Where does Jesus Speak about the Millennium?

[GaryA]

Revelation primarily concerns Daniels 70th week and beyond.

I suggest that Revelation has absolutely nothing whatsoever [ directly ] to do with the 70th week of Daniel -- because - the 70 weeks of Daniel, in their entirety, are fulfilled. It is past history.

 

[Locutus]

I would say, even more specifically, possibly even the city of Jerusalem.

That included of course:

Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Now would that one hour be a thousand years/24 as per AControversial??

I'll have to shruminate on this for a while..

 

[shrume]

I suggest that Revelation has absolutely nothing whatsoever [ directly ] to do with the 70th week of Daniel -- because - the 70 weeks of Daniel, in their entirety, are fulfilled. It is past history.

Not yet....

 

[GaryA]

Not yet....

Yet.
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[Locutus]

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Of course the 70 weeks has run it's course and ended in the destruction of "Bablyon" and it's city in 70 AD

Daniel's "thy city" is none other than the sacked Jerusalem of the war of 66-70 AD and "thy holy people" were the tribes of that time.

 

[oldhermit]

You guys hold a Preterist (or partial Preterist), a-millennial view of things, so it is understood that you do not agree.

This has nothing to do with a point of view. I am simply stating a fact. There is not one shred of credible evidence that you or anyone else can produce that suggest that Rev was written later than AD 64. If you think you can then trot it out here and let's examine it.

 

[GaryA]

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Of course the 70 weeks has run it's course and ended in the destruction of "Bablyon" and it's city in 70 AD

Daniel's "thy city" is none other than the sacked Jerusalem of the war of 66-70 AD and "thy holy people" were the tribes of that time.

The 70 weeks ended long before that...

Jesus was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

 

[Locutus]

This has nothing to do with a point of view. I am simply stating a fact. There is not one shred of credible evidence that you or anyone else can produce that suggest that Rev was written later than AD 64. If you think you can then trot it out here and let's examine it.

They are most likely going to bring out Irenaeus and all those that quoted him.

 

[Locutus]

The 70 weeks ended long before that...

Jesus was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

Correct on Jesus, but the week was not fulfilled until the city went *poof* - unless you can state when and how the city was dealt with after Christ crucifixion.

 

[oldhermit]

They are most likely going to bring out Irenaeus and all those that quoted him.

Yea, that is usually what I get. This is the best evidence they have to argue the late date. The problem is that it is no evidence at all. Simply put, they have no evidence.

 

[shrume]

This has nothing to do with a point of view. I am simply stating a fact. There is not one shred of credible evidence that you or anyone else can produce that suggest that Rev was written later than AD 64. If you think you can then trot it out here and let's examine it.

oldhermit, I can provide no proof that you will accept. The topic has been hotly debated for centuries.

https://www.google.com/search?q=when+was+the+book+of+revelation+written

Preterists (obviously) hold to the position of it being written earlier, millennialists later.

 

[J7]

Utter nonsense. The time statements in Daniel are all cryptic. Really Locutus, you are embarrassing yourself

2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The above one misunderstood statement has been used constantly to bring into doubt the plain time statements of the bible in an attempt to contradict what man is meant to understand as a reality in man's time frame.

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

God used plain language to ensure than Daniel would not be confused about the timing in thinking it was for his days.

Simple - a kid can understand this.

 

[Nehemiah6]

How about showing just a few, since you already know right where to find those passages?

Well Willie, God would have all of us study His word (which is actually hard labor 2 Tim 2:15) but in the end very profitable. You might want to start with just Isaiah and highlight all the passages pertaining to a future glorious Kingdom of God under Christ. The Millennium is just a small segment of the eternal Kingdom of God. If your Bible has marginal references, they will lead you to other passages related to the same topic.

 

[shrume]

The 70 weeks ended long before that...

Jesus was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

Jesus was crucified after the 69th week.

Dan 9:
26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

In the middle of the 70th week the antichrist will renege on his covenant.

27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[J7]

Time has no effect on the will of God. God responds in time but not TO time. Time must always catch up to the will of God.

Not really, God invented time for a purpose. Actually he invented time and the universe cotemporaneously. And that last statement has boggled my mind

 

[Locutus]

oldhermit, I can provide no proof that you will accept. The topic has been hotly debated for centuries.

https://www.google.com/search?q=when+was+the+book+of+revelation+written

Preterists (obviously) hold to the position of it being written earlier, millennialists later.

Have you received the holy spirit and if you have what is the source?

 

[Ahwatukee]

This has nothing to do with a point of view. I am simply stating a fact. There is not one shred of credible evidence that you or anyone else can produce that suggest that Rev was written later than AD 64. If you think you can then trot it out here and let's examine it.

Well, an excerpt from my Bibles "Archaeological Supplement" would disagree with you in that is states the following regarding the excavation of Ephesus:

"Other discoveries included a lovely marble bath house with many rooms, a fine library, a large basilica church dedicated to "St. John the Theologian," the "Catacomb of the Seven Sleepers" in which were hundreds of burial places, and a temple dedicated to emperor worship. In it was a statue of Domitian, the emperor who banished John to the island of Patmos and who was persecuting the Christians while Christ was giving his revelation to John."

Domitian reigned as Emperor from 81 - 96 AD, which would mean that the book of Revelation was written well after 81 AD.

The only reason for your claim is that you have to produce an apologetic for this, because if Revelation was written during Domitian's reign, it destroys your whole preterist theory.

 

[GaryA]

Correct on Jesus, but the week was not fulfilled until the city went *poof* - unless you can state when and how the city was dealt with after Christ crucifixion.

It has nothing to do with the city. It has to do with the end of 70 consecutive weeks [ of years ] - i.e. - the end of a 490 year span of time.

 

[Locutus]

Utter nonsense. The time statements in Daniel are all cryptic. Really Locutus, you are embarrassing yourself

Not really I've embarrassed you a few times, the rest you've done yourself as was evident in your preterism thread....

 

[Locutus]

It has nothing to do with the city. It has to do with the end of 70 consecutive weeks [ of years ] - i.e. - the end of a 490 year span of time.

So how do reconcile Daniel's statement about the city and his people:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.