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Dino246

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Paul was eternally saved before his conversion on the road to Damascus. He was serving God in all good conscience. The natural man that cannot discern the things of the Spirit was not Paul's condition.
On what basis? "Serving God in all good conscience" is NOT the means of salvation! Romans explains this adequately. Paul was completely in the flesh--a "natural man"--before his conversion.
 

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Good thoughts. The kingdom of heaven is the church and Christ has been reigning as the king of it here on earth ever sense he set it up.
Christ has not yet begun 1000 year reign so He definitely is not reigning as king on earth. If He is then He is doing a poor job.
 
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Christ has not yet begun 1000 year reign so He definitely is not reigning as king on earth. If He is then He is doing a poor job.
The reformation has come restoring the existing hurch as the one bride of Christ to the time period of the judges. He looked on Abel with grace. Abel the first mentioned Christian martyr .

Christ as Emanuel God with us is reigning on earth . Its us that are doing the poor job. The last days began when Jesus said it is finished. The veil is still rent.
 

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Where is the church? Right here. All who are in Christ are the church. Anywhere and everywhere in this world.

The Book of John chapter 14:17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

The Book of Acts chapter 2:38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Epistle of 1st Corinthians 6: 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 Or know ye not that your body is a [i]temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body.
The Book of Matthew chapter 18:20
"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
 

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I always use scriptures along with my statements unlike most on this forum. If you are not here to discuss scriptures, then why are you on this forum?
That is incorrect as the replies to your posts above your remarks there quoted in post#66 show. You have made statements concerning scripture but have not supported your remarks with scripture.
 

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The reformation has come restoring the existing hurch as the one bride of Christ to the time period of the judges. He looked on Abel with grace. Abel the first mentioned Christian martyr .

Christ as Emanuel God with us is reigning on earth . Its us that are doing the poor job. The last days began when Jesus said it is finished. The veil is still rent.
I believe that it was Stephan, who was stoned to death for his faith, that is widely considered the first Christian martyr. Christ is not currently reigning on earth but rather it is Satan. The church as it exists today is pathetic and certainly not a bride of Christ. If it is right now the bride of Christ then He should consider divorce. I do agree that as a church we are doing a poor job. What was finished by Jesus dying on the cross was a fulfilment of John 3:16.
 

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On what basis? "Serving God in all good conscience" is NOT the means of salvation! Romans explains this adequately. Paul was completely in the flesh--a "natural man"--before his conversion.
It may inlighten you to re-read 1 Cor 2:14 to see just how incapable the natural man is in his understanding of the things of the Spirit. That does not fit Pauls education in understanding a spiritual God. Serving God in all good conscience is, and I agree, not the means of salvation, but it is the result of already being saved.
 

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I believe that it was Stephan, who was stoned to death for his faith, that is widely considered the first Christian martyr. Christ is not currently reigning on earth but rather it is Satan. The church as it exists today is pathetic and certainly not a bride of Christ. If it is right now the bride of Christ then He should consider divorce. I do agree that as a church we are doing a poor job. What was finished by Jesus dying on the cross was a fulfilment of John 3:16.
Jesus said unto his Apostles "There be some standing here, which will not taste of death, til they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". Matt 16:28. Christ has been reigning in his kingdom from that generation until now and will remain as king until he takes them to heaven at the last day.
 

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Jesus said unto his Apostles "There be some standing here, which will not taste of death, til they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". Matt 16:28. Christ has been reigning in his kingdom from that generation until now and will remain as king until he takes them to heaven at the last day.

John 21:20-23

Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

It could be that the Apostle John has not yet died. There may be others still alive from the time that Jesus stated Matthew 16:28.
 

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It may inlighten you to re-read 1 Cor 2:14 to see just how incapable the natural man is in his understanding of the things of the Spirit. That does not fit Pauls education in understanding a spiritual God. Serving God in all good conscience is, and I agree, not the means of salvation, but it is the result of already being saved.
I reject your misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 2:14. Paul himself called all his pre-conversion accomplishments garbage in Philippians 3:8.
 

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John 21:20-23
Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

It could be that the Apostle John has not yet died. There may be others still alive from the time that Jesus stated Matthew 16:28.
Still Alive? Can you explain further?
 

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I reject your misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 2:14. Paul himself called all his pre-conversion accomplishments garbage in Philippians 3:8.
If you reject my interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14, let me hear your interpretation of it.
 

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Still Alive? Can you explain further?
No, I can't explain further, only because those verses are unclear as to whether or not John is still alive, only that Jesus said that if He wished John to remain alive until He returned what was that to Peter. It did not state conclusively that John would indeed remain alive but certainly implied that this was a possibility. Elijah is still alive and is definitely returning during the tribulation. He is probably going to be one of the Two Witnesses mentioned in Revelation. The apostle John might be the other one.
 

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No, I can't explain further, only because those verses are unclear as to whether or not John is still alive, only that Jesus said that if He wished John to remain alive until He returned what was that to Peter. It did not state conclusively that John would indeed remain alive but certainly implied that this was a possibility. Elijah is still alive and is definitely returning during the tribulation. He is probably going to be one of the Two Witnesses mentioned in Revelation. The apostle John might be the other one.
This is the most ridiculous extreme to defend the false belief that a thousand year reign of Christ will be in the future as I have ever heard.
 

Dino246

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If you reject my interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14, let me hear your interpretation of it.
I just did. Paul HIMSELF called his pre-conversion accomplishments garbage. In other words, HE WAS NOT SAVED prior to his Damascus road experience.
 
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I believe that it was Stephan, who was stoned to death for his faith, that is widely considered the first Christian martyr. Christ is not currently reigning on earth but rather it is Satan. The church as it exists today is pathetic and certainly not a bride of Christ. If it is right now the bride of Christ then He should consider divorce. I do agree that as a church we are doing a poor job. What was finished by Jesus dying on the cross was a fulfilment of John 3:16.
I would think the church is still the bride seems many are hiding?

Many by pass the example of Abel the first Christian martyr or the example of the first antichrist, Cain who suffered the pangs of hell all his life.
 

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Jesus said unto his Apostles "There be some standing here, which will not taste of death, til they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". Matt 16:28. Christ has been reigning in his kingdom from that generation until now and will remain as king until he takes them to heaven at the last day.
Yep, they saw Jesus as the King of Kings in all His glory in His transfiguration on the mount. Peter, James and John did not die before seeing this view into the future. Did His 1,000 year reign begin then? Absolutely not. That was 2,000 years ago.
 

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Yep, they saw Jesus as the King of Kings in all His glory in His transfiguration on the mount. Peter, James and John did not die before seeing this view into the future. Did His 1,000 year reign begin then? Absolutely not. That was 2,000 years ago.
So, you also, are shelving Matt 16:28 with the rest of your scriptures that you cannot explain and just ignore trying to. This scripture does not even hint of "a view into the future".
 

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So, you also, are shelving Matt 16:28 with the rest of your scriptures that you cannot explain and just ignore trying to. This scripture does not even hint of "a view into the future".
Do you not believe that the Lord Jesus will literally come back as King of Kings to this earth and sit upon the throne of His glory? Do you spiritualize everything? Do you not believe in the covenant God made with His physical people Israel?