What's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

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FreeNChrist

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mpaper345 said:
And people need to stop this,for in this sense there is no difference between the Old and the New,the only difference in the New is we do not go by the physical ordinances,and we can have the Spirit,everything else is the same.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law.

God gave Moses the law,the Old covenant,they had to obey the commandments,and be obedient to God,for then the responsibility is on the people.

God gave the us the Son to wash away our sins,the New covenant,which we have to obey the commandments,and be obedient to God,for then the responsibility is on the people.

There is no difference between the Old and the New,except we do not go by the physical ordinances,but only the laws of love,and we can have the Spirit,but we always have to obey God's commandments,and be obedient to Him,and once we receive the Spirit then the responsibility lies on us,for God is not going to twist our arm to live for Him,that is why the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,and if you do not continue in God's goodness,you will be cut off.

People try to take away the responsibility of the person,but when God gives the covenant,you learn of it,and then the responsibility is on you,for God gave it,done what He could do,now it is up to you to obey it.

Jesus connected us to God,and we receive the Spirit,Jesus did what He could do,now the responsibility is on us,to maintain the position that Jesus caused to be in us,that is why Jesus said any person putting their hand to the plow looking back,is not fit for the kingdom of God.

The Bible says if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit.

If you are led of the Spirit you are not under the law,which means you are abstaining from sin,so the law cannot touch you for prosecution,not that you do not have to obey the law,or it does not apply to you,for Paul said we establish the law.

The law being fulfilled by Jesus does not mean that the law does not apply to us,but He is a sinless man that fulfilled the law,and is right with God to be able to be our Savior,and if we confess Him,and are led by the Spirit,then the law is fulfilled in us,why,because we are obeying the spiritual law,abstaining from sin.

The spiritual law applies to the saints more than it applies to anybody in the history of mankind,because they have the Spirit to be able to live up to the law,not that the law does not apply to them.

Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Contrary to what some people believe,there is more responsibility on the New Testament believer than on the Old Testament believer,to do what is right,but some people want to take it away,because there is no difference between the Old and New,God gives the covenant,you obey His commandments,and be obedient to Him,and all the more in the New covenant.
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So the good news is really bad news? I'll be danged. :rolleyes:
 
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Drcraig1 said:
So is it acceptable to subtract Passover and add communion and believe they contain the same promise of forgiveness of sins?

Revelation: 22. 18. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
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Jesus provides more than just the promise of forgiveness, He is in Himself the propitiation of our sins. We have forgiveness because we have Him. And unlike the lamb who died and stayed dead, this Lamb rose again to life. And because He lives, we who are His live as well.
 
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Drcraig1 said:
So is it acceptable to subtract Passover and add communion.
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That was both final Passover and the first communion. It was Jesus marking the end of the Old and the beginning of the New. Jesus Himself made that transition, taking the components of the last Passover and redefining them as the elements of His table. The next day He who is the true Passover Lamb, would be slain. And the Reality and the substance would come and the symbols and the shadows would cease.
 
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Drcraig1 said:
It was not physical blood Jesus shed on the cross that gives us forgiveness of sins, but the blood (wine) of the Passover ceremony

Matthew: 26. 26. While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." 27. Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

When Jesus died on the cross, the old way of doing the Passover became obsolete and the new way was put into effect.
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When Jesus died on the cross the old way of "doing" in its entirety became obsolete.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
When Jesus died on the cross the old way of "doing" in its entirety became obsolete.
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But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth
[therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25 (KJV, MBM)


So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalms 119:44-45 (KJV, MBM)
 
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disciplemike said:
The law of God is not bondage.
Did God bring the children of Israel out of bondage in Egypt, only to put them back in bondage at Mt. Sinai?

Sin is the bondage.
The rules and traditions of men are bondage.

The law of God is not bondage - It is liberty!
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And the Law is the power of sin.
 
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Drcraig1 said:
Let's see how the Jesus gave his Love 2000 years ago

Matthew: 22. 35. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36. "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37. Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38. This is the first and greatest commandment.

The greatest command is to love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind. So let's see how to love the Lord with allyour hear, soul, and mind.


2 Kings: 23. 25. Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the Lord as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the Law of Moses.

But what did king Josiah do to love the Lord with all his heart, soul, and strength?

2 Kings: 23. 21. The king gave this order to all the people: "Celebrate the Passover to the Lord your God, as it is written in this Book of the Covenant." 22. Neither in the days of the judges who led Israel nor in the days of the kings of Israel and the kings of Judah had any such Passover been observed.
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You've missed the Cross entirely.
 
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disciplemike said:
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth
[therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25 (KJV, MBM)


So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalms 119:44-45 (KJV, MBM)
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This says he will be blessed. Not saved, Different meaning.
 
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disciplemike said:
who said anything about being "saved"?
i was replying to the gentleman who says it is not about "doing".
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And the context of his remark was about being saved..
 
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jaybird88 said:
i never understood this? of course people broke the law at times. sin is in our nature, its gonna happen.
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That's kinda the point. The Law does not ask you for your best effort, it demands of you perfect compliance. If you do not water down the Law to make yourself feel good about your "keeping" of it, you will see yourself as the failure that you are. And the hope is that seeing yourself as you really are will lead you to see your need for a Savior. The Law leads the humble to Christ, it does not lead you back to itself.
 
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disciplemike said:
imagine a paradise with no law.
if that appeals to you, go hang out in any major city after midnight. you will love it.
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there will be no law in paradise There will be no need of a law. Everyone will perform the law of love flawlessly.

That city you speak of. Proves no law can make a person righteous.. Which is what scripture says over and over.

A law is not given to make people obey, it is given to prove people are breakers of the law. And let them know what will happen.

According to moses, Death was the punishment (curse)
 
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disciplemike said:
imagine a paradise with no law.
if that appeals to you, go hang out in any major city after midnight. you will love it.
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I'd rather imagine, if so inclined, a Paradise with no need for law.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
That's kinda the point. The Law does not ask you for your best effort, it demands of you perfect compliance. If you do not water down the Law to make yourself feel good about your "keeping" of it, you will see yourself as the failure that you are. And the hope is that seeing yourself as you really are will lead you to see your need for a Savior. The Law leads the humble to Christ, it does not lead you back to itself.
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This is the problem of legalism.. The pharisees could not get this, Niether do modern day "law"yers..
 
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disciplemike said:
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth
[therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25 (KJV, MBM)


So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalms 119:44-45 (KJV, MBM)
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The 'law of liberty' is not old covenant law.
 
disciplemike

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FreeNChrist said:
I'd rather imagine, if so inclined, a Paradise with no need for law.
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wait, did God say He was writing His laws on our hearts and minds?
or did He say He was erasing all laws from our hearts and our minds?
wake up.
 
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disciplemike said:
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth
[therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25 (KJV, MBM)


So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalms 119:44-45 (KJV, MBM)
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The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6). What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals his righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness
 
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