what was the purpose of the law?

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The law is already established, Paul said the law is good and spiritual, but the last age, the age of law is gone, it's obsolete now that Messiah came.
 
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Is Paul talking about doing this on purpose after the law is revealed, or is it that it will never really be understood because salvation isn't really there whether we claim it or not? Is Paul saying that there is no excuse for the spiritually mined to purposefully reject its substance?

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:6-7
I will say that Faith pleases GOD and GOD is a Spirit and must be worshiped in spirit and truth.
A person being obedient to the law is purifying the flesh not the spirit but the law is the schoolmaster that leads us to Grace and we are now under Grace JESUS has already came to earth and made atonement.
 

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The ten are just a minor law. There are many sins a person can commit. these ten commands just touch the surface and are not even able to show what all sin is.

The ten were just a thing for God to show. Here, I will give you these ten, and you can't even keep these. If this does not show you your need for me, nothing will.

Sadly, Many have taken these ten, Thought they obeyed them, and rejected Christ as the only way to heaven, Who needs Christ when you have obeyed the ten since birth.


Thats why the law could never make us righteous people (saved righteous, or morally righteous)
I agree with much of this. except the 10 being minor. you can't find a sin that they do not cover unless you are only surface reading them. Jesus showed that they carried a lot further than surface value in the sermon on the mount.

But you are right the law can not make us righteous or saved or morally righteous. But the Good news is Jesus saves us and he make us morally righteous by His indwelling Spirit.
 

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No one can keep the law perfectly in their own strength. but God never expected anyone to do so. That is why we must become partakers of the divine nature. Filled with His Spirit. Unless Jesus can stop us from sinning then His death does not fix the problem. The problem is sin. Death is a result of that problem. The law was added because of that problem.

Jesus died to free us from sin.
 
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No one can keep the law perfectly in their own strength. but God never expected anyone to do so. That is why we must become partakers of the divine nature. Filled with His Spirit. Unless Jesus can stop us from sinning then His death does not fix the problem. The problem is sin. Death is a result of that problem. The law was added because of that problem.

Jesus died to free us from sin.
And then it was taken out of the way because the solution came.
 
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And then it was taken out of the way because the solution came.
It, meaning a substantial part God's spoken word within the Old Covenant with Israel I presume?

So some of God's words were taken out of the way so God's Word (Jesus) could preform the solution. That's quite interesting but extremely complex and difficult to follow because it is intricately folded, twisted, or coiled. I think the term is called "convoluted."

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It, meaning a substantial part God's spoken word within the Old Covenant with Israel I presume?

So some of God's words were taken out of the way so God's Word (Jesus) could preform the solution. That's quite interesting but extremely complex and difficult to follow because it is intricately folded, twisted, or coiled. I think the term is called "convoluted."

synonyms
intricate
labyrinthine

perplexing

puzzling

tangled

tortuous

baffling

confused

elaborate

involved

complex

impenetrable



Is passing from dispensation to dispensation convoluted, God had a progressive revelation of himself, a progressive truth. The dispensation or age of law became obselete so the fuller revelation through Jesus could come.

You Neo-Jews is convoluted.
 
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I really don't understand why so many brethren still struggle with this matter.

Per Galatians, Apostle Paul showed that IF... we walk by The Spirit, then we will not do anything against God's laws, because walking by The Holy Spirit, there is no such law against.

But what if the believer begins to fall away, and goes on a shoplifting sprea? Then that is not... walking by The Spirit, and that one then places theirself back under the curse of the law. It could even mean some jail time! Keep doing those things Paul put in that list there in Gal.5 about the wicked, and it can keep you out of the Kingdom of God.

Thus Apostle Paul in a few words summed up 'how' we are to walk in Christ Jesus, and what will happen if we fall away and do the works of the devil instead. For this reason God's laws on many things are still in operation today, as it was made for the wicked like Paul also taught.

Doe this mean a fallen brother/sister is cut off from Christ's Salvation for ever, that they cannot be saved if they believed, but turned to the works of the devil? Gladly, that's not my decision, but our Lord Jesus' only. In fear and trembling, work out your own salvation Paul said. This is why the OSAS doctrine of men can be a very dangerous thing.
 
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It, meaning a substantial part God's spoken word within the Old Covenant with Israel I presume?

So some of God's words were taken out of the way so God's Word (Jesus) could preform the solution. That's quite interesting but extremely complex and difficult to follow because it is intricately folded, twisted, or coiled. I think the term is called "convoluted."


I guess if you don't really believe what's written in the NT it is.
 

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An often missed purpose of the Law...to prepare God's True Sacrifice...

Hebrews 10:1-5 KJV
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. [2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. [4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. [5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 10:7-10 KJV
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein ; which are offered by the law; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all .
 
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I really don't understand why so many brethren still struggle with this matter.

Per Galatians, Apostle Paul showed that IF... we walk by The Spirit, then we will not do anything against God's laws, because walking by The Holy Spirit, there is no such law against.

But what if the believer begins to fall away, and goes on a shoplifting sprea? Then that is not... walking by The Spirit, and that one then places theirself back under the curse of the law. It could even mean some jail time! Keep doing those things Paul put in that list there in Gal.5 about the wicked, and it can keep you out of the Kingdom of God.

Thus Apostle Paul in a few words summed up 'how' we are to walk in Christ Jesus, and what will happen if we fall away and do the works of the devil instead. For this reason God's laws on many things are still in operation today, as it was made for the wicked like Paul also taught.

Doe this mean a fallen brother/sister is cut off from Christ's Salvation for ever, that they cannot be saved if they believed, but turned to the works of the devil? Gladly, that's not my decision, but our Lord Jesus' only. In fear and trembling, work out your own salvation Paul said. This is why the OSAS doctrine of men can be a very dangerous thing.
Paul, said that "we are delievered from the law". I'll never tire of saying this, but the Law never was given to Gentiles and I am not under law.

The letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive.

A Christian or not, being a Judaizer is about bringing others into dead and bondage, they are ministers of death.
 

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Something else, not all of God's laws to Israel were part of the 'old covenant'. If that were true then our Lord Jesus and His Apostle Paul would not have proclaimed things like murder still being a sin.
 
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An often missed purpose of the Law...to prepare God's True Sacrifice...

Hebrews 10:1-5 KJV
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. [2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. [4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. [5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 10:7-10 KJV
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein ; which are offered by the law; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all .
Exactly. He had to provide a legal framework for the administration of justice.
 
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I agree with much of this. except the 10 being minor. you can't find a sin that they do not cover unless you are only surface reading them. Jesus showed that they carried a lot further than surface value in the sermon on the mount.

But you are right the law can not make us righteous or saved or morally righteous. But the Good news is Jesus saves us and he make us morally righteous by His indwelling Spirit.

well to me Jesus showed how week they were in the sermon on the mount.

If a law can not tell us all the possibilities of what that sin is, it is not very strong law.
 

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Yes it gets me how people try to make this say it is because they trusted in their works, when that is not even the context of that passage.

The part of iniquity that keeps getting left off is exactly what you have said; meaning being lawless, law breakers, or continues to deliberately be sinful.

I don't blame them because that is how they were taught, but the response was a plea to why they were not receiving eternal life. Just like a person who works a job and thinks they are doing it properly, and then one day comes in and is told they are fired. If this happened to any of us would we just turn and walk out, or would we not ask why ???
You aren't getting it because you assume that workers of iniquity are those who aren't working at the law. That isn't so. Its far from it. The workers of iniquity are working at the law. Which is what makes them lawless, because they break it, over and over.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Workers of iniquity, those who lack faith in Christ. Not those who aren't busy working at the law.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


You and gotime are trying to make Matthew 7:23 contradict Galatians 3:11.
 
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Is passing from dispensation to dispensation convoluted, God had a progressive revelation of himself, a progressive truth. The dispensation or age of law became obselete so the fuller revelation through Jesus could come.

You Neo-Jews is convoluted.
I would suppose then that Zechariah 14:16-19 (being a dispensation of the past) is then a misnomer, and a reconnoitering in God's thoughts for the future. Revelation 21-22

 
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