When are we saved ?

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throughfaith

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Christ's death on the cross paid for all of the sins of those that God gave him, and he will not lose any of them, After the atonement, God looks upon those that Christ died for, as holy and without blame. He also calls them kings and priests.
no the bible clearly says He reconciled the world . 2cor 5 19
 

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I know brother

but the person you are discussing is At war, and will not give an inch, that’s why he denies the atonement
Well fortunately for us we are not responsible for other peoples beliefs.. They are.. All we can do is share the Gospel and give warning to others that false doctrines are being pushed here.. Each person is responsbile for what they reject and what they embrace in regards to the Word of God..
 

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So you were saved 2000 years ago were you ?
I was saved the moment i believed Jesus And believed His Atoning self sacrifice on the cross paid the death penalty that was due upon me..

2000 Years ago God foreknow me and knew the exact moment in the future when i would embrace the love of His truth..
 
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I was saved the moment i believed Jesus And believed His Atoning self sacrifice on the cross paid the death penalty that was due upon me..

2000 Years ago God foreknow me and knew the exact moment in the future when i would embrace the love of His truth..
Almost like the gospel. So simple, yet so hard for many
 

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@Adstar
Has he actually denied the Atonement of Christ ?
...xox...
I quote his first two denials..

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves.
Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement.
How much clearer can the rejection of the saving Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ be?

Salvation by the Atoneing sacrafice of the LORD Jesus, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world..

Isaiah 53: KJV
7 "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. {8} He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. {9} And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. {10} ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. {11} He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."
 

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I was saved the moment i believed Jesus And believed His Atoning self sacrifice on the cross paid the death penalty that was due upon me..

2000 Years ago God foreknow me and knew the exact moment in the future when i would embrace the love of His truth..
We are only known as a son After regeneration. Before this we are eph 11 onwards .
 
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Yes the way of salvation is easy.. Jesus declared that his yoke was light and it is.. But some people simply cannot believe it is that easy..
Just like predestination, it’s easy, but some just can not fathom it For whatever reason.
 

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I quote his first two denials..



How much clearer can the rejection of the saving Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ be?

Salvation by the Atoneing sacrafice of the LORD Jesus, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world..

Isaiah 53: KJV
7 "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. {8} He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. {9} And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. {10} ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. {11} He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."
Thank you @Adstar for clarifying this...
...xox...
 

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I was saved the moment i believed Jesus And believed His Atoning self sacrifice on the cross paid the death penalty that was due upon me..

2000 Years ago God foreknow me and knew the exact moment in the future when i would embrace the love of His truth..
What does Gods ' knowledge ' ahead of time ( him being outside of time ) having anything to do with you believing ?
 

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We are only known as a son After regeneration. Before this we are eph 11 onwards .
I already answered this point before..

We are know as a Son after we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement he secured..

But the LORD foreknow we would be sons at the moment of creation..
 

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I already answered this point before..

We are know as a Son after we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement he secured..

But the LORD foreknow we would be sons at the moment of creation..
And what do you believe this ' knowledge God had did towards you believing later ? Are you simply saying he knew and thats it ?
 

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We're born again by regeneration, BECAUSE of the DEATH and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I'm not sure what your point is in trying to separate the Gospel unto Salvation.

You cannot have life until you acknowledge He died to pay YOUR sin debt. NO ONE can be saved without that fact.

1 Peter 2:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
Romans 1:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Paul preached the WHOLE Gospel. He didn't go around saying " Believe in the Life of Jesus".

No. He preached Jesus's atoning DEATH and resurrection. He said he strove to know nothing but Christ, and Him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
1 Corinthians 1:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

And just so we're clear what THE Gospel unto Salvation is by which we stand, that Paul CLEARLY states:

1 Corinthians 15 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
I agree that we are regenerated by God after we believe the Gospel , which is 1cor 15.1-4
 

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And what do you believe this ' knowledge God had did towards you believing later ? Are you simply saying he knew and thats it ?
Yes He foreknew all the people who would believe in Him before they where born.. How many more ways can i say the same thing?

As for the process of being saved. The Lord moves people through the conviction of the Holy Spirit and they either respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit by embracing the Gospel truth or they resist the moving of the Holy Spirit and reject the Way He has made for them to be saved.
 

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I already answered this point before..

We are know as a Son after we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement he secured..

But the LORD foreknow we would be sons at the moment of creation..
Nothing is ' secured ' for anyone in the sense being predestined to the redemption of the body until the atonement is received.
 

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Yes He foreknew all the people who would believe in Him before they where born.. How many more ways can i say the same thing?

As for the process of being saved. The Lord moves people through the conviction of the Holy Spirit and they either respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit by embracing the Gospel truth or they resist the moving of the Holy Spirit and reject the Way He has made for them to be saved.
I'm just asking why the need to labour on the part of Gods ' knowledge ' of this . Does this knowledge cause some to believe ? Great if your simply Saying God knows all things . But of course we are not ' known ' as a son ,until we become a son .
 

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Nothing is ' secured ' for anyone in the sense being predestined to the redemption of the body until the atonement is received.
In the eyes of God it is secure,, For those who He foreknows will embrace His Way of salvation and persist in it till the end of their lives.. Thats why He can predestine them to be conformed to the image of his son.. We shall look like Jesus as revealed in the Book of Revelation Chapter 1 when we are transformed into our eternal soul..

Romans 8: KJV
29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Revelation 1: KJV

12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; {13} And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. {14} His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; {15} And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."
 

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It does not matter, because the inspired scriptures will never change. Malachi 3:6, For I am the Lord, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob/Israel (God's elect) are not consumed.
Colossians. 2

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Notice its THROUGH FAITH
In the eyes of God it is secure,, For those who He foreknows will embrace His Way of salvation and persist in it till the end of their lives.. Thats why He can predestine them to be conformed to the image of his son.. We shall look like Jesus as revealed in the Book of Revelation Chapter 1 when we are transformed into our eternal soul..

Romans 8: KJV
29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Revelation 1: KJV

12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; {13} And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. {14} His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; {15} And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."
No I think your mixing up Gods knowledge with determination. God gave Adam dominion. We have the choice . We are ONLY known as a Son after regeneration. Until then we are lost and without hope ,without God . Ephesians 2 .
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
What your sharing is a paradigm .
 

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I'm just asking why the need to labour on the part of Gods ' knowledge ' of this . Does this knowledge cause some to believe ? Great if your simply Saying God knows all things . But of course we are not ' known ' as a son ,until we become a son .
Gods foreknowledge and predestination reassures us that God cannot Fail.. God knew from the beginning of creation the entire future of His universe creation in PERFECT clarity.. He knew how it was going to all turn out from the very start.. Down to the detail of knowing every human being that would ever live, knowing all the thoughts they would ever think.. I believe God knew when every blade of grass would grow and how tall every blade of grass would grow and how many atoms each individuel blade of grass would be composed of..

Prophecy of God can be trusted because God has foreseen Everything.. So Every Christian should be 100% confident that absolutely no evil cunning scheme from satan or his allies will ever stand in the way of Gods eternal plan.. God is like a chess player who has seen all the moves of a game before He starts the game.. satan has NO chance and was defeated before he came into existence..

I am 100% confident that God wins.. And that reinforces my Faith in the LORD beyond measure..