What Laws are still valid to christians

[john832]

Adam and Eve kept the law but hey some will say shew me where Adam and Eve kept sabbath hmmmmm ironically though Cain knew he murdered his brother i wonder why hmmm as some said the law only came into being at Mt Sinai hmm they are so foolish

Paul refers to this...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Why did Paul say death reigned from Adam to Moses?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And what is sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[john832]

now that is sarcasm

Ah, but it is true.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

1 john 3

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You are another false witness. As many times as I've corrected this error, you continually keep repeating.

 

[Isdaniel]

To all Non Sabbath keepers could you answer this question please

What is in the ark of the covenant in the temple of God


[h=3]Revelation 11 [/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When you join the grace only crowd, there are certain passages you must rip from your Bible.

Hypocrite. I could probably list 10x the number of verses that you ignore.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Law and Grace. They are mutually inclusive not exclusive.

Only in the imagination of your mind. You truly don't have a clue what grace is.

 

[Welshman]

You 2/3 lAWKEEPERs determined kp arguing and mocking others liking every thing you each say I didn't post wrong thread I put it there on purpose ? Il go away another 20 days and you'll be splitting hairs failing to answer questions then diverting until point in focus is lost then a tirade about the law again and again again and so on it goes the futility of the thread happened long ago hence only a few originals post anymore.. Good luck with the obsession of law bt ye will not yoke this spirit into bondage for I'm free and tho a slave I'm a slave to Christ not the law Christ himself has set me free from law yet you seek to bind others in law....

 

[john832]

Only in the imagination of your mind. You truly don't have a clue what grace is.

I am pretty sure it is not license.

 

[john832]

Hypocrite. I could probably list 10x the number of verses that you ignore.

Well thank you and bless you too.

 

[homwardbound]

And I agree with this. Only one man ever obeyed perfectly, Jesus Christ, but we are still to strive to obey. We can have the heart to obey. That is the crux of the teaching of the New Covenant...

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

And when we stumble and falter...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

It is by and through ones giving up flesh efforts and thus decide to trust God to do n them what they can't accomplish in self for no flesh will ever please God, Think please for a minute, God wants you alive yes? How in Spirit filled right here and now, you are retired from your works, and alive ion the Spirit, made Whole by Christ at the cross, completed at Christ's resurrection through belief in God doing this so God can do the works of God through you where there is no sin.
Transferred from death to life right here right now the free gift from God to you in the Spirit of God by the cross
Col 1:22 says by Christ's death you are made Holy. How Holy is Holy? can I you or anyone do any better than that?
Why do we cancel out What God has already done for us at the cross of Christ?
Try it: give up to God, say thank you, that I don't know how you did it, but I thank you, I now know you will take away this sin that I have been trying to get rid of/ I do not care how you will do it, I quit stressing out over it and now trust you to do in me what I know I can't do in self. Please I want to be dead to self and alive to you, Show me this Father so I will walk as Christ walked without any credit to self, all credit to you Father, thank you Jesus
I Die daily, why did Paul say that?

 

[Isdaniel]

You are another false witness. As many times as I've corrected this error, you continually keep repeating.

Thanks alot grace keeper

 

[Isdaniel]

Ah, but it is true.

1 Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

 

[Isdaniel]

It is by and through ones giving up flesh efforts and thus decide to trust God to do n them what they can't accomplish in self for no flesh will ever please God, Think please for a minute, God wants you alive yes? How in Spirit filled right here and now, you are retired from your works, and alive ion the Spirit, made Whole by Christ at the cross, completed at Christ's resurrection through belief in God doing this so God can do the works of God through you where there is no sin.
Transferred from death to life right here right now the free gift from God to you in the Spirit of God by the cross
Col 1:22 says by Christ's death you are made Holy. How Holy is Holy? can I you or anyone do any better than that?
Why do we cancel out What God has already done for us at the cross of Christ?
Try it: give up to God, say thank you, that I don't know how you did it, but I thank you, I now know you will take away this sin that I have been trying to get rid of/ I do not care how you will do it, I quit stressing out over it and now trust you to do in me what I know I can't do in self. Please I want to be dead to self and alive to you, Show me this Father so I will walk as Christ walked without any credit to self, all credit to you Father, thank you Jesus
I Die daily, why did Paul say that?

Will there be law in God kingdom why or why not ?

 

[Isdaniel]

You are another false witness. As many times as I've corrected this error, you continually keep repeating.

Mark 7
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=3]Isaiah 24
[/h]King James Version (KJV)


1 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

 

[just-me]

Will there be law in God kingdom why or why not ?

Ezekiel 43:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.
Psalm 89:30-33 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
Isaiah 11:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 19:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The law God gave to Moses will be the iron rod, understood correctly through Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Isdaniel]

Ezekiel 43:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.
Psalm 89:30-33 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
Isaiah 11:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 19:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The law God gave to Moses will be the iron rod, understood correctly through Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

• Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
  
• Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
  
• Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
  
• Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
  
  

The saints will rule this world with a rod of iron or by the word of God

 

[Isdaniel]

To all Non Sabbath keepers could you answer this question please

What is in the ark of the covenant in the temple of God


Revelation 11

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Seems like the grace keepers do not want to answer this question hmmm i wonder why

 

[Isdaniel]

• Romans 6:14
  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace
  
• Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
  
  
  What is sin
  
  1john 3
  [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
  
  Therefore Paul is saying shall we continue to break God laws now that we are under grace God forbid
  
  if people will study the bible for themselves and let God teach them and not have people studying for them
  

 

[john832]

1 Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Point taken.