Where does the justification for The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 originate from?

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Kroogz

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Just a question. ;) What is food.
food
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: material consisting essentially of protein, carbohydrate, and fat used in the body of an organism to sustain growth, repair, and vital processes and to furnish energy
also : such material together with supplementary substances (as minerals, vitamins, and condiments)

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: nutriment in solid form
 

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It's relatively common to encounter Christians online who've been led to
sincerely believe that it is impossible to comply with the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy.

Well; I sincerely suspect that's not entirely true. For example: Josiah was
able to keep it (2Kgs 23:25) Zacharias and his wife were able to keep it
(Luke 1:5-6) and Paul the apostle was able to keep it. (Phil 3:6)

However, in order to succeed with Moses' law, one must be 100% dedicated,
i.e. it's not a path for slackers and/or wanna bees and wishful thinkers.

Deut 6:5 . . . You shall love Jehovah your God with all yourheart, and with
all your being, and with all your strength.

In other words: one cannot be "on again-off again" instead; folks who've chosen
the Law's path to God must be fully committed.

Rom 2:7 . .To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor
and immortality; He will give eternal life.

So then, if it's possible to comply with Moses' law, then why seek another
path? Well, the problem is not with the Law. The problem with that path is
that it requires an Herculean will power that many of us are never going to
have, not in this life nor in the next. So, what are the chances of success for
scofflaws seeing as how Deut 27:26 and Num 15:30-31 affords them no
options?

Well, the chances become excellent by means of Divine intervention.

Ezek 36:24-27 . . For I will take you from among the nations and gather
you from all the countries, and I will bring you to your land. And I will
sprinkle clean water upon you, and you will be clean; from all your
impurities and from all your abominations will I cleanse you. And I will give
you a new heart, and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away
the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And
I will put My spirit within you and bring it about that you will walk in My
statutes and you will keep My ordinances and do them.

I was baptized an infant into the Catholic religion and anon completed First
Holy Communion and Confirmation. So I can testify, from training and from
experience, that the Catholic religion is a very difficult path to God; thus I
feared that my destiny on the wrong side of things was pretty much a
foregone conclusion. So I really got excited when I ran across the last part
of that passage where it says:

"I will put My spirit within you, and bring it about that you will walk in My
statutes and you will keep My ordinances and do them."

** Mr. Ezekiel's prophecy pertains to Moses' people, but there is a way for
us Gentile cur animals to get in on it too. (cf. Matt 15:21-28)

NOTE: That foreign woman's reasoning is supported by Isa 49:6 where is says:

"Jehovah my God says: It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to
restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will
also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to
the ends of the earth."
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Dino246

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impossible ... the law has been scrapped for the church.
Romans 2:11-15
11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: 15 Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another,
 
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impossible ... the law has been scrapped for the church.
Matthew 18:160-20
16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, that if two of you shall consent upon earth, concerning any thing whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by my Father who is in heaven. 20 For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 

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It is a good thing that Bumbles bounce. js
 

Webers.Home

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The covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy is obsolete (Heb 8:13)

However, for folks who've chosen that path to God, the covenant still has
teeth because it will be used to evaluate the Diaspora when God gets around
to bringing Abraham's posterity back to the promised land; and those who
fail to measure up will be culled from the herd and sent elsewhere. (Ezek
20:33-38)
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The whole of Galatians is a unique letter. The Galatians were back tracking and believing after a set of Jews that believed they must be circumcised to be saved. This is not true. We are not saved by works but by faith though the grace of God. If we were saved by works then anyone could go out and be circumcised and then believe that they are saved.

Galatians 3 is Paul continuing this letter rebuking the Galatians. This is about being saved and how to be saved. Once we are saved and have the Spirit of God we act differently. It is not works to do good deeds. It does not save them because they are already saved.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? The answer to Paul is they received the Spirit by faith. Teaching you must be circumcised in order to be saved is contrary to saved by faith.
 

Dino246

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The whole of Galatians is a unique letter. The Galatians were back tracking and believing after a set of Jews that believed they must be circumcised to be saved. This is not true. We are not saved by works but by faith though the grace of God. If we were saved by works then anyone could go out and be circumcised and then believe that they are saved.

Galatians 3 is Paul continuing this letter rebuking the Galatians. This is about being saved and how to be saved. Once we are saved and have the Spirit of God we act differently. It is not works to do good deeds. It does not save them because they are already saved.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? The answer to Paul is they received the Spirit by faith. Teaching you must be circumcised in order to be saved is contrary to saved by faith.
You quote it, but you clearly don't grasp the implications. Perhaps you need to meditate on Paul's message.
 

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The whole of Galatians is a unique letter. The Galatians were back tracking and believing after a set of Jews that believed they must be circumcised to be saved. This is not true. We are not saved by works but by faith though the grace of God. If we were saved by works then anyone could go out and be circumcised and then believe that they are saved.

Galatians 3 is Paul continuing this letter rebuking the Galatians. This is about being saved and how to be saved. Once we are saved and have the Spirit of God we act differently. It is not works to do good deeds. It does not save them because they are already saved.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? The answer to Paul is they received the Spirit by faith. Teaching you must be circumcised in order to be saved is contrary to saved by faith.
Not true. Circumcision was part of the law, and failing in one point of the law means you have failed the whole of the law.


From Hebrews 10:1, 4, and 1 Corinthians 5:7