What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

[eternally-gratefull]

There are things that are "self focused" as you say. But, there are commands such as baptism and assembling which are commanded of us by Jesus.

Of course. And many more commands.

But as I said, we can do these things and be in sin while doing them. If our focus for doing them is self. and not out of unselfish appreciation for the salvation God gave you.

John 3:3 (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

I was born of water by my mother physically alive, yet spiritually dead., I was born of the spirit by God himself by being raised from death to life.

Oh, ANd i was baptised in water after I was born of his spirit

I also assemble together as often as I can with my brothers and sisters in Christ, not just at a church service on Sunday But as much as I can during the week.

But these things will not make me righteous.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Great verses there!

They don't make people saved, but those who are saved will presumably want to follow them!

if they can't do these two basic things, I would question if they had faith at all!!

 

[chubbena]

and you just explained why his children will never be forgotten, or cast out. for any reason. For he is perfect love (A love we can not understand

But He's still a consuming fire isn't He?

 

[ivanc0]

The law itself.

No law..... No sin.

But God wanted Us to Sin, so we could also repent. so we now know the good and the bad.


and could choose, otherwise how could your know?

Paul teaches that iif you have the spirit of God, you do not need law you will do the good by default.

Will came naturally out of you.

 

[just-me]

The law itself.

No law..... No sin.

But God wanted Us to Sin, so we could also repent. so we now know the good and the bad.

and could choose, otherwise how could your know?

Paul teaches that iif you have the spirit of God, you do not need law you will do the good by *default.

**Will came naturally out of you.

Full Definition of *DEFAULT

1
: failure to do something required by duty or law : neglect

2
archaic : fault

3
: a failure to pay financial debts

4
a : failure to appear at the required time in a legal proceeding
b : failure to compete in or to finish an appointed contest<lost the game by default>

5
a : a selection made usually automatically or without active consideration due to lack of a viable alternative <remained the club's president by default>


I appeared in court and was found guilty. My lawyer paid the fine, and redeemed me. He couldn't have done that if I would have failed to appear.


​**nat·u·ral·ly

adverb\ˈna-chər-ə-lē, ˈnach-rə-, ˈna-chər-\—used to describe something that happens or exists by itself without being changed by someone
—used to say that something is expected or normal

Sorry, I need to be changed by another. I can't do it on my own.

 

[vic1980]

Now I'm not trying to start an argument concerning the law. The point is to define the carnal mind to see if we have those attributes when reading scripture. Then if we see that within ourselves, to ask God through Christ Jesus, to clean up our act. We are to love Him with our mind, striving to understand the truth and relevance for today, about all that is written in the Bible since the beginning of time.

Romans 8:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnel mind rejects Knowledge & understandning, sound wisdom , counsel & rebukes that come from God word that is a sword that cuts. Proverbs 1 & 2 explain those that where called and they refuse to following the path of uprightness. Because they enjoy living according to the flesh.

God bless

 

[vic1980]

The law itself.

No law..... No sin.

But God wanted Us to Sin, so we could also repent. so we now know the good and the bad.


and could choose, otherwise how could your know?

Paul teaches that iif you have the spirit of God, you do not need law you will do the good by default.

Will came naturally out of you.

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

God Bless

 

[homwardbound]

Hi Homewardbound,

I've actually been reading John Ch. 17, where Jesus prays that the disciples will be made one even as He is one with the Father. He prayed not only for them, but also for those who would come to HIM through the disciples.

The disciples went on to learn and teach after Jesus rose from the dead. We see this with the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. Even before then, there is the account where Jesus sent the disciples out in two's. They were still learning then as well.

Paul spent three years in the desert learning and it was several years before he went on to form the churches.

Even then Paul said: Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Philippians 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Both Paul and the disciples, (Apostles) spent every effort teaching the new believers to follow Christ through the lessons contained in the scriptures. He spoke of the Bereans who studied everything out, and Paul spoke much about going from the milk of the word to the meat of the word, and even spoke about the veil when reading Moses, being taken away in Christ.

There is a process involved with becoming one with Christ even as a body of believers. Christ is still the head over the body, and Christ is the one who lights heaven, as shown in Isaiah and Revelation, ("The Lamb is the light thereof.")

We don't suddenly have "all understanding," as babes in Christ. I know I had to learn and am still learning. There is a process.

And in this humility, God's strength is made perfect, yes 2 Cor 12. Therefore I will glory in the fact that "I" can not be perfect ever in and of myself, ever. Thus moving on in the Mark of the high calling, that is found and revealed in Christ through Father by trust alone, not any of my self efforts but to work hard to enter that rest that is provided not only for me, but for all that believe God at God's word of saving grace by Faith in God's finality at the cross where we all are by and through Christ forgiven
Christ and him crucified is the foundation to the new life in the resurrected Christ is this true or false as you are growing too?
I see when one first believes, it is like as a worm, that spins a cocoon, and rests inside that cocoon, and Metamorphosis takes place, Then when God decides the Cocoon breaks and one sees truth and is set free as a Butterfly is when that worm becomes that Butterfly:
tell me will that Butterfly ever be a worm again? So when you see from Father that you are born again will you ever be a worm again?

 

[homwardbound]

To me to die daily is to forget what I think I need but to listen to the small voice telling me what I need. Whenever I sin it's not because I don't know it's because I choose not to listen. To me there's a learning curve. I'm a slow learner. I stumbled much but I am learning to walk because every time I fell and didn't want to get up My friend kept raising me up.

And that Brother is where God is Faithful to carry on the good work that God started in you. That s where we see past this verse unto the next verse here below:
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

The above I applaud that is the start, not the finish line, and many are cuaght right there in that verse alone and won't come to the end of the energy of their own flesh not seeing it is their own flesh stopping them from crossing over the finish line in Christ, unto and into Heaven in the Spirit of truth safe and secure in Father's arms for eternity while here and now as nothing more than an ambassador, representing the love, joy, peace and righteousness given to us as a gift shown to us by the receiving of the Holy Spirit of God through Son's finished work for us to be able to receive this in the resurrected Christ

So the next verse shows this:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[homwardbound]

EternallyGreatfull liked my post #705

I must have done something wrong LOL. Kidding of course.

I'll always love you brother, and mention your name when I pray. Please remember yours truly. Don't we all need each other? Maybe that should be a statement rather than a question.

Iron is now sharpening iron is what I am now seeing thank you Lord Jesus

 

[homwardbound]

You nailed it sis. That is exactly right. The flesh cannot, or refuses to understand the spiritual concepts of the law God gave to Moses because they are all seen as conviction, or condemnation. But to the saved it becomes a wonderful view that comes being out from underneath.

Thus one walks in love to all, and I mean all, or how can one say they are saved if they only love those that love them, even the unbelievers do this right? So if we do this only love those that love are we any different than flesh is naturally?

 

[homwardbound]

Who can stand if He speaks in the thunder and comes in the wind but guess how He shows His glory. Silly me always think He express His feelings through weather. Through thunders and lightning I feel His glory and at times I feel His wrath. It's when I knee and pray. He is the consuming fire and He is the small voice. He is righteous and He is love.

And King Nebuchadnezzar, threw three in the fire and saw a fourth and they were not burned up, commanded the fire to made hotter and they still did not burn up, why?
Because they believed and stood to their belief and trusted God no matter what, the same as David did with the Lion and Goliath, Belief, belief, belief

 

[homwardbound]

It's all coming together now and if only this lasts.

God is love and love of God is forever over and out ! cor. 13:13

 

[homwardbound]

Paul spoke of self. In my self (flesh) I can not please God. And in my self (flesh) nothing good can come about. Whenever we are self focused. Nothing good can happen. No matter what we do (even if they are things which would be called good. Like getting baptised. Going to church, Not doing the do not do's) they are fleshly, and not of God, He calls them bloody rags, or personaly righteousness. Which is the same as sin.



well 1st the person must be saved, A person who is dead to Christ, even if they were doing things which agree with his commands, is in sin, because he is doing them in the flesh (self focused) and not out of love,

then even after they are saved, they can still turn self focused, And still be in sin, even if obeying Gods commands.



Well the reason they can not please God is because they are totally self focused, and everything they do is for self. The sin is a result of being self righteous. Anything we do with this attitude is sin. I can never commit adultry and think I am righteous for this. Yet my not doing it is in itself sin, Because again it is self focused and self motivated. In fact. a person relying on self can not understand the law. For if he did, He would understand it totally condemns him, And he needs a savior (schoolmaster) so this person can be one of the most righteous people on earth, who we can not see any sin in and appears to be working for God. Or the aduterous drunk who actually lives out his self nature. Both are condemned in their self serving lives.

Thanks EG, I got that, understood that, thank you for listening

 

[homwardbound]

There are things that are "self focused" as you say. But, there are commands such as baptism and assembling which are commanded of us by Jesus.
John 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Who does the born again, us or God? what is born again water or Spirit?
Is there not onlky one baptism?
Did John say he must decrease and that He needed Baptized of Chirst?
What did he say about his Baptism and Christ's?
[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

 

[homwardbound]

Of course. And many more commands.

But as I said, we can do these things and be in sin while doing them. If our focus for doing them is self. and not out of unselfish appreciation for the salvation God gave you.


I was born of water by my mother physically alive, yet spiritually dead., I was born of the spirit by God himself by being raised from death to life.

Oh, ANd i was baptised in water after I was born of his spirit

I also assemble together as often as I can with my brothers and sisters in Christ, not just at a church service on Sunday But as much as I can during the week.

But these things will not make me righteous.

Only God who Baptizes one with God's Spirit does that, after one decides to beleive God shows them this to be free in God and love all as God does, something flesh just can not do, thanks again EG

 

[homwardbound]

But He's still a consuming fire isn't He?

Yes and that is for him to burn out our dross in our flesh, if we ask for him to turn on the kiln and do this for he came with the Holy Ghost and with fire to do this if we agree for this to be done.
I remember the day I asked for this fire to be turned on me and burn out my dross. It was not pretty and hurt badly as I who asked to be conformed to his death asked, Father thus went to work on me and peeled me like an onion, it killed me and cried like a baby, complained and groaned like a spoiled Child does, why is this being done to me? Just like those in the days of provocation did and did not enter his rest because of unbelief that all things work out to Father's good whether we see it or not
And my thing was cut off, due to Foreigner Gangrene Puberty taken out of the way is that a hallelujah or a curse?
Was a curse to me at first, and learning now it is not it is a blessing, and I know it hurt God more to see me go through this than it hurt me. Now not possible to ever follow through with lust of the flesh anymore ever Praise you Father for this amazing miracle gift that hurt bad, and was as well as is what was best for me, it has humbled me beyond measure
So anyone of you asking for the fire to be turned on be prepared, because God will allow this to be turned on and burnt out of you, only if you ask, for he does love you, and won't ever force you

And if you look up foreigner Gangrene you will see I am one of the seven percent that have lived and one the I think 5% that still lived over a year later. This took place on a move from one state to another from one job to another I eneded up in the emergency room with this disease and have been disabled ever since, date 11-16-2012. It has been a long road to see through as God has always wanted me to, and to everyone as well, God just love you

 

[homwardbound]

The law itself.

No law..... No sin.

But God wanted Us to Sin, so we could also repent. so we now know the good and the bad.


and could choose, otherwise how could your know?

Paul teaches that iif you have the spirit of God, you do not need law you will do the good by default.

Will came naturally out of you.

Like the way you view this, seeing from your side of the arena

 

[MsLimpet]

Who does the born again, us or God? what is born again water or Spirit?
Is there not onlky one baptism?
Did John say he must decrease and that He needed Baptized of Chirst?
What did he say about his Baptism and Christ's?
Acts 1:5

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

John baptized "with water," but Jesus promised that his apostles should "be baptized in the Holy Spirit shortly after." This baptism in the Holy Spirit is the promise of the Father. It was a promise made in the Old Testament which Peter quoted at Pentecost. Some of the apostles, if not all, had been disciples of John, and had heard John make the promise. (Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:26.) Some had heard of the new birth. (John 3:3-5.) Now they were to know what it really meant, as they already knew in part. (John 20:22.) It is call

It is called a "baptism" to show the abundant and overwhelming outpouring of the Spirit which overwhelmed the spirit of the apostles in the Holy Spirit. "Water" was the element in which John baptized, and "the Holy Spirit" was the element in which the apostles were to be baptized.

 

[faroukfarouk]

John baptized "with water," but Jesus promised that his apostles should "be baptized in the Holy Spirit shortly after." This baptism in the Holy Spirit is the promise of the Father. It was a promise made in the Old Testament which Peter quoted at Pentecost. Some of the apostles, if not all, had been disciples of John, and had heard John make the promise. (Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:26.) Some had heard of the new birth. (John 3:3-5.) Now they were to know what it really meant, as they already knew in part. (John 20:22.) It is call

It is called a "baptism" to show the abundant and overwhelming outpouring of the Spirit which overwhelmed the spirit of the apostles in the Holy Spirit. "Water" was the element in which John baptized, and "the Holy Spirit" was the element in which the apostles were to be baptized.

Pentecost, with the coming of the Spirit to indwell, marked the beginning of the church.