Where does Jesus Speak about the Millennium?
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You're a Preterist.
I'm not.
What is the context of Rev 21:6?
Rev 21:
1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Those things are still future.
I'm not.
What is the context of Rev 21:6?
Rev 21:
1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Those things are still future.
G
I think you are missing the point entirely.
The stoning of Stephen is not really that critical. It mostly just happens to fall at the right time.
Aaaaand, it is not about the rejection of the gospel by the Jews. They did that when they crucified Christ.
The [ end of the ] 70 weeks itself sets the mark in time:
Daniel 9:
[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
This verse has nothing to do with the [ timing of the ] destruction of the city. Rather, it has to do with the fulfillment of prophecy by Christ at His first coming.
In this verse, God "declared" the end of the 70 weeks to be the end of "the times of the Jews" ( and the start of "the times of the Gentiles" ).
Which is exactly and precisely what the 70 weeks are all about!
God is saying, in effect: "You have this much time left..."
The stoning of Stephen is not really that critical. It mostly just happens to fall at the right time.
Aaaaand, it is not about the rejection of the gospel by the Jews. They did that when they crucified Christ.
The [ end of the ] 70 weeks itself sets the mark in time:
Daniel 9:
[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
This verse has nothing to do with the [ timing of the ] destruction of the city. Rather, it has to do with the fulfillment of prophecy by Christ at His first coming.
In this verse, God "declared" the end of the 70 weeks to be the end of "the times of the Jews" ( and the start of "the times of the Gentiles" ).
Which is exactly and precisely what the 70 weeks are all about!
God is saying, in effect: "You have this much time left..."
This might help.....
When we look at the internal evidence, we find that there is also a very clear indicator regarding the date of authorship, found in Revelation 17:10: "They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while" (Rev. 17:10).
This passage, which is speaking of the line of rulers in Rome, tells us exactly how many rulers had already come, which one was currently in power, and that the next one would only last a short while. Take a look at how that perfectly fits with Nero and the Roman Empire of the first century.
The rule of the first seven Roman Emperors is as follows:
Julius Caesar (49-44 BC)
Augustus (27 BC-AD 14)
Tiberius (AD 14-37)
Caligula (AD 37-41)
Claudius (AD 41-54)
"Five have fallen..."
Nero (AD 54-68)
"One is..."
Galba (June AD 68-January AD 69, a six month ruler-ship)
"the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while."
Of the first seven kings, five had come (Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Gaius, and Claudius), one was now in power (Nero), and one had not yet come (Galba), but would only remain a little time (six months). The current Caesar at the time of John's writing was the sixth Caesar, Nero.
When we look at the internal evidence, we find that there is also a very clear indicator regarding the date of authorship, found in Revelation 17:10: "They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while" (Rev. 17:10).
This passage, which is speaking of the line of rulers in Rome, tells us exactly how many rulers had already come, which one was currently in power, and that the next one would only last a short while. Take a look at how that perfectly fits with Nero and the Roman Empire of the first century.
The rule of the first seven Roman Emperors is as follows:
Julius Caesar (49-44 BC)
Augustus (27 BC-AD 14)
Tiberius (AD 14-37)
Caligula (AD 37-41)
Claudius (AD 41-54)
"Five have fallen..."
Nero (AD 54-68)
"One is..."
Galba (June AD 68-January AD 69, a six month ruler-ship)
"the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while."
Of the first seven kings, five had come (Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Gaius, and Claudius), one was now in power (Nero), and one had not yet come (Galba), but would only remain a little time (six months). The current Caesar at the time of John's writing was the sixth Caesar, Nero.
Excellent questions.
First, there may well be some of the so-called "Church fathers" who may have believed this. If so, that cuts little ice with me. They were wrong on a great many positions. The evidence lies within the Revelation itself, not in the opinions of these men.
Second, I am not sure I have a good answer for your last question. This is rooted in the succession of Emperors of the first century and I have not been able to get this all sorted out in my mind. Notice that John writes that the eighth is speaking of the "beast," not the kings. The beast is not one of the emperors but Rome itself which is represented by seven kings. Rome is the beast that "was, now is not, and will come up out of the abyss." The other who "has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while," can be no one else but Galba.
First, there may well be some of the so-called "Church fathers" who may have believed this. If so, that cuts little ice with me. They were wrong on a great many positions. The evidence lies within the Revelation itself, not in the opinions of these men.
Second, I am not sure I have a good answer for your last question. This is rooted in the succession of Emperors of the first century and I have not been able to get this all sorted out in my mind. Notice that John writes that the eighth is speaking of the "beast," not the kings. The beast is not one of the emperors but Rome itself which is represented by seven kings. Rome is the beast that "was, now is not, and will come up out of the abyss." The other who "has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while," can be no one else but Galba.
G
How does verse 11 fit into all of this:
Revelation 17:
[SUP]10[/SUP] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. [SUP]11[/SUP] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Revelation 17:
[SUP]10[/SUP] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. [SUP]11[/SUP] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
With just a quick look at it, I would say Chapter 11 is talking about the continuing empires of ALL the Caesars of Rome (the beast being, not just Nero, as many people want to say, but as it shows in Chapter 13, is all the power of Rome and its leaders, throughout the ages of its dominating oppression) Notice some of those emperors "have not yet received a kingdom." That come some time off in the future.
I couldn't tell you about the "1 hour" yet. It often takes me weeks to sort out some of these things.... there are a ton of OT verses to compare and contrast Revelation with.
I couldn't tell you about the "1 hour" yet. It often takes me weeks to sort out some of these things.... there are a ton of OT verses to compare and contrast Revelation with.
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BTW "The Beast", although certainly ROME (shared with Judaism) at this specific point in time, is always seen as the ongoing and continuing force of Satanic evil that is ever against Christ and His Church. "The force of antichrist" that was spoken of as existing back then, and that will exert resistance against the church till Jesus returns.
In fact, it is pre-millennial pre-trib dispensationalism that is false, and dangerous!
Instead of doing the work Jesus gave us to do, dispensationals spend their time living recklessly, eyes faced upwards, not to God, but looking to a false rapture.
We need to be evangelizing the earth, caring for the poor, visiting the sick and those in prison. We need to be caring for the earth, because when God commanded us to care for the earth, a task which we have utterly failed!
Further, for some unknown reason, dispies seem to be highly confused with regards to soteriology. They claim anyone not believing in their end times view is not saved! This is extremely dangerous, undermines the sovereignty of God. It makes a guess about something not even in the Bible, the so-called Rapture, more important than saving faith and following Christ, and being led by the Holy Spirit
This doctrine is so evil and insidious and not based on the Bible! I'm not talking historic pre-millennialist, but this hysterical doctrine of demons, dispensationalism! If it wasn't for modern media, including widely discredited paperback novels like the Left Behind series, their spin-off movies, and of course you-tube these days, literally no one would follow this false doctrine. Because it simply isn't in the Bible!
Because, dispensationalism is based on out of context verses cobbled together with bad eisegesis and wrong historical knowledge. And people like Ahwatukee, who are evangelists for this dangerous and false doctrine, which places their half baked Bible interpretation above the truth of God's Word, and fails to spend time in evangelism and discipleship! Dispensationalism is based on emotionalism, including fear and hate for people who don't agree with their end times garbage!
We need to strive to walk with God, reach out to the lost, and disciple new Christians to trust God, whether he returns tomorrow or in a "thousand" years! And don't take that number literally, ok!
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Instead of doing the work Jesus gave us to do, dispensationals spend their time living recklessly, eyes faced upwards, not to God, but looking to a false rapture.
We need to be evangelizing the earth, caring for the poor, visiting the sick and those in prison. We need to be caring for the earth, because when God commanded us to care for the earth, a task which we have utterly failed!
Further, for some unknown reason, dispies seem to be highly confused with regards to soteriology. They claim anyone not believing in their end times view is not saved! This is extremely dangerous, undermines the sovereignty of God. It makes a guess about something not even in the Bible, the so-called Rapture, more important than saving faith and following Christ, and being led by the Holy Spirit
This doctrine is so evil and insidious and not based on the Bible! I'm not talking historic pre-millennialist, but this hysterical doctrine of demons, dispensationalism! If it wasn't for modern media, including widely discredited paperback novels like the Left Behind series, their spin-off movies, and of course you-tube these days, literally no one would follow this false doctrine. Because it simply isn't in the Bible!
Because, dispensationalism is based on out of context verses cobbled together with bad eisegesis and wrong historical knowledge. And people like Ahwatukee, who are evangelists for this dangerous and false doctrine, which places their half baked Bible interpretation above the truth of God's Word, and fails to spend time in evangelism and discipleship! Dispensationalism is based on emotionalism, including fear and hate for people who don't agree with their end times garbage!
We need to strive to walk with God, reach out to the lost, and disciple new Christians to trust God, whether he returns tomorrow or in a "thousand" years! And don't take that number literally, ok!
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The parts in red are true. The rest is just your opinion because of the theology you have adopted.
You're bold in stating your beliefs and denigrating others who disagree. That does not make you right. Those of us who hold to a pre-trib, pre-mill position are convinced our position is biblical. That's why we believe it.
Thankfully, having the correct eschatological view does not and will not determine a person's salvation.
You're bold in stating your beliefs and denigrating others who disagree. That does not make you right. Those of us who hold to a pre-trib, pre-mill position are convinced our position is biblical. That's why we believe it.
Thankfully, having the correct eschatological view does not and will not determine a person's salvation.
Bingo.
The next one is the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,which Daniel 7 says they shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,which will rule for a short space,three and one half years.
Then the ten horns hand their power over to the beast,and that is how he gets control of the world,who rules for three and one half years,and he has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and all who are not written in the Lamb's book of life shall worship the beast.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world.
The esoteric meaning of Lucifer,lucistrust.org,to promote Alice Bailey's books,and teachings.
There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.
Alice Bailey,the biggest prophet of the new age movement,married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult interpretation of the Bible,and their view of Lucifer,that he is the helper of this world,and will appear as the New Age Christ to help mankind when the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth.
They are intentionally setting up a kingdom for Lucifer.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
This will start the 7 years period,and the start of the ten horn kingdom for three and one half years,then the 8th king,the beast,who is of the 7 kingdoms,for Satan influenced those kingdoms.
The next one is the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,which Daniel 7 says they shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,which will rule for a short space,three and one half years.
Then the ten horns hand their power over to the beast,and that is how he gets control of the world,who rules for three and one half years,and he has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and all who are not written in the Lamb's book of life shall worship the beast.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world.
The esoteric meaning of Lucifer,lucistrust.org,to promote Alice Bailey's books,and teachings.
There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.
Alice Bailey,the biggest prophet of the new age movement,married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult interpretation of the Bible,and their view of Lucifer,that he is the helper of this world,and will appear as the New Age Christ to help mankind when the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth.
They are intentionally setting up a kingdom for Lucifer.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
This will start the 7 years period,and the start of the ten horn kingdom for three and one half years,then the 8th king,the beast,who is of the 7 kingdoms,for Satan influenced those kingdoms.
