Where did the idea that the soul is immortal originate?
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"live your life to the fullest, You only have one life. you better make it the best you can!"
This is the lie of satan.
news flash. Satan does not want ANYONE to think their is an afterlife. He wants all of us to think this life is it. If we believe in an afterlife. then he knows we will be confronted with our back against the wall, and have to make a decision. This is his EASIEST lie to get people to believe. And people like Mike here are helping satan in getting this lie across!
However, He KNOWS he can not convince everyone there is no afterlife. So he has his second lie. (which is not as easy to convince people of, but still effective) Yes there is an eternity, there is a God (which we all deep down know as per romans 1) and if you want to get to him, here is a list of rules and regulation you must follow, If you do this, god will allow you in (buddism, Islam, Judaism, and legalistic christianity ALL fall under this lie.) Mike is also helping fulfill this lie.
Lately, he has created a new lie. God is all loving, he will not send anyone to hell, he will let everyone out.
Many people will spend an eternity punishing themselves because when they were confronted to make a decision, those chose to follow one of these lies instead of God.
Amazingly, some, like Mike here., Has bought into two of his lies. Thus unless Mikey here repents, it will be far greater pain and suffering (self imposed) for mike than it will be for those who just bought into one of his lies.
This is the lie of satan.
news flash. Satan does not want ANYONE to think their is an afterlife. He wants all of us to think this life is it. If we believe in an afterlife. then he knows we will be confronted with our back against the wall, and have to make a decision. This is his EASIEST lie to get people to believe. And people like Mike here are helping satan in getting this lie across!
However, He KNOWS he can not convince everyone there is no afterlife. So he has his second lie. (which is not as easy to convince people of, but still effective) Yes there is an eternity, there is a God (which we all deep down know as per romans 1) and if you want to get to him, here is a list of rules and regulation you must follow, If you do this, god will allow you in (buddism, Islam, Judaism, and legalistic christianity ALL fall under this lie.) Mike is also helping fulfill this lie.
Lately, he has created a new lie. God is all loving, he will not send anyone to hell, he will let everyone out.
Many people will spend an eternity punishing themselves because when they were confronted to make a decision, those chose to follow one of these lies instead of God.
Amazingly, some, like Mike here., Has bought into two of his lies. Thus unless Mikey here repents, it will be far greater pain and suffering (self imposed) for mike than it will be for those who just bought into one of his lies.
I gave you Ezekiel 28:18,19... You said: "This was not spoken to Satan. Satan will be tormented in the lake of fire forever and ever."
Oh really!!!! Ezekiel chapter 28:11-19 speaks directly of satan!!!!! Every word is directed at Satan!!!
"You were the seal of perfection perfect in beauty" Verse 12
"You were in Eden, the garden of God"`Verse 13
"You were the annointed cherub who covers." Verse 14
"I established you; You were on the Holy mountain of God. You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you." Verses 14,15
I can continue,, but,, there is no doubt that Ezekiel chaper 28 verses 11-19 concern Satan and Gods reasons for destroying him, on the earth, where he now is, and he will only leave by burning up into ash and smoke and "vanishing away" as the Psalmist says in 37:20.
What difference would it make if God just destroys the Physical body if the "spirit" lives on??? Wouldn't it be silly to destroy somthing that cant be destroyed?????
So,, if you were right,, and you surely are not,,, Burning up a physical body would do nothing,, it wouldnt stop sin. Sin would always exist. God would always be the creator of a diseased universe. Hmmmmmm How Holy does that sound?
For you say to Ezekiel chapter 28:11-19 is not about Satan,,, tells me for sure,, that you have no spiritual discernment.
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From a philosophical standpoint, if there is no spirit that survives death, then we should all live a wild hedonist life. We should consume as much alcohol, go to as many parties we wish, sin in any why we wish, because there is no consequences. We simply die and that is all. There is no hell.
Even for those who serve God, if they have no spirit that survives death, God will just make a copy of you at the resurrection and put your memories in it. It is not you it is a clone of you. He/she will enjoy the rewards, not you.
This is why the doctrine of soul sleep is such a sham. There are no consequences and no rewards for what we do here according to this satanic doctrine.
Even for those who serve God, if they have no spirit that survives death, God will just make a copy of you at the resurrection and put your memories in it. It is not you it is a clone of you. He/she will enjoy the rewards, not you.
This is why the doctrine of soul sleep is such a sham. There are no consequences and no rewards for what we do here according to this satanic doctrine.
Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
So the king of Tyre, a man, sealed up the sum, was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty?
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
The king of Tyre, a man, was in Eden prior to the flood? He was created instead of born?
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
He was a cherub? Here is a pretty interesting description then of this man...
Eze 10:3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.
Eze 10:4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory.
Eze 10:5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
He had wings?
Eze 10:6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
Eze 10:7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
Eze 10:8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.
Eze 10:9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.
Eze 10:10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.
Eze 10:11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.
Eze 10:12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.
Full of eyes?
Eze 10:13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
Eze 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
Wow, this guy was a bit irregular, wasn't he?
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
This man, the king of Tyre was PERFECT from the day he was created until lawlessness was found in him.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
He was a covering cherub?
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Are you sure this is about the human ruler of Tyre?
So the king of Tyre, a man, sealed up the sum, was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty?
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
The king of Tyre, a man, was in Eden prior to the flood? He was created instead of born?
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
He was a cherub? Here is a pretty interesting description then of this man...
Eze 10:3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.
Eze 10:4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory.
Eze 10:5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
He had wings?
Eze 10:6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
Eze 10:7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
Eze 10:8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.
Eze 10:9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.
Eze 10:10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.
Eze 10:11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.
Eze 10:12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.
Full of eyes?
Eze 10:13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
Eze 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
Wow, this guy was a bit irregular, wasn't he?
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
This man, the king of Tyre was PERFECT from the day he was created until lawlessness was found in him.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
He was a covering cherub?
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Are you sure this is about the human ruler of Tyre?
Nobody said the wicked escapes punishment..Dan....You made that one up.
Dan,,, if the physical body is the only thing that dies,,, why would god even bother with Creating the physical world that we see?
If God can kill me, physically,, but can't kill my spirit,,,,,, why would God destroy the physical? Wouldn't it be pointless? Afterall,, you claim the spirit lives on,,, So,,, if we live on,,, what need do we have of a Savior in the first place????? NONE!!!!
The Savior saves you from.............DEATH!!!!!!
If you claim your spirit lives on, that means you never suffer........................DEATH!!!!!!!!!
So,, if we suffer no death,, we have no need of a Savior or of a God!!!!!!
Don't you see the folly of your reasoning? No, ofcourse not.
Dan,,, if the physical body is the only thing that dies,,, why would god even bother with Creating the physical world that we see?
If God can kill me, physically,, but can't kill my spirit,,,,,, why would God destroy the physical? Wouldn't it be pointless? Afterall,, you claim the spirit lives on,,, So,,, if we live on,,, what need do we have of a Savior in the first place????? NONE!!!!
The Savior saves you from.............DEATH!!!!!!
If you claim your spirit lives on, that means you never suffer........................DEATH!!!!!!!!!
So,, if we suffer no death,, we have no need of a Savior or of a God!!!!!!
Don't you see the folly of your reasoning? No, ofcourse not.
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You have it backwards, And you do not understand what death is.
If there is no afterlife. there is no condemnation. And we all might as well live however we want. There is no need for Christ. no need for God.
As satan likes to say, You only have one life. Live it to you best, you can only count on yourself. nobody else will care for you.
No Dan. When You die, and the coroner is called, you won't know it. As your loved ones stand over your casket and grieve for you,,,you won't know it.
"His sons come to honor him and he know it not." (Job 14:21)
Dan, when you die,, you won't even be aware of time passing. From the time you lose consciousness and die to the time Christ appears,, will only seem as if a moment, a split-second has passed since you died. Even if 10000 years have passed.
The dead have no conception of time passed.
That is why Paul taught that as soon as he dies, the next thing he will know, is that he will be with the Lord! Paul knew verywell that the dead know nothing.
Dan,, This thread is full of biblical evidence to support the position that the dead know nothing.
If you won't have it, there is nothing more I can do.
Satan will decieve billions soon. Through the the Agency of the Dead.
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Satan indeed advises mankind to a wreckless lifestyle, which is to SIN! Sin is trangression of Gods Law. You know the 10 Commandments!
But, the cornerstone to Satans deceptions have always been through lies concerning the dead, like "ye shall not surely die".
That was the seed that satan planted in the minds of are first parents.
Down thru the ages Satan has worked powerful miracles thru the agency of the Dead. Magicians in egypt,, In Daniel's day....ect.. This thread is full of Biblical information that has been presented.
You know yourself that Television and Movie theatres are full of shows about the occult and super-natural Phenonema. These are prompted to be made by Satan,, So that world will readily accept messages from evil spirits personating the dead.
I don't think you really understand how serious this issue is. I think if you see an apparition, that will only solidify your position that the dead are alive and when we die,, we do live on, in a spirit form.........I'm fearful for you.. God has made it very clear to me that the device Satan shall use to pull in and decieve nearly all...is the Agency of the Dead through the False Teaching that the Soul is immortal.
But, the cornerstone to Satans deceptions have always been through lies concerning the dead, like "ye shall not surely die".
That was the seed that satan planted in the minds of are first parents.
Down thru the ages Satan has worked powerful miracles thru the agency of the Dead. Magicians in egypt,, In Daniel's day....ect.. This thread is full of Biblical information that has been presented.
You know yourself that Television and Movie theatres are full of shows about the occult and super-natural Phenonema. These are prompted to be made by Satan,, So that world will readily accept messages from evil spirits personating the dead.
I don't think you really understand how serious this issue is. I think if you see an apparition, that will only solidify your position that the dead are alive and when we die,, we do live on, in a spirit form.........I'm fearful for you.. God has made it very clear to me that the device Satan shall use to pull in and decieve nearly all...is the Agency of the Dead through the False Teaching that the Soul is immortal.
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1. I am not stupid I know the occult is from satan, And I know this is one of his tricks. He has to trick people who DO believe in the afterlife to keep them from God. Yes it is dangerous. I HAVE NEVER DENIED THIS. But THIS IS NOT WHAT I ASKED YOU!!
2. You failed yet again to answer the question. why do you feel the need to keep dodging logical questions, And only answer the ones which would support your view? How do you expect to ever convince anyone of your view when you keep dodging questions which may not support your view. where if your view was correct WITH NO ISSUES, you could easily answer them??
Again, Is it not satans lie that this life is ALL YOU HAVE, there is NO AFTERLIFE. Thus you better make everything you can in this life because it is all you have (thus the self centered attitude which is the BASIS OF ALL SIN)?
Is it not MORE advantageous for satan to get everyone to believe there IS NO AFTERLIFE. because then everything we do in this life really matter, Thus we better live for us, no matter WHO WE HURT IN THE PROCESS. because I once I am dead, I am gone.
And is it not LOGICAL. that this belief would help Satan defeat the truth of God. that EVERYONE KNOWS THERE IS A GOD, thus HAS NO EXCUSE. Since there is no afterlife. who cares if I know. i can live HOWEVER I WANT, there IS NO CONSEQUENCE.
this is what you are teaching and supporting!
2. You failed yet again to answer the question. why do you feel the need to keep dodging logical questions, And only answer the ones which would support your view? How do you expect to ever convince anyone of your view when you keep dodging questions which may not support your view. where if your view was correct WITH NO ISSUES, you could easily answer them??
Again, Is it not satans lie that this life is ALL YOU HAVE, there is NO AFTERLIFE. Thus you better make everything you can in this life because it is all you have (thus the self centered attitude which is the BASIS OF ALL SIN)?
Is it not MORE advantageous for satan to get everyone to believe there IS NO AFTERLIFE. because then everything we do in this life really matter, Thus we better live for us, no matter WHO WE HURT IN THE PROCESS. because I once I am dead, I am gone.
And is it not LOGICAL. that this belief would help Satan defeat the truth of God. that EVERYONE KNOWS THERE IS A GOD, thus HAS NO EXCUSE. Since there is no afterlife. who cares if I know. i can live HOWEVER I WANT, there IS NO CONSEQUENCE.
this is what you are teaching and supporting!
All of your questions have been answered. Satan comes in many forms, with many lies, and some truths, and somehalf-truths.
Whatever lie will work on each individual will suffice with Satan.
Satan cares not what you believe,,just as long as you do not believe the truth.
For you to sit here and attempt to claim I teach no consequence is laughable.
I teach a Judgment. Jesus says He will reward each of us according to our works.
The wicked are punished. They are raised from the dead, and burned up. Some will burn longer than others,,according to the sins that each person has committed. The wicked will all be blotted out of existence. If that isn't consequences, then I don't know any other way of showing you.
The Holy Spirit is what convinces folks of the Truth. I can't convince you.
One other thing,,,,Satan isn't worried about convincing folks that could care less about God (secularists). They are already lost.
Satan really desires to decieve those who claim Jesus! He knows they already believe in God,, so,, he must decieve them thru Doctrinal error! He knows that if he can get them to practice and believe a lie,, they in turn will teach the same, leading to the demise of many.
Whatever lie will work on each individual will suffice with Satan.
Satan cares not what you believe,,just as long as you do not believe the truth.
For you to sit here and attempt to claim I teach no consequence is laughable.
I teach a Judgment. Jesus says He will reward each of us according to our works.
The wicked are punished. They are raised from the dead, and burned up. Some will burn longer than others,,according to the sins that each person has committed. The wicked will all be blotted out of existence. If that isn't consequences, then I don't know any other way of showing you.
The Holy Spirit is what convinces folks of the Truth. I can't convince you.
One other thing,,,,Satan isn't worried about convincing folks that could care less about God (secularists). They are already lost.
Satan really desires to decieve those who claim Jesus! He knows they already believe in God,, so,, he must decieve them thru Doctrinal error! He knows that if he can get them to practice and believe a lie,, they in turn will teach the same, leading to the demise of many.
True, this is found in Scriptures
Nowhere in Scriptures, OLD or NEW. this belief is not based on Scriptures, nor do any Scriptures even imply that this is the case.
This is Scriptural for Jesus said :
John 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also
So Jesus just got done telling us, He is going to go to Heaven and prepare a city for us, and that He will come again and receive us up into the clouds with Him. It only make since that if Jesus is going to Heaven to prepare a place for us, that when He Returns, that place will be with Him.
Again, nowhere can this information be found in all of Scriptures. There are many prophesies in the Old Testament however that confirms that the New City will be on Earth. New Testament prophesies as well teach this.
The entire Chapter of Revelation 21 describes the New City Jerusalem, pay particular attention to the last of that chapter, and where this New City is at: Kings of the Earth shall bring their glory into it vs. 24. The SAVED shall walk in the New City Jerusalem vs. 24. Notice that in verse 27 sinners will not be allowed in it. This verse alone indicates many things, ONE, sinners are not all killed at the Rapture, and two that sinners are still present during a time the New City Jerusalem is here on the Earth.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23And the city (New City Jerusalem) had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it (Those who were raptured up into the sky when He appeared to the Earth): and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (If the New City Jerusalem was indeed in Heaven then there would be no need to make this last statement that sinners would not be able to enter into the city. So because it was stated, it is clear that sinners will be present during this time.)
We do not judge wicked humans and wicked angels, until the end of the thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, the Great White Throne Judgement. This is when we will help judge the wicked and reveal to them why they are not going to go to Heaven, Namely because they failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who do not LOVE OTHERS are not going to be a part of His Kingdom.
It is True that the Holy City will come out of from Heaven, and the Father will be in it, also Jesus will be in it, and it is True that it will land over where Mount Olives is now. But where is it written anywhere in Scriptures, that Jesus will come to the Earth, take His people to Heaven, only to return again a third time?
This is Scriptural and is the Truth
This also is True and is found in Scriptures
There is NO Scriptures that teach Jesus Christ coming back a third time, that is not Scriptural. It is written at the end of the 1,000 years satan and all his followers will be cast into Hell, they will not be alive. Yet we clearly have Scriptures that plainly teach, concerning this Holy City, that the evil people are still here, they have been killed or Judged or taken away or cast into Hell. These wicked people will not be allowed in the New City Jerusalem. If the Holy City comes down AFTER the thousand year reign, there will be no evil people left after the thousand year reign.
That is great, far too many people do not give Scriptures to back up their belief, and you are now asking me to ask questions and you will give Scriptures to support what you are saying. Here then are my questions.
1) Where does it teach that when Jesus comes to the Earth and raptures the Church, that He goes back to Heaven?
2) Where does it teach we will spend a thousand years IN HEAVEN?
3) Where does it teach that we judge the wicked FROM HEAVEN?
4) Where does it teach that AFTER the thousand years the New City will then come down from Heaven?
5) And finally where does it teach that Jesus comes to the Earth a Third time?
i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, and i have not found any of these things to be Scriptural. i could be wrong of course, that is why i am more than willing to hear your Scriptural support of what you believe.
Brother, there are far too many Scriptures for me to reveal to you, that supports what i teach. All of the Major prophets, and some of the minor ones all teach what i am saying. Daniel in his vision, teaches that Jesus will come back and set up His Kingdom on the Earth. and all nations shall worship and bow down to Him ( Dan 2:41+) Isiah describes the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth. Psalms 72 describes a time where Jesus reigns on the Earth. Micah 4:1-3 describes how Jesus will rule over the people of the Earth. Like i said far too many Scriptures teach that Jesus will rule on the Earth, not from Heaven. Other verses which support that are Ezek 47:1-12, Daniel 7:13-14, Rev 11:15 that says the Kingdoms of this world becomes Christs Kingdom. Isiah 2, Zech 14 particularly vs 4, Isiah 9:6-7, and one i really like is a description from Isiah concerning the 1000 year reign of Christ on the Earth in Chapter 66: 17-25 where the wolf and the lamb eat together, Age is restored to pre-flood days. and verse 23 mentions their offspring, so we are not talking about the Saints who will be in the Holy City but talking about the inhabitant of the Earth, who we, the saints and Jesus Christ will reign over for a thousand years.
Now all this that i am teaching i can show you Scriptures that support it, ask me questions even as i have asked you. i am telling you the Truth, what God has revealed to me, will indeed happen exactly as i said it will, and Scriptures support it.
Look forward to you showing me Scriptures to the 5 questions above. Please do not feel bad when you can't find them, they simply are not there.
Love you Brother,
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Nowhere in Scriptures, OLD or NEW. this belief is not based on Scriptures, nor do any Scriptures even imply that this is the case.
This is Scriptural for Jesus said :
John 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also
So Jesus just got done telling us, He is going to go to Heaven and prepare a city for us, and that He will come again and receive us up into the clouds with Him. It only make since that if Jesus is going to Heaven to prepare a place for us, that when He Returns, that place will be with Him.
Again, nowhere can this information be found in all of Scriptures. There are many prophesies in the Old Testament however that confirms that the New City will be on Earth. New Testament prophesies as well teach this.
The entire Chapter of Revelation 21 describes the New City Jerusalem, pay particular attention to the last of that chapter, and where this New City is at: Kings of the Earth shall bring their glory into it vs. 24. The SAVED shall walk in the New City Jerusalem vs. 24. Notice that in verse 27 sinners will not be allowed in it. This verse alone indicates many things, ONE, sinners are not all killed at the Rapture, and two that sinners are still present during a time the New City Jerusalem is here on the Earth.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23And the city (New City Jerusalem) had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it (Those who were raptured up into the sky when He appeared to the Earth): and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (If the New City Jerusalem was indeed in Heaven then there would be no need to make this last statement that sinners would not be able to enter into the city. So because it was stated, it is clear that sinners will be present during this time.)
We do not judge wicked humans and wicked angels, until the end of the thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, the Great White Throne Judgement. This is when we will help judge the wicked and reveal to them why they are not going to go to Heaven, Namely because they failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who do not LOVE OTHERS are not going to be a part of His Kingdom.
It is True that the Holy City will come out of from Heaven, and the Father will be in it, also Jesus will be in it, and it is True that it will land over where Mount Olives is now. But where is it written anywhere in Scriptures, that Jesus will come to the Earth, take His people to Heaven, only to return again a third time?
This is Scriptural and is the Truth
This also is True and is found in Scriptures
There is NO Scriptures that teach Jesus Christ coming back a third time, that is not Scriptural. It is written at the end of the 1,000 years satan and all his followers will be cast into Hell, they will not be alive. Yet we clearly have Scriptures that plainly teach, concerning this Holy City, that the evil people are still here, they have been killed or Judged or taken away or cast into Hell. These wicked people will not be allowed in the New City Jerusalem. If the Holy City comes down AFTER the thousand year reign, there will be no evil people left after the thousand year reign.
That is great, far too many people do not give Scriptures to back up their belief, and you are now asking me to ask questions and you will give Scriptures to support what you are saying. Here then are my questions.
1) Where does it teach that when Jesus comes to the Earth and raptures the Church, that He goes back to Heaven?
2) Where does it teach we will spend a thousand years IN HEAVEN?
3) Where does it teach that we judge the wicked FROM HEAVEN?
4) Where does it teach that AFTER the thousand years the New City will then come down from Heaven?
5) And finally where does it teach that Jesus comes to the Earth a Third time?
i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, and i have not found any of these things to be Scriptural. i could be wrong of course, that is why i am more than willing to hear your Scriptural support of what you believe.
Brother, there are far too many Scriptures for me to reveal to you, that supports what i teach. All of the Major prophets, and some of the minor ones all teach what i am saying. Daniel in his vision, teaches that Jesus will come back and set up His Kingdom on the Earth. and all nations shall worship and bow down to Him ( Dan 2:41+) Isiah describes the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth. Psalms 72 describes a time where Jesus reigns on the Earth. Micah 4:1-3 describes how Jesus will rule over the people of the Earth. Like i said far too many Scriptures teach that Jesus will rule on the Earth, not from Heaven. Other verses which support that are Ezek 47:1-12, Daniel 7:13-14, Rev 11:15 that says the Kingdoms of this world becomes Christs Kingdom. Isiah 2, Zech 14 particularly vs 4, Isiah 9:6-7, and one i really like is a description from Isiah concerning the 1000 year reign of Christ on the Earth in Chapter 66: 17-25 where the wolf and the lamb eat together, Age is restored to pre-flood days. and verse 23 mentions their offspring, so we are not talking about the Saints who will be in the Holy City but talking about the inhabitant of the Earth, who we, the saints and Jesus Christ will reign over for a thousand years.
Now all this that i am teaching i can show you Scriptures that support it, ask me questions even as i have asked you. i am telling you the Truth, what God has revealed to me, will indeed happen exactly as i said it will, and Scriptures support it.
Look forward to you showing me Scriptures to the 5 questions above. Please do not feel bad when you can't find them, they simply are not there.
Love you Brother,
^i^
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What is there to see?
Mike claims if there is no death, there is no punishment. Yet we are BORN DEAD. We can not be MADE alive in Christ unless we are ALREADY DEAD to him.
what is it that seems to make you all fail to realise this basic truth of the gospel.
Also. All die (physically) the save and the unsaved. So if DEATH is a punishment, then I giess we ALL ARE CONDEMED, since we all die.
As I said before, When you understand what spiritual death means. you will understand where we are coming from.
Mike claims if there is no death, there is no punishment. Yet we are BORN DEAD. We can not be MADE alive in Christ unless we are ALREADY DEAD to him.
what is it that seems to make you all fail to realise this basic truth of the gospel.
Also. All die (physically) the save and the unsaved. So if DEATH is a punishment, then I giess we ALL ARE CONDEMED, since we all die.
As I said before, When you understand what spiritual death means. you will understand where we are coming from.
E
Oh they have? can you show me where you said yes or no to my question?
Thats funny, I have been saying the exact same thing.
Yep. this is what I have been saying
It is? You teach they will vanish, If they vanish, there is no consequence. We all die (saved or unsaved) then they vanish. no punishment. No reason to give up what we think in our flesh is "fun"
That is for believers only. An unbeliever will not be judged or rewarded according to their works. they have one fate. Joining satan in hell.
This is found no where in scripture.
If Christ has not paid for your sin, You are equally as guilty as the person who will be standing next to you. You are dead. PERIOD!
And you won't, because the HS in his word tells us you are wrong
lol.. Wow you know so much.
How many secularist have come to God? I know quite a few.. Satan has to keep deceiving them. He can;t know what they are thinking or if they would change.
Satan also has to decieve people so they can become secularists..
Now are you going to answer my question> Yes or no? Or continue to evade the question??
Thats funny, I have been saying the exact same thing.
Yep. this is what I have been saying
It is? You teach they will vanish, If they vanish, there is no consequence. We all die (saved or unsaved) then they vanish. no punishment. No reason to give up what we think in our flesh is "fun"
That is for believers only. An unbeliever will not be judged or rewarded according to their works. they have one fate. Joining satan in hell.
This is found no where in scripture.
If Christ has not paid for your sin, You are equally as guilty as the person who will be standing next to you. You are dead. PERIOD!
And you won't, because the HS in his word tells us you are wrong
lol.. Wow you know so much.
How many secularist have come to God? I know quite a few.. Satan has to keep deceiving them. He can;t know what they are thinking or if they would change.
Satan also has to decieve people so they can become secularists..
Now are you going to answer my question> Yes or no? Or continue to evade the question??