Which laws are and are not valid?
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J
It even only stands to reason that, if we need to supplement the work of Christ, there is something we're not completely trusting in Him and in the completeness of His work. There's often an almost, "Better do this stuff, too, just in case." This is not faith in and trust in the Lord, with the abandon of strong faith, or it seems to me faith that sees the obvious, that there's, for instance, no merit to what you put in your belly. There's no ritual mojo we can supplement Christ's finished work with, nor need we.
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There is a big difference between a Messianic Jew and a Jewish Christian.
I've been a part of both (I am what you would concider a Jewish Christian I guess).
When I was a part of the Messianic movement there was a lot of judging and condemning of others, plus a lot of the people did not practice what they preached.
I currently go a Jewish synagogue. We do call ourselves Jewish, but we believe and follow Yeshua as the Messiah in everything we do as far as Torah observance. We do not concider ourselves "under the law" because Yeshua has given us salvation. We follow Torah as a lifestyle, and in obedience. The focus of the synagogue is to live as the apostles lived. Which in fact they were Jewish, and did live a Jewish lifestyle.
We do not force what we follow on others, and we are also taught to not force what we follow on others.
If someone asks a question on why I follow what I follow I will give an answer, and I will use scripture to back it up.
Now that does not mean I'm forcing it on someone else, and if someone disagrees with me I'll defend my position on it, because I'm not going to let someone else tell me how to translate scripture just because they think their way is right and my way is wrong or vise versa.
I don't know if you've noticed, but I post less than I use to. And that's mainly because that chastizement on the "forcing" part that teaching my rabbi did was recent and I felt majorly convict by it, and my eyes were openned when he brought up the scriptures and what not. Because I do realize a lot of my older post did come out as a "forcing issue" so I try to stay away from that now.
I've been a part of both (I am what you would concider a Jewish Christian I guess).
When I was a part of the Messianic movement there was a lot of judging and condemning of others, plus a lot of the people did not practice what they preached.
I currently go a Jewish synagogue. We do call ourselves Jewish, but we believe and follow Yeshua as the Messiah in everything we do as far as Torah observance. We do not concider ourselves "under the law" because Yeshua has given us salvation. We follow Torah as a lifestyle, and in obedience. The focus of the synagogue is to live as the apostles lived. Which in fact they were Jewish, and did live a Jewish lifestyle.
We do not force what we follow on others, and we are also taught to not force what we follow on others.
If someone asks a question on why I follow what I follow I will give an answer, and I will use scripture to back it up.
Now that does not mean I'm forcing it on someone else, and if someone disagrees with me I'll defend my position on it, because I'm not going to let someone else tell me how to translate scripture just because they think their way is right and my way is wrong or vise versa.
I don't know if you've noticed, but I post less than I use to. And that's mainly because that chastizement on the "forcing" part that teaching my rabbi did was recent and I felt majorly convict by it, and my eyes were openned when he brought up the scriptures and what not. Because I do realize a lot of my older post did come out as a "forcing issue" so I try to stay away from that now.
J
Not really. I saw that guy on the access channel, with his eBay yarmulke, yad and shawl, and P.T. Barnum had nothing on him! What was difficult was figuring out his religious faith, amongst all the spaghetti exegesis, from his special Bible translation of sacred names. It was like watching some child play Jew, the scary part that he had followers.
Once again, I want to clarify:
There are two types of assemblies which call themselves Messianic:
1) Jewish believers who band together to preserve their ethnic heritage. While these tend to observe the appointed times of Leviticus 23; most attend mainstream churches; and have no interest in putting anyone under the Law.
2) Gentiles masquerading as Jews without understanding. These try to put themselves and all around them under the Law; and are fixated on mispronouncing the Father's name.
You may find exceptions; but, as a rule, Jewish believers do NOT put themselves or others under Law.
Mathew, here you will see the people who won`t talk on the topic. They will talk about the opinion of the other people. It happens ... That was the reason I have told you to read the Bible and to have God for you teacher! Do not hurry and read and think and read - slow. The LORD bless thee, and keep thee!
May I remind you -ALL OF YOU what the topic is? It was written by a kid!!!! And I am wondering why you people have decided to change it exactly here? It is seems like war about his soul ... Are here people who are enemies ? Shell we crucify someone who respect the Law of God? Shell we be proud of our own understanding of the words ?
What a "perfect" example of "Christian love" on the topic of the kid!
What a "perfect" example of "Christian love" on the topic of the kid!
I wonder how many commenting here have actually read through all of the 613 Laws? It might be an eye opener or game changer for some, for many here who profess that it isn't necessary to obey those Laws will be shocked to find out they have been living in obedience to them all their lives. Wow.......... 
Seriously, might want to read through all of the 613 Laws before commenting too much.
Seriously, might want to read through all of the 613 Laws before commenting too much.