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homwardbound

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1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

1785. entolé

an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Do you know Him?

If you say yes but don't keep the Laws that were from the beginning you are a liar and the truth is not in you.
What is keeping the Laws, what fulfills the Laws? Is Love God's type in 1 Cor. 13:4-13 what god wants to be in us? Can nay flesh ever do that type of love? So what does one need to be able to perform perfectly in love?
 
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Which says not to allow someone to judge you FOR KEEPING the Sabbath and the Holydays. It does not obliterate them. Rather we have this...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Rest being Sabbatismos. From Dr. Bullinger's...

Hebrews 4:9


rest = a Rest Day. i.e. the great day of "rest" under the rule of the great "Priest (King) upon His throne". See Zec_6:13. Greek. sabbatismos. Only here. The verb sabbatizo, to keep sabbath, occurs several times in the Septuagint

Sabbatismos means keeping the Sabbath. Even the margin in the KJV renders it this way.
i understand that the sabbath is to be kept because i also keep sabbath but i disagree that col 2 is speaking about sabbath keeping and feast day that they should be kept it is saying the annual sabbath are no longer for us to day these were the feast the Jesus did away with
 
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Which says not to allow someone to judge you FOR KEEPING the Sabbath and the Holydays. It does not obliterate them. Rather we have this...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Rest being Sabbatismos. From Dr. Bullinger's...

Hebrews 4:9


rest = a Rest Day. i.e. the great day of "rest" under the rule of the great "Priest (King) upon His throne". See Zec_6:13. Greek. sabbatismos. Only here. The verb sabbatizo, to keep sabbath, occurs several times in the Septuagint

Sabbatismos means keeping the Sabbath. Even the margin in the KJV renders it this way.
The 7th day sabbath was not hand writing of ordinances but the annual sabbath were
 

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The rule of life for the Christian is not the Ten Commandments, but the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. We are to put on Christ, not the Ten Commandments.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
and a big Amen, time to be set free in God through Christ the Son
 
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There is only one only scripture that uses the "nailed it to the cross" expression (AV/NKJ), it is Col 2:13-14, in which Paul states, "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross". Were the ten commandments the "requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us"? Let us examine the scriptures to see.
Commandment 1: Paul said, "God, who made the world and everything in it...they should seek the Lord" (Acts 17:24,27). Paul also said, "I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law" (Acts 24:14). "And what agreement has the temple of God have with idols?" (II Cor 6:16). "you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God" (I The 1:9). "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God" (2 The 2:3-4).
 
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Commandment 2: "we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols" (Acts 15:20). "Now while Paul waited for them in Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols...Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said...'God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything'" (Acts 17:16,22,24-25).

"Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four footed animals and creeping things" (Rom 1:22-23). "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...an idolater" (I Cor 5:11). "Neither... idolators...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:9-10). "And do not become idolaters as were some of them...Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry" (I Cor 10:7,14). "And what agreement has the temple of God have with idols?" (II Cor 6:16). "Now the works of the flesh are evident...idolatry" (Gal 5:19,20). "For this you know that no...idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (Eph 5:5). "Therefore put to death...covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col 3:5). "you turned to God from idols" (I The 1:9).

Commandment 3
: "they are all under sin...Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness" (Rom 3:9,14). "Let all...evil speaking be put away from you" (Eph 4:31). "But now you yourselves are to put off all these:...blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth" (Col 3:8). "they may learn not to blaspheme" (I Tim 1:20). But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be...blasphemers" (II Tim 3:1,2).
 
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Commandment 4: "Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures...And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks" (Acts 17:2;18:4 see also 13:14,27,42,44). "let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need" (Eph 4:28) and "For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: 'If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat'" (II Thes 3:10); (recall that the requirement to work is also part of the Sabbath command, thus even that portion of the commandment is repeated in the New Testament.) "And to whom did He swear they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?" (Heb 3:18). "For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works'" (Heb 4:4). "There remains therefore a rest (literally sabbatismos, 'Sabbath rest') for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Heb 4:9-10).

Commandment 5
: "being filled with all unrighteousness...disobediant to parents" (Rom 1:29,30). "Children obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 'Honor your father and mother', which is the first commandment with promise: that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth" (Eph 6:1-3). "the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience" (Col 3:6). "Children obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing to the Lord" (Col 3:20). "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be...disobediant to parents" (II Tim 3:1,2).


Commandment 6
: "being filled with all unrighteousness...murder" (Rom 1:29). "You shall not murder" (Rom 13:9). "Now the works of the flesh are evident...murders" (Gal 5:19,21). "the lawless and insubordinate...murders...manslayers" (I Tim 1:9).
 
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Commandment 7: "being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality" (Rom 1:29). "So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress" (Rom 7:3). "You shall not commit adultery" (Rom 13:9). "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral" (I Cor 5:11). "Neither... adulterers, nor homosexuals...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:9-10)."Nor let us commit sexual immorality as some of them did" (I Cor 10:8). "Now the works of the flesh are evident...adultery, fornication" (Gal 5:19). "For this you know that no fornicator...has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (Eph 5:5). "the lawless and insubordinate...fornicators...sodomites" (I Tim 1:9,10). "fornicators and adulterers God will judge" (Heb 13:4).

Commandment 8
: "You shall not steal" (Rom 13:9). "nor thieves...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:10). "I have been...in perils of robbers" (II Cor 11:25-26). "Let him who stole, steal no longer" (Eph 4:28).
 
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Commandment 9: "You shall not bear false witness" (Rom 13:9). "Therefore, putting away lying" (Eph 4:25). "Do not lie to one another" (Col 3:9). "the lawless and insubordinate...liars...perjurers" (I Tim 1:9,10). "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy" (I Tim 4:1-2). "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be...slanderers" (II Tim 3:1,3). "God, who cannot lie" (Ti 1:2). "it is impossible for God to lie" (Heb 6:18).

Commandment 10
: "being filled with all unrighteousness...covetousness" (Rom 1:29)."You shall not covet" (Rom 7:7). "You shall not covet" (Rom 13:9). "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...covetous" (I Cor 5:11). "nor covetous...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:10). "we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted" (I Cor 10:6). "you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Gal 5:16). "For this you know that no fornicator...nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (Eph 5:5). "Therefore put to death...covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col 3:5). "For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness" (I The 2:5). "Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have" (Heb 13:5).
 
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All ten commandments are repeated in the new

James 2

[SUP]8 [/SUP]If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 

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Are you not under the authority of the Law? The Law, when obeyed, brings marvelous blessings...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

I really don't mind that kind of authority over me.
And does not the Love of the Lord imputed in us through the resurrected Christ in the Spirit new life given to us by God do this?
I know it has been in me done by God not me, through Christ's death in the flesh I died to me, and came alive to God. now I plainly simply do this daily die to self in order to be alive in Christ in the Spirit, Renewing my mind set daily loving and trusting God to get me through any and all troubles here in this life, because he is risen, and so I am also in him risen in Spirit not flesh. I consider my flesh dead and alive to God daily, trusting God for God's words not mine as in Matt 10:16-20
that is what I am learning from God
 
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What ironic though is that God is going to judge the world by His Law yet many say that we are under grace
 

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What part of the book of John are you referring to? This?

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Which comes from this...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Read on Brother let us stay in context of what went on with this rich man, as he walked away sad, even though he had obeyed all the commandments from birth on, he walked away sad.
The disciples seeing this asked Christ who then can be saved?
And Christ said it clear
With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible
Now this ordeal that went on was before the cross, and was under the Law that no flesh can be perfect in.
So after showing the disciples their inability to be perfect in and of themselves they were annihilated, broken, yet still had hope/
So when did it change from Law stress to Grace rest? Or has it yet where we trust God or we try to be righteous before God? When just as you agreed there is only one righteous. So is it time to become a participator over a professor?
 
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There was another law communicated privately to Moses, and
written by him in a book, called "the book of the law,"
which consisted of instructions in regard to meats, drink,
feast-days, divers washings, and carnal ordinances, and
which was deposited, not in the ark, but by its side. The
difference between them in this respect was this:

The ten
commandments lay in unapproachable majesty inside the
golden ark, deep graven by the finger of Deity himself in
the imperishable agate of the mountains; the law of types
and ceremonies lay outside the ark, written with ink, by
human hands, on the perishable parchment
 

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Interesting, since Christ is the one who spoke those Laws to Moses. Christ is the one who spoke those Laws from Mt. Sinai. Christ is the one who also said...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Yes exactly his purpose was to fulfill law and Prophets that prophesied of his coming, and he did do that exactly as he in John 19:30 yelled out it is finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well what was finished his Job that he came to earth for right? So he did fulfill the Law and Prophets right?
And a big yes to the Law is not done away with, for who? THE LAWBREAKER right? And those that are in Christ are no longer Law breakers or Jaw Breakers. I am talking the MATURE IN Christ FULLY GROWN as in Hebrews 5:10 -6:6, 5:10 not mature, 6:6 matured. God's doing not man's
 

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Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

For there are certian men who have crept in and turn the mercy of Yahweh into a license to sin......
Yes those that take advantage of this grace from God
Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

It was never meant as a license to sin. it was and is God's Mercy, that all are responding to one way or another, using it as an excuse or praising an thanking God in sincerity Please all do not take this amazing salvation for Granted why?
Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
 

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No it means that when we keep these 2 commandments, we have kept everything required by the 10 commandments. You place the letter above the spirit. The spirit wrote the letter. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. You basically are saying that the 2 greatest commandments hang on the 10 lesser commandments.
WE can't even keep these two commandments Brother, that is what Christ came to show us all, that we can't
So what is it that we do need? New life right? Where is this new life at? Who gives it? Can it ever be earned?
 

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So you may lie and your still keeping the 2?

Or worship gods and still keep the 2?

Or etc, etc, etc, etc, and still keep the 2?

We will keep it simple, which of the 10 can you break and still keep the 2? Prove to me we can break one of these and still keep the 2 and I will never preach faith + works.

What you say is nonsense, do you even believe what you said?
No flesh can obey perfectly only God can in the Spirit so be dead to flesh and alive to God to be able to Love, God doing it through you
 

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i understand that the sabbath is to be kept because i also keep sabbath but i disagree that col 2 is speaking about sabbath keeping and feast day that they should be kept it is saying the annual sabbath are no longer for us to day these were the feast the Jesus did away with
The 7th day sabbath was not hand writing of ordinances but the annual sabbath were
Huh?

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Starting with verse 1, show me the handwriting of ordinances here. God spoke directly saying that what followed were HIS Feasts.