When Is It NOT Okay To Go To Church?
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I agree to a point, yes most who profess Christ will sit under a false teacher who promotes many reformed errors, and not do anything which to me spells compromise.
Most churches are very ecumenical and tolerant of every wind of doctrine that comes along, but most do not know what their core doctrinal statement is of their beloved church.
Many promote original sin and substitution to various degrees, which then makes real repentance and faith an option, and also produces a church far from the true called out saints, who died everyday to preserve the truth!
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that you may not be partakers of her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues.
Not today, many will compromise to not make waves, and will remain in the system when God is commanding His children to come out from among her less they share in her plagues and sins!
Most churches are very ecumenical and tolerant of every wind of doctrine that comes along, but most do not know what their core doctrinal statement is of their beloved church.
Many promote original sin and substitution to various degrees, which then makes real repentance and faith an option, and also produces a church far from the true called out saints, who died everyday to preserve the truth!
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that you may not be partakers of her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues.
Not today, many will compromise to not make waves, and will remain in the system when God is commanding His children to come out from among her less they share in her plagues and sins!
Or... if they are in iniquity and will not repent. This Psalm seems to suggest a necessity to withdraw mayhap even from christian forums also.
Psalm 26:1Judge me, O Lord; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the Lord; therefore I shall not slide. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Examine me, O Lord, and prove me; try my reins and my heart. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked. [SUP]6 [/SUP]I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O Lord: [SUP]7 [/SUP]That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men: [SUP]10 [/SUP]In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the Lord.
Does this describe the state of the body of Christ everywhere... even in christian forums with its ecumenical fellowship?
Isaiah 5:[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! [SUP]9 [/SUP]In mine ears said the Lord of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah.
Is that why little results come from christian forums even?
Isaiah 5:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.....[SUP]20 [/SUP]Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! [SUP]21 [/SUP]Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! [SUP]22 [/SUP]Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: [SUP]23 [/SUP]Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Jeremiah 50:[SUP]6 [/SUP]My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the Lord, the habitation of justice, even the Lord, the hope of their fathers.
2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Luke 18:[SUP]7 [/SUP]And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? [SUP]8 [/SUP]I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
As bad as it is prophesied to be before He comes as the Bridegroom for the bride, it is no wonder why so few will find the way to relate to God the Father by.
John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. [SUP]2 [/SUP]In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I can only hope in Him that He will direct my footsteps in the way He wants me to go... because I do so place my hope on Him for me to follow Him for I can do nothing without Him, and when things are getting beyond me as it has been in wanting to follow Him and yet seemingly, I can find no place to stand to do so, like do I provide meat for those that may hear or do I withdraw from a forum that hears me not, and so I shall rest in Him to direct me as well as deliver me in my time of need.
Psalm 26:1Judge me, O Lord; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the Lord; therefore I shall not slide. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Examine me, O Lord, and prove me; try my reins and my heart. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked. [SUP]6 [/SUP]I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O Lord: [SUP]7 [/SUP]That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men: [SUP]10 [/SUP]In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the Lord.
Does this describe the state of the body of Christ everywhere... even in christian forums with its ecumenical fellowship?
Isaiah 5:[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! [SUP]9 [/SUP]In mine ears said the Lord of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah.
Is that why little results come from christian forums even?
Isaiah 5:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.....[SUP]20 [/SUP]Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! [SUP]21 [/SUP]Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! [SUP]22 [/SUP]Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: [SUP]23 [/SUP]Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Jeremiah 50:[SUP]6 [/SUP]My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the Lord, the habitation of justice, even the Lord, the hope of their fathers.
2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Luke 18:[SUP]7 [/SUP]And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? [SUP]8 [/SUP]I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
As bad as it is prophesied to be before He comes as the Bridegroom for the bride, it is no wonder why so few will find the way to relate to God the Father by.
John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. [SUP]2 [/SUP]In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I can only hope in Him that He will direct my footsteps in the way He wants me to go... because I do so place my hope on Him for me to follow Him for I can do nothing without Him, and when things are getting beyond me as it has been in wanting to follow Him and yet seemingly, I can find no place to stand to do so, like do I provide meat for those that may hear or do I withdraw from a forum that hears me not, and so I shall rest in Him to direct me as well as deliver me in my time of need.
But brother it is the sick that need a Doctor nad Jesus fixed you did he not, and if you are called then go, and trust god for God's words through you in polace oif your own and even surprise yourself, is this not waht Jesus came and did, and dies he not want us the believers to go and do after we are matured?
Although it is true below:
John 21:17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
I do wonder if after the third time of feeding that sheep, we are to consider this:
Titus 3:[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. [SUP]10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Matthew 10:14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
I do wonder if christian forums should not be operating the way Christ wants the churches to run in all speaking the same thing and having the same mind, otherwise, they are tolerating a heretick to cause someone, even a little one, to fall away.
I had noted a believer in leaving the forum whom was fearing the loss of eternal security if he had ever sinned again... not living in sin, but committing any sin. Seems most of the responder to this troubled believer was denouncing eternal security while a few was insinuating that he was trying to ease his conscience to live in sin, and yet James 4:14-17 testify that if any believer does not do good at the time good was to be done, he had sinned. How many believers can say that they had always done good and not put it off for tomorrow?
The problem here is that in every christian forum, it is not disciplined enough to be all speaking the same thing and having the same mind in Christ. Granted, there is grace for learning as we grow in the knowledge of Him, but that is still to be done by correcting by the Word of God, whereas inqiuity and apostasy cannot be tolerated as the threat of suspension until they repent is required as the church would do with excommunication.... but with christian forums being of an ecumenical format and thus an open forum, it is more of an outreach than a fellowship... but even then, many little ones are falling to the strong ones, and by not correcting as He has taught, we are allowing the little ones to continue in that place where they are.. as fallen. Where is His love to feed the sheep by rightly dividing the word of truth?
Matthew 18: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. [SUP]12 [/SUP]How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? [SUP]13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Maybe christian forums should have sub forums for limited access: like "In the Gap" for non-believers for like minded believers of the forums to minister outreach in: "The Outer Court" where like minded believers can minister to those not likeminded in Christ: and "Little Ones in Christ" for new believers to ask questions and grow in the word in being His disciples with likeminded believing members of the forums and if the little ones go astray in a big way, then they can have their membership moved to the Outer Court sub forum as a means of excommunication in the hopes of repentance and then leave Bible Discussions and all other areas for likeminded members? Seems buffer zones are needed in every christian forums.
Otherwise, it seems ........... when you get so many believers not likeminded in Christ in posting, it is like a war zone, and how can the little ones not fall in a place like that? Why would I want to support a christian forum in that format with my membership?
These are hard questions for me to discern as I am trusting Jesus as my Good Shepherd to let me know when it is time to leave, especially when there is evidence they are not hearing me of how believers are leaving their first love and thus have ceased to relate to the Bridegroom in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
John 21:17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
I do wonder if after the third time of feeding that sheep, we are to consider this:
Titus 3:[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. [SUP]10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Matthew 10:14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
I do wonder if christian forums should not be operating the way Christ wants the churches to run in all speaking the same thing and having the same mind, otherwise, they are tolerating a heretick to cause someone, even a little one, to fall away.
I had noted a believer in leaving the forum whom was fearing the loss of eternal security if he had ever sinned again... not living in sin, but committing any sin. Seems most of the responder to this troubled believer was denouncing eternal security while a few was insinuating that he was trying to ease his conscience to live in sin, and yet James 4:14-17 testify that if any believer does not do good at the time good was to be done, he had sinned. How many believers can say that they had always done good and not put it off for tomorrow?
The problem here is that in every christian forum, it is not disciplined enough to be all speaking the same thing and having the same mind in Christ. Granted, there is grace for learning as we grow in the knowledge of Him, but that is still to be done by correcting by the Word of God, whereas inqiuity and apostasy cannot be tolerated as the threat of suspension until they repent is required as the church would do with excommunication.... but with christian forums being of an ecumenical format and thus an open forum, it is more of an outreach than a fellowship... but even then, many little ones are falling to the strong ones, and by not correcting as He has taught, we are allowing the little ones to continue in that place where they are.. as fallen. Where is His love to feed the sheep by rightly dividing the word of truth?
Matthew 18: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. [SUP]12 [/SUP]How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? [SUP]13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Maybe christian forums should have sub forums for limited access: like "In the Gap" for non-believers for like minded believers of the forums to minister outreach in: "The Outer Court" where like minded believers can minister to those not likeminded in Christ: and "Little Ones in Christ" for new believers to ask questions and grow in the word in being His disciples with likeminded believing members of the forums and if the little ones go astray in a big way, then they can have their membership moved to the Outer Court sub forum as a means of excommunication in the hopes of repentance and then leave Bible Discussions and all other areas for likeminded members? Seems buffer zones are needed in every christian forums.
Otherwise, it seems ........... when you get so many believers not likeminded in Christ in posting, it is like a war zone, and how can the little ones not fall in a place like that? Why would I want to support a christian forum in that format with my membership?
These are hard questions for me to discern as I am trusting Jesus as my Good Shepherd to let me know when it is time to leave, especially when there is evidence they are not hearing me of how believers are leaving their first love and thus have ceased to relate to the Bridegroom in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Enow, please brother do as the Spirit leads you, The foundation is Jesus Christ and him crucified and each believer is warned to be careful how they build some with, wood, hay and stubble, and others with Gold, silver, precious stones. There are a lotof diffearant denominations and non as well, and I see wherever Christ is being named whether in sincerity or by contention I will glory in both for the name of Christ is preached and Enow I quarantee you brother those that wan to know God, God will draw them to his Son and the work of God's love will begin this is why we are sent the Holy Ghost the first day of belief this is the witness and confirmation to us that is teaching us what God wants and this is LOVE his type shed abroad in our hearts above everything else
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