what was the purpose of the law?
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people do not get it
1. The law showed what sinners we are, and our need for christ for we all have broken the law
2. The law showed through symbolism (through feasts and holidays) what Gods provision woul be and how to recognize him when he got here
3. the law showed the payment for sin the was required in the sacrifice..
and people want to go back to that
1. The law showed what sinners we are, and our need for christ for we all have broken the law
2. The law showed through symbolism (through feasts and holidays) what Gods provision woul be and how to recognize him when he got here
3. the law showed the payment for sin the was required in the sacrifice..
and people want to go back to that
So, true! And speaking of the law through symbolism, the Pharisees and the religious leaders were in such a hurry have Jesus' body taken down before sunset in order to celebrate the Passover feast, that they didn't even realize that they had sacrificed the true Passover Lamb, which the feast had always been pointing to.
You misunderstand why Paul said in 1 Timothy 1:8-11 that the law was made for the wicked and not the righteous man, and that "... the law is good, if a man use it lawfully".
That has nothing against God's saving Grace through His Son's Blood shed upon the cross. It has to do with controlling evil and wickedness in our society.
That has nothing against God's saving Grace through His Son's Blood shed upon the cross. It has to do with controlling evil and wickedness in our society.
Sin is the problem guys, the law points it out not makes it. sin was here before the law was given.
The law shows sin by showing what is good. sin is breaking it or doing what is wrong/bad.
If Jesus saves us from sin/dong bad/breaking the law. then we are doing right/keeping the law. if you still do evil then you are not saved from it but remain slaves to it.
The reason I go on about keeping the law is not because you get saved by it. no rather being saved is what makes us keep it.
its simple reasoning for example:
A man has dirt on his face, he sees himself every day in a mirror but never seems to mind as he looks like other people. then someone gives the man a picture of a person with a clean face and the man realizes that his face is not as clean as he thought, but alas the picture has no power to clean him or change his appearance. So he seeks for a solution and is given water where he washes his face. The next time he looks in the mirror he sees that his face now looks like the picture clean.
The dirt is sin, the picture the law and the water is the blood of Christ.
If the man still looks different from the picture then he is not clean. but looking like the picture is not what cleans him but rather the water.
SO it is with the law, the law is good and when we look upon it we see that we are not good as we do not measure up. the law itself can not change that or help with that it only makes us aware that we are not right and are in need of help. Jesus sacrifice is the water that takes away the dirt/sin of our lives. Thus when we look at the picture/law we now see that we no longer different to it but rather are clean.
The law shows sin by showing what is good. sin is breaking it or doing what is wrong/bad.
If Jesus saves us from sin/dong bad/breaking the law. then we are doing right/keeping the law. if you still do evil then you are not saved from it but remain slaves to it.
The reason I go on about keeping the law is not because you get saved by it. no rather being saved is what makes us keep it.
its simple reasoning for example:
A man has dirt on his face, he sees himself every day in a mirror but never seems to mind as he looks like other people. then someone gives the man a picture of a person with a clean face and the man realizes that his face is not as clean as he thought, but alas the picture has no power to clean him or change his appearance. So he seeks for a solution and is given water where he washes his face. The next time he looks in the mirror he sees that his face now looks like the picture clean.
The dirt is sin, the picture the law and the water is the blood of Christ.
If the man still looks different from the picture then he is not clean. but looking like the picture is not what cleans him but rather the water.
SO it is with the law, the law is good and when we look upon it we see that we are not good as we do not measure up. the law itself can not change that or help with that it only makes us aware that we are not right and are in need of help. Jesus sacrifice is the water that takes away the dirt/sin of our lives. Thus when we look at the picture/law we now see that we no longer different to it but rather are clean.
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Nothing wrong in examining yourself and stopping sin. It is however a slippery slope using the law to do this. It is very easy to see yourself as justified by obedience or judged because of rebellion. It becomes easy to loose sight of the grace of Jesus which justifies the ungodly. There is no grace where a debt is owed. Grace is only to those who do not deserve it.
It's much better to just ask the Holy Spirit to reveal sins in your life that need addressed while trusting the whole time on the grace of your relationship to help you where you are weak. We need to always keep our eyes on Christ and only his sacrifice as our justification. I don't see how it's possible to have your eyes on Christ and on yourself at the same time, for the law will always cause you to look at yourself.
It's much better to just ask the Holy Spirit to reveal sins in your life that need addressed while trusting the whole time on the grace of your relationship to help you where you are weak. We need to always keep our eyes on Christ and only his sacrifice as our justification. I don't see how it's possible to have your eyes on Christ and on yourself at the same time, for the law will always cause you to look at yourself.
Galatians 3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
All of you who seek to be under the law: The great Apostle of the Lord calls you foolish. Paul would scold you.
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
All of you who seek to be under the law: The great Apostle of the Lord calls you foolish. Paul would scold you.
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isaiah 28:13
Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. Isaiah 8:13-15
Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. Isaiah 8:13-15
The matter is common sense. Do we in Christ think it's OK to murder now since He washed away our sins?
No, of course not. Even if one saved does murder after coming to Christ, would that one not be judged by a law? Aren't those who would call that law "man's law" just making excuse, since man got the judgments against murder from God? (Yes, even in America man's laws against murder originated from The Bible.)
Are those convicted of murder in prison immediately released if they turn to Christ Jesus and are baptized in Him? No, of course not. (Whether it helps the murderer get a parole later is a different subject.)
The preachers who teach that our Lord Jesus nailed all the law on His cross have grossly misunderstood what the law is for and about. Apostle Paul taught that IF we walk by The Spirit, then we are dead to the law; that doesn't mean all of God's laws were done away with. It means by walking in The Spirit we won't be doing anything against the law.
Gal 5:18-25
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
Paul put an "if" there in his statement of Gal.5:18. An "if" presents a condition.
Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV
What does "remission of sins that are past" mean? I thought Christ remits all our sin forever after we believe on Him and are baptized??? No! When we first come to Christ and believe, and are baptized in Him, all sin from that point backwards is forgiven.
In 1 John 1 we are shown that we need to repent of slip-ups that we make after... having come to Christ and baptized. That is one of the purposes of Holy Communion time we have with Jesus. Apostle Paul said let a man examine himself in that time of Communion (1 Cor.11:25-30).
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV
The many 'hirelings' in today's Churches have corrupted this understanding by not properly teaching it like the Scripture actually is written. That's why so many brethren today think all they need do is believe and be baptized in Christ, and then no matter what they do afterwards they think they have no need to repent of it to Christ.
No, of course not. Even if one saved does murder after coming to Christ, would that one not be judged by a law? Aren't those who would call that law "man's law" just making excuse, since man got the judgments against murder from God? (Yes, even in America man's laws against murder originated from The Bible.)
Are those convicted of murder in prison immediately released if they turn to Christ Jesus and are baptized in Him? No, of course not. (Whether it helps the murderer get a parole later is a different subject.)
The preachers who teach that our Lord Jesus nailed all the law on His cross have grossly misunderstood what the law is for and about. Apostle Paul taught that IF we walk by The Spirit, then we are dead to the law; that doesn't mean all of God's laws were done away with. It means by walking in The Spirit we won't be doing anything against the law.
Gal 5:18-25
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
Paul put an "if" there in his statement of Gal.5:18. An "if" presents a condition.
Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV
What does "remission of sins that are past" mean? I thought Christ remits all our sin forever after we believe on Him and are baptized??? No! When we first come to Christ and believe, and are baptized in Him, all sin from that point backwards is forgiven.
In 1 John 1 we are shown that we need to repent of slip-ups that we make after... having come to Christ and baptized. That is one of the purposes of Holy Communion time we have with Jesus. Apostle Paul said let a man examine himself in that time of Communion (1 Cor.11:25-30).
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV
The many 'hirelings' in today's Churches have corrupted this understanding by not properly teaching it like the Scripture actually is written. That's why so many brethren today think all they need do is believe and be baptized in Christ, and then no matter what they do afterwards they think they have no need to repent of it to Christ.
If you think we have no need of repentance to Christ Jesus of slip-ups after having believed on Him and baptized in Him, then you go directly against the Scriptures. Obviously, I am not a believer in the "Once saved, always saved" doctrine of men.
And if you really believe that Rom.3:25 is only about forgiveness of sin for those up to the time of His death and resurrection, then that would mean all born after that have no remission of sins, i.e., like us today.
And if you really believe that Rom.3:25 is only about forgiveness of sin for those up to the time of His death and resurrection, then that would mean all born after that have no remission of sins, i.e., like us today.