When Is It NOT Okay To Go To Church?

[Enow]

I throw the question to the floor: when is it NOT okay to go to church?

If this be true for withdrawing from a brother, what happens when it is a church?

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So if a church does not hear you...?

Matthew 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

When a church gets involved with apostasy, normally, no one wants to make waves, and so just sit in the pew and follow the crowd or not participate with the apostate activity, but yet still go to that church. In light of the scripture above, isn't that the time when it is NOT okay to go to church, especially to NOT keep going to that particular church?

 

[Enow]

How does this apply to the verses above?

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[kenisyes]

The implication of Matt. 10 is that we, who are not ordained, are worthy of being heard by a pastor who is ordained. Does the part in 10:15 apply also, about what will happen on the day of judgment?

 

[Enow]

The implication of Matt. 10 is that we, who are not ordained, are worthy of being heard by a pastor who is ordained.

That is true as long as scripture is used for which any pastor & church are to be submissive to since reproofs can only come by scripture in the KJV.

Does the part in 10:15 apply also, about what will happen on the day of judgment?

Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

I reckon that two applications of that jusgment can be given.

1) when it involves non-believers as being in their house, then it would be an everlasting judgment of eternal torment for not receiving the gsoepl before they die.

2) when it invloves wayward believers as being in their church, then it would an everlasting judgment wherein they would be left behind from the pre tribulational rapture event for not preparing themselves for the Bridegroom and thus be "destroyed" from being that vessel unto honour in His House into becoming that vessel unto dishonour in His House for not departing from iniquity.

So the consequences are different as far as everlasting judgment when it relates to a non-believer rather than a wayward nonrepentant believer.

Still... while the door is still open to the Marriage Supper, bith non-believer can call on the Lord to be saved and wayward believers can call on the Lord to help them lay aside every weight and sin to run that race for the high prize of that honourable seat in His honour only at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

 

[kenisyes]

I've seen two towns fall apart when the churhces refused to listen to God's plan and the people He sent to deliver the message.

 

[Enow]

I've seen two towns fall apart when the churhces refused to listen to God's plan and the people He sent to deliver the message.

Feel free to share the message.

Here's what the Lord had led me to share to the public but seemingly to no avail.

In 1994, there were two plumblines that was sent out across the land to see whom will depart from faith to resort to their own powers and/or chase after other gods. That was found in the Promise Keepers' Movement & the "Holy Laughter" Movement.

It was interdenomenational and thus ecumenical as it did not convert anyone from their church to another which is what the Billy Graham Crusade had been doing as Catholics remain Catholics and so forth and so on, thus indicative of a false prophet that gathers grapes of thorns and figs of thistles which is what ecumenicalism does.

These movements have died down and churches that were involved are either whistling dixie, hoping nobody had noticed or they are carrying on the apostasy in some other shape or form like in making promises to God that only God can keep and not man and/or chasing after the "Holy Spirit" to receive again after another sign.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

It is kind of hard to rebuke an elder sharply, let alone do so with two or three witnesses to confirm when mostly, members just follow the crowd or just plain do not care to get involved, because they believe it is not their place to say anything.

1 Timothy 5:1Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;........19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Romans 13:1110 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

As it is, just as most churches find themslves at the mercy of the overheads and thus unable to do anything when they go against scripture, so does a nonmember of the church can do nothing, because he is not a member to be saying anything in the church. And the irony is even as a member, it has to be presented to a board of session to be heard or not and if the session has time for it too.

Meanwhile, the proof is in the pudding as these two movements went nationwide across the board in all denomenational churches, and no single church as far as alerting other churches within that denomenation, has arise to warn the public towards all believers in Christ of the apostasy of those two movements in 1994.

Only the 700 Club reported on both of them but without discernment and certainly spotlighting it which is supporting it in its movement across the body of Christ.

Your turn.

 

[resurrection33]

It’s okay not to go to church when you are sick. It’s okay not to go to church when your job prevents it. It’s okay not to go to church when you are out of town.

 

[gb9]

i have a little bit of a sideways thing to say about this. i recently left a church that i had been going to for a while because the pastor starting preaching that God was going to destroy america if we did not vote out the president. he began to spend time reading quotes from this countty's founding fathers instead of the Bible. i have left that church and have been going to another. so their was a small peroid of time that i did not go to church.

 

[kenisyes]

Your turn.

I'm not going to give names of towns. First case, a major revival had occurred there a century or two ago. Many pastors and people spoke of this revival. Many people hoped for another. Another revival was already occurring there, among many churches. One particular pastor had used his church for the general gatherings promoting the revival for several years, and there was a network of pastors and lay people that recognized him for this. The town was strategically located for a particular use by witches (you'll have to take my word that they do spiritual mapping also), and many were sent in from far away. Within a year, the witches had infiltrated and destroyed several churches. This particular pastor owned a piece of property that was of particular need to the witches for their project. He had already put witches into ministry in his church, not believing who they were. On the particular night, he had a revival service going out of doors on this property. This particular night was the key night for the witches to claim that ground. All he had to do was pray against the witches that night, and their plans would have fallen. He refused. Within five months, the revival completely stopped, and get this: for three days, the shapes of shadows changed from the soul power charge in the air filtering the sunlight. Within two years, downtown was all but vacant, an acre of ground with a house, in town, was selling for $20,000. Six years later, this town of 40,000 people, had only two grocery stores, and looked like a ghost town.

Second case. A small town, 4000 people, but three worldwide denominations started in that one town. A non-denom church opened there in the '80's and was able to establish a 5-store "Christian store block within the downtown. The people from the traditional churches called the whole thing a cult, and forced them to close. In 2002, a new major retailer, with a nationwide customer base opened outside town. God sent six couples to town at the same time with a single message: you have a choice. If you allow the downtown to become Christian, you will save the town, and become an area wide attraction, as people will come here to shop. Or you can see the town close. Two years passed, and then all six of the couples were persecuted. Some had rumors circulated, etc. There were six churches in the downtown, and the pastors were called to pray together. Five of the pastors were older, one was young. None of the pastors would pray together, except pastor Ron. Get this: within the same one week, every one of the five older pastors was taken to the hospital and diagnosed with something that would have killed him within 24 hours had he not been taken to the hospital. One pastor was on a cruise at the time, and he was taken to the hospital in California, I think. One pastor prayed and walked away from the hospital healed; it was pastor Ron. The others stayed sick, one for over a year, although none died. They still would not pray together. Within two more years, God removed all of the six couples. Within two more years, major fires had taken out three of the most important buildings in downtown. Walmart and other retailers built on the highway, and the town was no longer of any shopping interest.

Pastors really ought to listen when God sends people in.

 

[piper27]

I'm not going to give names of towns. First case, a major revival had occurred there a century or two ago. Many pastors and people spoke of this revival. Many people hoped for another. Another revival was already occurring there, among many churches. One particular pastor had used his church for the general gatherings promoting the revival for several years, and there was a network of pastors and lay people that recognized him for this. The town was strategically located for a particular use by witches (you'll have to take my word that they do spiritual mapping also), and many were sent in from far away. Within a year, the witches had infiltrated and destroyed several churches. This particular pastor owned a piece of property that was of particular need to the witches for their project. He had already put witches into ministry in his church, not believing who they were. On the particular night, he had a revival service going out of doors on this property. This particular night was the key night for the witches to claim that ground. All he had to do was pray against the witches that night, and their plans would have fallen. He refused. Within five months, the revival completely stopped, and get this: for three days, the shapes of shadows changed from the soul power charge in the air filtering the sunlight. Within two years, downtown was all but vacant, an acre of ground with a house, in town, was selling for $20,000. Six years later, this town of 40,000 people, had only two grocery stores, and looked like a ghost town.

Second case. A small town, 4000 people, but three worldwide denominations started in that one town. A non-denom church opened there in the '80's and was able to establish a 5-store "Christian store block within the downtown. The people from the traditional churches called the whole thing a cult, and forced them to close. In 2002, a new major retailer, with a nationwide customer base opened outside town. God sent six couples to town at the same time with a single message: you have a choice. If you allow the downtown to become Christian, you will save the town, and become an area wide attraction, as people will come here to shop. Or you can see the town close. Two years passed, and then all six of the couples were persecuted. Some had rumors circulated, etc. There were six churches in the downtown, and the pastors were called to pray together. Five of the pastors were older, one was young. None of the pastors would pray together, except pastor Ron. Get this: within the same one week, every one of the five older pastors was taken to the hospital and diagnosed with something that would have killed him within 24 hours had he not been taken to the hospital. One pastor was on a cruise at the time, and he was taken to the hospital in California, I think. One pastor prayed and walked away from the hospital healed; it was pastor Ron. The others stayed sick, one for over a year, although none died. They still would not pray together. Within two more years, God removed all of the six couples. Within two more years, major fires had taken out three of the most important buildings in downtown. Walmart and other retailers built on the highway, and the town was no longer of any shopping interest.

Pastors really ought to listen when God sends people in.

so, if you were one of those that were brought in to warn or share information with the pastor, and he refuses to listen -- the initial post is ...when is it ok not to go to church?
Does that person stand and pray? Leave? What is the course of action?

 

[Enow]

It’s okay not to go to church when you are sick. It’s okay not to go to church when your job prevents it. It’s okay not to go to church when you are out of town.

Thanks.

It should be obvious, but you never know how zealous a believer can be in going to church religiously.

Hopefully your post will prevent any future unnecessary guilt trips and self abasements for not going to church any day.

 

[resurrection33]

Thanks.

It should be obvious, but you never know how zealous a believer can be in going to church religiously.

Hopefully your post will prevent any future unnecessary guilt trips and self abasements for not going to church any day.

Yes, some people seem to think that if they are not dead, they have to be in church on Sunday. There are
exceptions.

 

[Enow]

i have a little bit of a sideways thing to say about this. i recently left a church that i had been going to for a while because the pastor starting preaching that God was going to destroy america if we did not vote out the president. he began to spend time reading quotes from this countty's founding fathers instead of the Bible. i have left that church and have been going to another. so their was a small peroid of time that i did not go to church.

Sounds like a pastor that doesn't like the direction that the country was going and didn't like the growing apathy in society that was also growing in the churches.

I believe he should have held a church meeting on it rather than leaving out a sermon at the expense of the edification of the body of Chrst. That way, correction and reproof can come his way in redirecting his focus higher to Christ Jesus.

But since you have left already, and the election has long passed, one can lean on Christ to give your 2 cents worth the next time something like that happened.

For future reference in correcting a situation like that:

Romans 13:1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

1 Timothy 2:1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Anyway: hopefully, you are enjoying the church you are in now that is abiding in His will.

 

[kenisyes]

so, if you were one of those that were brought in to warn or share information with the pastor, and he refuses to listen -- the initial post is ...when is it ok not to go to church?
Does that person stand and pray? Leave? What is the course of action?

Different in each case. God has to tell you. Sometimes you need to stay, because they may yet change. Other times, God needs the witness of your leaving, and how you leave.

 

[Enow]

I'm not going to give names of towns.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

First case, a major revival had occurred there a century or two ago. Many pastors and people spoke of this revival. Many people hoped for another. Another revival was already occurring there, among many churches. One particular pastor had used his church for the general gatherings promoting the revival for several years, and there was a network of pastors and lay people that recognized him for this. The town was strategically located for a particular use by witches (you'll have to take my word that they do spiritual mapping also), and many were sent in from far away. Within a year, the witches had infiltrated and destroyed several churches. This particular pastor owned a piece of property that was of particular need to the witches for their project. He had already put witches into ministry in his church, not believing who they were. On the particular night, he had a revival service going out of doors on this property. This particular night was the key night for the witches to claim that ground. All he had to do was pray against the witches that night, and their plans would have fallen. He refused. Within five months, the revival completely stopped, and get this: for three days, the shapes of shadows changed from the soul power charge in the air filtering the sunlight. Within two years, downtown was all but vacant, an acre of ground with a house, in town, was selling for $20,000. Six years later, this town of 40,000 people, had only two grocery stores, and looked like a ghost town.

I would think that when a city has fallen like that, God would want a testimony of it to warn others, but there is cause for discernment.

Is this a urban legend because I have to wonder how the diabolical & hidden plot of the witches was known to make that connection to the fall of the churches and thus the city? Did the witches bragged about it after it was done? I just can't see them doing that without provoking a violent response to do away with the witches as this story could incite someone to do even to a nonbeliever or a bigotted fearful mob.

Second case. A small town, 4000 people, but three worldwide denominations started in that one town. A non-denom church opened there in the '80's and was able to establish a 5-store "Christian store block within the downtown. The people from the traditional churches called the whole thing a cult, and forced them to close. In 2002, a new major retailer, with a nationwide customer base opened outside town. God sent six couples to town at the same time with a single message: you have a choice. If you allow the downtown to become Christian, you will save the town, and become an area wide attraction, as people will come here to shop. Or you can see the town close. Two years passed, and then all six of the couples were persecuted. Some had rumors circulated, etc. There were six churches in the downtown, and the pastors were called to pray together. Five of the pastors were older, one was young. None of the pastors would pray together, except pastor Ron. Get this: within the same one week, every one of the five older pastors was taken to the hospital and diagnosed with something that would have killed him within 24 hours had he not been taken to the hospital. One pastor was on a cruise at the time, and he was taken to the hospital in California, I think. One pastor prayed and walked away from the hospital healed; it was pastor Ron. The others stayed sick, one for over a year, although none died. They still would not pray together. Within two more years, God removed all of the six couples. Within two more years, major fires had taken out three of the most important buildings in downtown. Walmart and other retailers built on the highway, and the town was no longer of any shopping interest.

Did you witness this one? Or was this something you had read elsewhere also? Can you see my reluctance here?

1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

I would think God would care more about the spiritual well being of the church and their walk with Him rather than the economic boom of a downtown area by making it "christian".

Needless to say, someone reading this could be led to say, "Ah ha! I knew Wal-Mart was an instrument of Satan!!!" and someone could be led to destroy all Wal-Mart stores as a means to restore economic boom to the businesses in the area.

If anyone out there is thinking that or attacking the witches... please read this below:

Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

I'm sure you are not thinking it, but the readers might be.

Pastors really ought to listen when God sends people in.

That depends on the message.

There is a difference between stories about a message given and witnessing of the message that was given as lining up with scripture for the edification of the body in defense of the faith which is the good fight.

Your testimony is somewhat different from what I thought it would be. Thanks for sharing, but I do have to take pause because of the content for discernment.

 

[Enow]

Different in each case. God has to tell you. Sometimes you need to stay, because they may yet change. Other times, God needs the witness of your leaving, and how you leave.

Yeah. That was a tough one for me. Seems like no one was listening at all after writing letters to all the churches in the phone book warning them, writing to the editor and placing ads in the classified, trusting in God's sovereignty that He willl provide the meat to the elect that needed it, because it seems internal politics kept me as a member from being heard. And so I withdrew my membership and left the church.

Seems pastors are more like hirelings now. They do not go affter "lost sheep". Pleasing most of the people is the goal to insure an income than serving the body of Christ.

 

[kenisyes]

1. I would think that when a city has fallen like that, God would want a testimony of it to warn others, but there is cause for discernment.

2. Is this a urban legend because I have to wonder how the diabolical & hidden plot of the witches was known to make that connection to the fall of the churches and thus the city? Did the witches bragged about it after it was done? I just can't see them doing that without provoking a violent response to do away with the witches as this story could incite someone to do even to a nonbeliever or a bigotted fearful mob.

3. Did you witness this one? Or was this something you had read elsewhere also? Can you see my reluctance here?

4. I would think God would care more about the spiritual well being of the church and their walk with Him rather than the economic boom of a downtown area by making it "christian".

5. Needless to say, someone reading this could be led to say, "Ah ha! I knew Wal-Mart was an instrument of Satan!!!" and someone could be led to destroy all Wal-Mart stores as a means to restore economic boom to the businesses in the area.

6. That depends on the message.

There is a difference between stories about a message given and witnessing of the message that was given as lining up with scripture for the edification of the body in defense of the faith which is the good fight.

Your testimony is somewhat different from what I thought it would be. Thanks for sharing, but I do have to take pause because of the content for discernment.

1. God has warned America for many years, no one is listening. What you or I think doesn't matter too much. The Scripture says it will go worse for them on the day of judgment, not on tomorrow's news. I don't want to reveal certain information I promised to keep secret, but there were at least one national and one international news story created as part of the fall.

2. No. It is for real. The identity of the witches was known only to the network of pastors in the revival, and even then was kept as quiet as possible. That's one of the reasons I can't name the town. The only urban legend is my belief that the the location itself was what was important, and the reason I believe that to be true. In most cities, there is no revival going on and no unity, and churches can be ignored by witches in this kind of situation. No churches closed; only the unity and power of God that had transformed things up to that point was broken.

3. I was part of these events.

4. Your bio says you are from PA. God has quite a Christian entertainment work in Lancaster (Sight and Sound), has He not? And it is not about churches. This work was similar. Remember, this was a town that had been faithful once upon a time, as three worldwide denominations started there. Spiritual well-being is greater when people speak about God all day, every day, then when they only speak about Him in their church.

5. The Walmart could have opened IN the town. The opening was in a way that rerouted traffic around the town. Walmart is not the problem here; the attitude of the town is.

6. The first message was "God wants all His people working together for the purpose of building His Kingdom on earth.' The second was "God wants to prosper you, if you will worship Him instead of your own ideas."

I offered this post to demonstrate that ordained pastors cannot refuse to listen to non-ordained people sent by God to a town.

 

[kenisyes]

Yeah. That was a tough one for me. Seems like no one was listening at all after writing letters to all the churches in the phone book warning them, writing to the editor and placing ads in the classified, trusting in God's sovereignty that He willl provide the meat to the elect that needed it, because it seems internal politics kept me as a member from being heard. And so I withdrew my membership and left the church.

Seems pastors are more like hirelings now. They do not go affter "lost sheep". Pleasing most of the people is the goal to insure an income than serving the body of Christ.

My wife discovered you have to write to the pastors' secretaries. Letters to the editor are useless, because they regard us all as cranks, just fighting with each other over doctrine. But when God sends you, things can change. There were religion editors that called my wife every week for the top news. We were in the paper many times, either ourselves, or our recommended stories.

 

[Enow]

6. The first message was "God wants all His people working together for the purpose of building His Kingdom on earth.' The second was "God wants to prosper you, if you will worship Him instead of your own ideas."

I offered this post to demonstrate that ordained pastors cannot refuse to listen to non-ordained people sent by God to a town.

1) John 18:36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


Luke 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

2) 1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

I offered this post to demonstrate that ordained pastors cannot refuse to listen to non-ordained people sent by God to a town.

I really think God would only send people for this purpose.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Since keeping the faith is the good fight, then we do so by the scripture.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So I am not sure the messages given in those two incidents are what God would give, brother.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

 

[kenisyes]

So I am not sure the messages given in those two incidents are what God would give, brother.

But He didn't send you to give them, either.