What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
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Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
About the original question "What would keep them form killing themselves?"
To be honest I find it a very weird question.
If the ONLY thing keeping person from killing themselves is fear of spending eternity in hell then that person must be going through hell already.
What would keep them from killing themselves?
- Compassion / Family and friends caring
- Professional counceling
- Maybe medicines
- The few good times in between the bad times
About the original question "What would keep them form killing themselves?"
To be honest I find it a very weird question.
If the ONLY thing keeping person from killing themselves is fear of spending eternity in hell then that person must be going through hell already.
What would keep them from killing themselves?
- Compassion / Family and friends caring
- Professional counceling
- Maybe medicines
- The few good times in between the bad times
Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
Read it again...
God clearly says WE are His Temple... and if one destroys God's temple, God will destroy Him.
It says exactly that.
1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
You could always go test it out and see if that's what it means or not.
If ya do, meet me by the tree of life right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb... if you are a no show, we'll know fo sho that's exactly what the Lord is saying here.
Read it again...
God clearly says WE are His Temple... and if one destroys God's temple, God will destroy Him.
It says exactly that.
1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
You could always go test it out and see if that's what it means or not.
If ya do, meet me by the tree of life right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb... if you are a no show, we'll know fo sho that's exactly what the Lord is saying here.
Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
I have heard that said as well. " A True Believer in Christ would never contemplate suicide " My response to the person claiming this is more or less the same, namely, where does the Bible teach this? I am not aware of this being taught anywhere in the Bible. Often this person simply feels like this is true, sometimes they feel this quite strongly. How we feel about something doesn't make it any more or any less true. The primary question is always going to be, what does the Bible teach about this issue, We feel many things to be true and at times we feel them to be true very intensely, that however does not make the thing true, Truth stands separately from our feelings. With that said the book of Jonah comes to mind, in Jonah 4:8 Jonah is depressed and seems that he is considering suicide as he says that he begged with all his soul to die. I think its safe to say that Jonah was a believer in the Lord. In 1 Kings 19:4 Elijah has become depressed and wants to die, He was a true believer as well. Its also important to understand that Christ accepts everyone that comes to him. Sometimes people come to Christ who are deeply damaged and have severe mental health issues. Along these lines some people have very real mental heath problems such as bi-polar disorder, borderline personally disorder, clinical depression etc. At times these believers take their own life's, it doesn't mean they go to hell.
I have heard that said as well. " A True Believer in Christ would never contemplate suicide " My response to the person claiming this is more or less the same, namely, where does the Bible teach this? I am not aware of this being taught anywhere in the Bible. Often this person simply feels like this is true, sometimes they feel this quite strongly. How we feel about something doesn't make it any more or any less true. The primary question is always going to be, what does the Bible teach about this issue, We feel many things to be true and at times we feel them to be true very intensely, that however does not make the thing true, Truth stands separately from our feelings. With that said the book of Jonah comes to mind, in Jonah 4:8 Jonah is depressed and seems that he is considering suicide as he says that he begged with all his soul to die. I think its safe to say that Jonah was a believer in the Lord. In 1 Kings 19:4 Elijah has become depressed and wants to die, He was a true believer as well. Its also important to understand that Christ accepts everyone that comes to him. Sometimes people come to Christ who are deeply damaged and have severe mental health issues. Along these lines some people have very real mental heath problems such as bi-polar disorder, borderline personally disorder, clinical depression etc. At times these believers take their own life's, it doesn't mean they go to hell.
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Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
I think I know what you're talking about.
Not for nothing, but have always wanted to die right after the horizontal bop with my hubby -- both of us going at the exact same time. 
(I doubt I'll get that, but if what a great send off. lol)
(I doubt I'll get that, but if what a great send off. lol)
Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
What would stop any Christian from committing suicide, if a person get that far. I've known of people that believed that they could lose their salvation that took their own life.
I'd like to clear something up for you. OSAS is not a very go description of what has happened as a Christian. Once we are justified, we are always justified, justification declares us not guilty for our sins, if God were to judge us for the same crime (our sin) that would be double jeopardy. Here's where the problem starts is that people think that someone saying a prayer saves them automatically, it doesn't can it, I hope so. We must be born again or born of God read 1 John and you will see all the fruit of a person born of God. If you are read a translation that has "will not sin" keep 1:8-10 in mind. It would just be easier if you read the ESV.
Answer to your question, I don't know if any doctrine would stop anyone that has got that far in life to consider taking their life.
What would stop any Christian from committing suicide, if a person get that far. I've known of people that believed that they could lose their salvation that took their own life.
I'd like to clear something up for you. OSAS is not a very go description of what has happened as a Christian. Once we are justified, we are always justified, justification declares us not guilty for our sins, if God were to judge us for the same crime (our sin) that would be double jeopardy. Here's where the problem starts is that people think that someone saying a prayer saves them automatically, it doesn't can it, I hope so. We must be born again or born of God read 1 John and you will see all the fruit of a person born of God. If you are read a translation that has "will not sin" keep 1:8-10 in mind. It would just be easier if you read the ESV.
Answer to your question, I don't know if any doctrine would stop anyone that has got that far in life to consider taking their life.
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The evil one is always seeking to destroy us. Before we are saved he wants to destroy us so we are lost for eternity. After we are saved he wants to destroy us to ruin our testimony for our Savior Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the person who holds back the evil one from doing what he does according to his nature.
Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The evil one is always seeking to destroy us. Before we are saved he wants to destroy us so we are lost for eternity. After we are saved he wants to destroy us to ruin our testimony for our Savior Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the person who holds back the evil one from doing what he does according to his nature.
Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
I want to pose another question. What would prevent a person who didn't believe in original sin from killing their babies in the womb? It seems like the most merciful thing to do, as it would prevent the possibility of this infant from losing his salvation.
My point is I don't think we always rationalize every decision. This is especially true in dire circumstances.
Regarding committing suicide, generally if one is considering that, they are at a low point spiritually, and in such a state, they are not going to have assurance of salvation. It is my experience that assurance of salvation declines as one sinks to a lower state of spiritual condition. So, I doubt if a person who is considering suicide will possess a strong sense of assurance of salvation, even if they are secure.
If I were thinking that way, I'd wonder if I was saved, if Jesus isn't enough to help me in that situation. I think suicide is more of a reaction to fear of the future many times, and fear is antithetical to faith.
Just some thoughts.
I want to pose another question. What would prevent a person who didn't believe in original sin from killing their babies in the womb? It seems like the most merciful thing to do, as it would prevent the possibility of this infant from losing his salvation.
My point is I don't think we always rationalize every decision. This is especially true in dire circumstances.
Regarding committing suicide, generally if one is considering that, they are at a low point spiritually, and in such a state, they are not going to have assurance of salvation. It is my experience that assurance of salvation declines as one sinks to a lower state of spiritual condition. So, I doubt if a person who is considering suicide will possess a strong sense of assurance of salvation, even if they are secure.
If I were thinking that way, I'd wonder if I was saved, if Jesus isn't enough to help me in that situation. I think suicide is more of a reaction to fear of the future many times, and fear is antithetical to faith.
Just some thoughts.
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Tell that to Paul Rom 6.1. Because he believed in OSAS (or better, in God's unfailing promises') he was accused of that too
His reply is that they HAVE DIED with Christ and been raised with Him That is why they don't even think like that.
Tell that to Paul Rom 6.1. Because he believed in OSAS (or better, in God's unfailing promises') he was accused of that too
His reply is that they HAVE DIED with Christ and been raised with Him That is why they don't even think like that.
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Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
It amuses me that people judge God's eternal promises to His own (John 6.39) by how it could affect the thinking of someone who didn't truly believe in Christ. God didn't begin His eternal purposes with that in mind. He began His eternal purpose of grace only with a view to saving men and women. And having chosen to do so, and having written their names in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world, He called, justified and glorified them.
He then, having eternally saved them, changed their lives so that having died with Christ they might 'rise' with Him and thus be no longer under the dominion of sin. This is what we are in Christ. He has changed us utterly. Now He is working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. To suggest that He will fail to carry out His purpose is monstrous.
We observe only a tiny part of His great work. Who are we to say He will not keep His promises to save to the end all who truly believe into Him?.
It amuses me that people judge God's eternal promises to His own (John 6.39) by how it could affect the thinking of someone who didn't truly believe in Christ. God didn't begin His eternal purposes with that in mind. He began His eternal purpose of grace only with a view to saving men and women. And having chosen to do so, and having written their names in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world, He called, justified and glorified them.
He then, having eternally saved them, changed their lives so that having died with Christ they might 'rise' with Him and thus be no longer under the dominion of sin. This is what we are in Christ. He has changed us utterly. Now He is working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. To suggest that He will fail to carry out His purpose is monstrous.
We observe only a tiny part of His great work. Who are we to say He will not keep His promises to save to the end all who truly believe into Him?.
Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
Personally, I am a true believer in Christ. A believer who has not only thought about suicide throughout my life, but also a believer who has attempted it a few times. Believers and unbelievers alike, think about committing suicide at some point in their lives. I must admit, the fear of going to hell has kept me from going through with it. When a Christian has suicidal thoughts, it does NOT make them any less of a Christian, nor does it make them an unbeliever.
Personally, I am a true believer in Christ. A believer who has not only thought about suicide throughout my life, but also a believer who has attempted it a few times. Believers and unbelievers alike, think about committing suicide at some point in their lives. I must admit, the fear of going to hell has kept me from going through with it. When a Christian has suicidal thoughts, it does NOT make them any less of a Christian, nor does it make them an unbeliever.
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Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
People who have lost hope here on earth for whatever reason. And sees no hope of getting better. And if Satan sees they are weak in spirit, Then he will keep pushing and pushing And if a persons faith is weak. He can and does at times win.
It does not mean God will kick a true child out of his family. To try to determine a persons salvation in this case is just pride. No one can know. Only God knows.
People who have lost hope here on earth for whatever reason. And sees no hope of getting better. And if Satan sees they are weak in spirit, Then he will keep pushing and pushing And if a persons faith is weak. He can and does at times win.
It does not mean God will kick a true child out of his family. To try to determine a persons salvation in this case is just pride. No one can know. Only God knows.
Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
All we can do is lift up the hands of those who are weak.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
All we can do is lift up the hands of those who are weak.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
For the cause of Christ
Roger