What Laws are still valid to christians

[Isdaniel]

Being under law means being under it's authority.

Paul is saying in verse 19 that the law, the Ten Commandments was to stop the mouth of every sinner that they will know that they are all guilty before God without Christ, for by the Law he said in verse 20 is the knowledge of SIN. In the book of 1Jn3:4 the apostle John supports Paul by saying.

Whosoever committeth SIN transgresseth also the Law: for SIN is the transgression of the Law. The obvious question now is, is there sin in the world? And the equally obvious answer is YES. Since SIN is still in this world then God’s Ten Commandments must be still binding upon us.

Paul says in Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the Law through faith? God forbid; yea we establish the law. There are no contradictions here beloved, the Ten Commandments are still binding on us today, Both apostles Paul & John explains clearly that its purpose is to identify SIN, Paul further makes it clear that we cannot make void the Ten Commandments, GOD forbids it Rom8:31.

 

[Isdaniel]

which commandment were the unbelieving Jews trying to impose upon the Galatians? circumcision was the main issue and the point that was being debated at that time, Gal chp3:1-5. But was that all that was at stake, and what was really nailed at the cross?

Eph 2:15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the Law of Commandment contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace… Even the Law of Commandments contained in ordinances, throughout the entire book of Leviticus, you will find various different sacrifices which were to be made for the atonement of Sins.

The book of Hebrews says” “without the shedding of blood there shall no flesh be saved.”

 

[Isdaniel]

Oh I heard the Law, tried desperately to obey it perfectly and it killed me, thanking God for that today daily, because without that I would not know truth about my flesh that I was born with that is incapable of fulfilling Law and or prophets. The Law was my schoolmaster, and has done its Job in showing me my need for Christ, to be perfect in and through Christ's death unto Father to made a new alive in the Spirit of Father after I chose to be dead to self by through the death of Christ, unto the life where God makes us alive in God in the Spirit no other way to Father but through Christ that I see after spending many years trying to be right as in doing the Law
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.irit with Father serving Fathefr in Spirit and truth

God said he will write his LAWS in our minds and our hearts, this he does through the Holy Spirit. This is the very LAWS that were on the tablets of stones. David said “I have seen an end of all perfection but thy Commandments are exceedingly broad.” Halleluiah. Gods Laws shall never come to an end. Christ said, concerning the commandments. “Heaven and earth may pass away but not one jot nor a title shall in no wise pass from the LAW.”

Let God be true and all men be liars. It is interesting to note that when ever someone says that the LAW is abolished, what they really want to say is that the Sabbath of the Lord is abolished, for they USUALLY keep the other nine but the easiest of them all they seem to have problem with.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In the book of 1Jn3:4 the apostle John supports Paul by saying.

Whosoever committeth SIN transgresseth also the Law: for SIN is the transgression of the Law. The obvious question now is, is there sin in the world? And the equally obvious answer is YES. Since SIN is still in this world then God’s Ten Commandments must be still binding upon us.

No, John didn't say anything about THE LAW. He said whoever commits sin commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. That's what the Greek says. Look it up.

If the 10 commandments have authority over you, you are not in Christ.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

1785. entolé

an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Do you know Him?

If you say yes but don't keep the Laws that were from the beginning you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

 

[Kerry]

Is not Daniel, do you place the law above the work of the cross?

 

[Linda70]

The rule of life for the Christian is not the Ten Commandments, but the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. We are to put on Christ, not the Ten Commandments.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

1785. entolé

an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Do you know Him?

If you say yes but don't keep the Laws that were from the beginning you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

The end of the exhortation is love from out of a clean heart, and a good conscience, and unpretentious faith; which some having missed the target, turn aside to useless discussion wanting to be teachers of the law, not comprehending what they say, nor concerning what they assert as truth. 1 Timothy 1:5-7

 

[john832]

Being under law means being under it's authority.

Are you not under the authority of the Law? The Law, when obeyed, brings marvelous blessings...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

I really don't mind that kind of authority over me.

 

[john832]

1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

1785. entolé

an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Do you know Him?

If you say yes but don't keep the Laws that were from the beginning you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

Straightforward teaching from the Apostle that Christ loved. John was the Apostle Christ was closest too in His 3-1/2 year ministry. He had the special insight of daily contact with Christ for 3-1/2 years.

 

[john832]

No, John didn't say anything about THE LAW. He said whoever commits sin commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. That's what the Greek says. Look it up.

If the 10 commandments have authority over you, you are not in Christ.

Hmmm, Can you show me some scripture that says the Ten Commandments are antithesis to Christ?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Straightforward teaching from the Apostle that Christ loved. John was the Apostle Christ was closest too in His 3-1/2 year ministry. He had the special insight of daily contact with Christ for 3-1/2 years.

No, more like really crooked teaching by Hizikyah. John didn't say what Hizikyah is trying to make it look like he did say. His quote of 1 John 2:3-7 is from the House of Yahweh cult bible that has many words added/changed in order to suit the agenda of its translators.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

1785. entolé

an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Do you know Him?

If you say yes but don't keep the Laws that were from the beginning you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

The end of the exhortation is love from out of a clean heart, and a good conscience, and unpretentious faith; which some having missed the target, turn aside to useless discussion wanting to be teachers of the law, not comprehending what they say, nor concerning what they assert as truth. 1 Timothy 1:5-7

Yes the Pharisees were supposed "teaches of the Law" yet taught directly against the point of it.

No, more like really crooked teaching by Hizikyah. John didn't say what Hizikyah is trying to make it look like he did say. His quote of 1 John 2:3-7 is from the House of Yahweh cult bible that has many words added/changed in order to suit the agenda of its translators.

You can say whatever you like fact is the word translated Law or Commandments in most translations is:

1785. entolé

an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law

Translating it Law is 100% accurate.

"Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hmmm, Can you show me some scripture that says the Ten Commandments are antithesis to Christ?

That's a false characterization that I don't participate in. The bible plainly says that those in Christ are dead to the law of Moses. Laws have no authority over dead people. So again, if you are under the law's authority, that just means you haven't been baptized (spiritually) into Christ.

 

[john832]

No, more like really crooked teaching by Hizikyah. John didn't say what Hizikyah is trying to make it look like he did say. His quote of 1 John 2:3-7 is from the House of Yahweh cult bible that has many words added/changed in order to suit the agenda of its translators.

What part of the book of John are you referring to? This?

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Which comes from this...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Are you not under the authority of the Law?

No, I am not under the authority of the law of Moses. I am under the authority of the law of Christ.

 

[Hizikyah]

That's a false characterization that I don't participate in. The bible plainly says that those in Christ are dead to the law of Moses. Laws have no authority over dead people. So again, if you are under the law's authority, that just means you haven't been baptized (spiritually) into Christ.

No the saints have faith in Yahshua and keep Yahweh's Law.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

They even sing the song of Mosheh and the song of Yahshua:

Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"

If you go to the kingdom are you going to sit that song out?

 

[john832]

No, I am not under the authority of the law of Moses. I am under the authority of the law of Christ.

Interesting, since Christ is the one who spoke those Laws to Moses. Christ is the one who spoke those Laws from Mt. Sinai. Christ is the one who also said...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

"Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

Entole is virtually always translated as commandment, not law. But quibbling about calling entole commandment or law is pointless. The point is that John didn't say laws or commandments (plural); he said commandment (singular).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What part of the book of John are you referring to? This?

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Which comes from this...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Which all boils down to this...

This is [GOD's] commandment -- that we should believe in the name of his son Jesus Christ, and we should love one another, as he gave commandment. 1 John 3:23​