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I would think the church is still the bride seems many are hiding?

Many by pass the example of Abel the first Christian martyr or the example of the first antichrist, Cain who suffered the pangs of hell all his life.
There is no scriptural basis for your claims whatsoever but is merely an opinion that you hold.
 

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This is the most ridiculous extreme to defend the false belief that a thousand year reign of Christ will be in the future as I have ever heard.
That this is a false belief is only an opinion that you hold. There is no scriptural basis for your claim that the kingdom of God and the reign of Jesus started 2000 years ago. You have completely disregarded all of the prophesies regarding the end-times in the OT as well as the book of Revelation.
 

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So, you also, are shelving Matt 16:28 with the rest of your scriptures that you cannot explain and just ignore trying to. This scripture does not even hint of "a view into the future".
He just explained it but you chose to ignore the explanation.
 

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On what basis? "Serving God in all good conscience" is NOT the means of salvation! Romans explains this adequately. Paul was completely in the flesh--a "natural man"--before his conversion.
It's been said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions but perhaps there is no scriptural basis that this was true in Paul's case. Before he saw the light on the road to Damascus he was serving only himself as he was obviously not serving God. If he was serving God in his zealous for the law the Lord would not have asked him why he was persecuting Him. I fully concur with your estimation.
 

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Do you not believe that the Lord Jesus will literally come back as King of Kings to this earth and sit upon the throne of His glory? Do you spiritualize everything? Do you not believe in the covenant God made with His physical people Israel?
I certainly believe that because it states this in the bible. He is literally coming back as the King of Kings to set up His earthly kingdom for the literal 1000 year reign. At that time the government will be upon His shoulders.
 

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It's been said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions but perhaps there is no scriptural basis that this was true in Paul's case. Before he saw the light on the road to Damascus he was serving only himself as he was obviously not serving God. If he was serving God in his zealous for the law the Lord would not have asked him why he was persecuting Him. I fully concur with your estimation.
If I may interject.
Rather than looking to ForestGreenCook as one trolling these forums, as someone noted of his posting style, perhaps we might consider that at his advanced age, as he claims to be quite old, in his 80's I believe, and given he has said he is a member of a primitive Baptist church, note, PBC upholds the TULIP formula in its doctrine, that what we're actually reading in FGC's posts is grevious error due to his being taught grievous error by his church.

He's simply repeating what he's been wrongly taught to believe by those who stand as preachers and teachers in the primitive Baptist church he attends.
Rather than become upset at this, perhaps we should hold him in prayer. That he leave that church and find a true Bible grounded church that will lead him on the right path.


There are trolls aplenty on this site, as I learned when I was relatively new here what that was when one was brought to our attention in a thread. However, and I could be wrong about FGC and they are one, but I don't think we should concede that without considering he's simply a victim of poor Soteriology and Exegesis, due to his church being poorly grounded in those studies.

Just a thought.
 

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...he's simply a victim of poor Soteriology and Exegesis, due to his church being poorly grounded in those studies.
Every Christian has a responsibility to give heed to sound doctrine and abandon false teachings. But those who resist the truth are not victims.
 

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So, you also, are shelving Matt 16:28 with the rest of your scriptures that you cannot explain and just ignore trying to. This scripture does not even hint of "a view into the future".
2 Peter 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
 

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Every Christian has a responsibility to give heed to sound doctrine and abandon false teachings. But those who resist the truth are not victims.
How would someone who has only been taught false doctrine know the difference?
Pastors, teachers, of the word are told in scripture that at the judgment they will be held to a higher standard of judgment for having disseminated the word to the flock and the seekers of Christ.
The Book of James chapter 3:1-2 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

If someone has been fed vegetable protein patties all their young life and were told, this is hamburger, how is that one to know they are eating a veggie patty when they've never eaten a beef burger so as to know the difference in texture?
 

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If I may interject.
Rather than looking to ForestGreenCook as one trolling these forums, as someone noted of his posting style, perhaps we might consider that at his advanced age, as he claims to be quite old, in his 80's I believe, and given he has said he is a member of a primitive Baptist church, note, PBC upholds the TULIP formula in its doctrine, that what we're actually reading in FGC's posts is grevious error due to his being taught grievous error by his church.

He's simply repeating what he's been wrongly taught to believe by those who stand as preachers and teachers in the primitive Baptist church he attends.
Rather than become upset at this, perhaps we should hold him in prayer. That he leave that church and find a true Bible grounded church that will lead him on the right path.


There are trolls aplenty on this site, as I learned when I was relatively new here what that was when one was brought to our attention in a thread. However, and I could be wrong about FGC and they are one, but I don't think we should concede that without considering he's simply a victim of poor Soteriology and Exegesis, due to his church being poorly grounded in those studies.

Just a thought.
I agree wholeheartedly that we should hold him in prayer. I don't believe that this member to be a troll but rather an asset to this site and a valuable member of the community.
 
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Every Christian has a responsibility to give heed to sound doctrine and abandon false teachings. But those who resist the truth are not victims.
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Neh, are you forgetting those who have had 'false conversions' and have never been taught 'sound-doctrine by their 'false-churches???
where is your compassion and understanding of the world's ways???
oh my YES, they most assuredly are 'victims, and I and my husband are proof of this, to our demise for many decades...,
until Christ intervened and delivered us from this oh so deceived and wicked world's ways!!!...
 

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2 Peter 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
Peter is not talking about a future coming of Christ, but is telling them that he was an eye witness of his past coming. How you read future into this is unbelievable.
 

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Peter is not talking about a future coming of Christ, but is telling them that he was an eye witness of his past coming. How you read future into this is unbelievable.
His past coming? In all His glory? Christ’s first coming was in humility as a servant.

Jesus has not yet come as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Try reading the book of Revelation, chapter 20.
 

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2 Peter 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
Christ is reigning in his kingdom now and at the last day he will deliver up the kingdom to God.(1 Cor 15:24).
 

John146

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Christ is reigning in his kingdom now and at the last day he will deliver up the kingdom to God.(1 Cor 15:24).
Actually, Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His Church. His Kingdom will be literal, physical, and visible on earth.

Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

This has not happened yet.

Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
 

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How would someone who has only been taught false doctrine know the difference?
When someone posts incorrect ideas on an open forum, there are many responses trying to put that person on the right track. So it is their responsibility to examine and re-examine the Scriptures until they arrive at the truth. They must be open to the idea that God is teaching them through others. But generally there is resistance to the truth.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly that we should hold him in prayer. I don't believe that this member to be a troll but rather an asset to this site and a valuable member of the community.
We all should pray for each other and I appreciate your comment.
 

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When someone posts incorrect ideas on an open forum, there are many responses trying to put that person on the right track. So it is their responsibility to examine and re-examine the Scriptures until they arrive at the truth. They must be open to the idea that God is teaching them through others. But generally there is resistance to the truth.
True, I would agree, for most people. However, as we're talking about FGC I believe we should remember that he has said he has studied for many years to arrive at his theology. Being in his advanced years, as he claimed, he could be obstinate because he knows as one who as I recall said he was in his 80's, realizes time is short. And as such if he were to accept his years of studies to date are in error, while also in a church that appears to teach errant doctrine, it would likely mean to him that he'd wasted all those years of study. And as a consequence did not learn the truth of God's word.

That's why I think compassion is in order. He's rude at times, he's obstinate, and yet, if true, he's old. Old dog, new tricks. What he's defending in his posts and threads are what he holds as faith. When he is in Christ, the dogma is secondary because God will not cast him into darkness for that. When he is a saved Christian in the grace of God through faith, he is saved. And God knows his name. (Not in the TULIP way even though FGC defends that errant formula).
Why then should we goad him, push him, when/if his dogma conflicts with what we perceive the scriptures to be teaching that is contrary to that?
FGC is my brother and a child of God.
That is what matters when he is no longer matter. (IMO)
 

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When someone posts incorrect ideas on an open forum, there are many responses trying to put that person on the right track. So it is their responsibility to examine and re-examine the Scriptures until they arrive at the truth. They must be open to the idea that God is teaching them through others. But generally there is resistance to the truth.
Very good words, if you also include yourself in the "someone".