what was the purpose of the law?
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Your words are actually mocking our Lord Jesus Christ, while you accuse me of doing that by my admitting that I still pray the very prayer He commanded us to pray!
Yes, I ask Him forgiveness on a daily basis, and especially examine myself during Holy Communion with Him as Apostle Paul commanded! And I'm supposed to look stupid for doing that? Just who do you think you're getting your ideas from?
Never mind, I already know, and it's not our Lord Jesus, otherwise you would have recognized one who seeks to follow His commandment on this matter.
Yes, I ask Him forgiveness on a daily basis, and especially examine myself during Holy Communion with Him as Apostle Paul commanded! And I'm supposed to look stupid for doing that? Just who do you think you're getting your ideas from?
Never mind, I already know, and it's not our Lord Jesus, otherwise you would have recognized one who seeks to follow His commandment on this matter.
K
I am not trying to make anything contradict, but what it seems that some don't understand is that seeking justification from law observance of trying to keep all the written ordinances is being sinful.
Doing things that the Lord Jesus said we believers would do is not sinful, and the works that is mentioned in Matthew 7:23 are those same works Jesus said we believers would do. These were not works of the law !!!
Anybody who thinks the works mentioned here are works of the law are completely misinformed, it is speaking on continuing to live sinful lives !!!
Doing things that the Lord Jesus said we believers would do is not sinful, and the works that is mentioned in Matthew 7:23 are those same works Jesus said we believers would do. These were not works of the law !!!
Anybody who thinks the works mentioned here are works of the law are completely misinformed, it is speaking on continuing to live sinful lives !!!
If I say I sin you will surely say see you can't live what you preach.
But if I say yes you are correct you will say I am deceived and trying to work my way to heaven.
Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
But if I say yes you are correct you will say I am deceived and trying to work my way to heaven.
Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
I think you have misunderstood what I am saying, The law showed me my problem by showing me what is good. But the law does not stop people from sinning. Jesus does that. The law is like a mirror showing me my uncleanness but the mirror can not clean me. Jesus cleans.
So Yes the Law did show us our sin our short comings our wretchedness. not because the law is bad but rather it shows good and we then see we are not good. Jesus washes the bad away and makes us good thus the law no longer is against us cause Jesus changes us.
So Yes the Law did show us our sin our short comings our wretchedness. not because the law is bad but rather it shows good and we then see we are not good. Jesus washes the bad away and makes us good thus the law no longer is against us cause Jesus changes us.
Maybe could you clarify what you mean when you say the law was not for the Gentiles? I might be misunderstanding you.
I know the law was not given to the gentiles but to the Jews that much is obvious. But Gentiles came to a knowledge of the law through Israel that was Gods will. and they could join themselves to God and His laws through Israel.
I know the law was not given to the gentiles but to the Jews that much is obvious. But Gentiles came to a knowledge of the law through Israel that was Gods will. and they could join themselves to God and His laws through Israel.
I agree with all you said except that Jesus stops people from sinning. I'm saved, I have no doubt about it and I still sin and so does every other Christian in the world. We have a sin nature... it's in our DNA to sin and until the DNA gets changed (our new bodies) we will continue to sin. You still sin also gotime and Jesus continuously washes your sins away just like he does mine.
The purpose of the law is to remind God's people of what they had forgotten from the beginning. The Law existed from day 1, they disobeyed, coveted, murdered, and got what comes after disobedience. From the beginning till now and for ever, there has and will always be a way of life governing God's people.
AMEN!!
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:27
God's law doesn't save but it is a perfect form of government thereafter. Satan can only destroy when this perfection is bypassed and made void. Let us watch for Jesus resisted the devil by quoting the law in truth.
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7 [SUP]
"[/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this."
Isaiah 9:6-7
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:27
God's law doesn't save but it is a perfect form of government thereafter. Satan can only destroy when this perfection is bypassed and made void. Let us watch for Jesus resisted the devil by quoting the law in truth.
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7 [SUP]
"[/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this."
Isaiah 9:6-7
I am curious, You believe in Jesus that is clear. So let me get this strait, you believe he can heal, raise the dead, create something form nothing. In fact nothing is impossible for Him. But he can't free you from sin? Apparently DNA which he created has one up on him?
now I know you believe He can so I am curious why do you believe he wont?
now I know you believe He can so I am curious why do you believe he wont?
Living a sinful life is lacking faith.
Working at the law is lacking faith.
The very thing you try not to do by your works are in fact caused by your works.
Hence the term WORKER of iniquity.
Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Will you ever be able to say to the Lord that you kept the law? No. Then what would be the reason that you think you aren't a worker of iniquity?
Unless you do think you keep the law. In which case, re-read Matthew 5 and come back to me.
Your understanding is that you must be working at the law in order to not be a worker of iniquity. My understanding is that you must be resting from your work at the law in order to not be a worker of iniquity.
You define sin by the law. I define sin by faith.
I can't be sinless by the law, so defining sin by that standard is everlasting condemnation. The law requires work that I can't perform. That's why its called the ministry of condemnation.
But it is possible to be perfected by faith. I choose that. I choose the way that is at least possible. Belief. Faith. In Christ and His Work.
Working at the law is lacking faith.
The very thing you try not to do by your works are in fact caused by your works.
Hence the term WORKER of iniquity.
Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Will you ever be able to say to the Lord that you kept the law? No. Then what would be the reason that you think you aren't a worker of iniquity?
Unless you do think you keep the law. In which case, re-read Matthew 5 and come back to me.
Your understanding is that you must be working at the law in order to not be a worker of iniquity. My understanding is that you must be resting from your work at the law in order to not be a worker of iniquity.
You define sin by the law. I define sin by faith.
I can't be sinless by the law, so defining sin by that standard is everlasting condemnation. The law requires work that I can't perform. That's why its called the ministry of condemnation.
But it is possible to be perfected by faith. I choose that. I choose the way that is at least possible. Belief. Faith. In Christ and His Work.
K
Once again your whole understanding of what or how I am is completely lacking truth, and it shows by you constantly trying to throw Mosaic law keeping on me.
I have not nor have I ever said we have to keep and obey the written ordinances of the Mosaic laws, so please read what I say and stop passing that false allegation on me.
With that being said there is in the new covenant the PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY IN CHRIST, and this set of standards is what the Lord laid out in the gospel books in keeping the moral/Spiritual aspect in our lives.
I never said we can be sinless by the law.............I said the fruit of the Holy Spirit does this, and the bible clearly states and shows this !!!
Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is an active faith that will be full of good works and the fruit of the Spirit !!!
There is only no condemnation for those who walk by the Spirit, those who walk by the flesh are still under condemnation with the rest of the world. The bible says this is why we are convicted for righteousness (chastised for correction), so that we are not condemned with the rest of the world.