Which laws are and are not valid?
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We are no longer under the schoolmaster when we do the law by nature. Pleae always bear in mind, it is the curse of the law that is destroyed, not the law itself when used lawfully. The curse is punishment and death.
After all the New Testement teaches we were children of disobedience, but we ae now children of obedience. We do teh law by our new nature, but we still know the law to do it.
After all the New Testement teaches we were children of disobedience, but we ae now children of obedience. We do teh law by our new nature, but we still know the law to do it.
WARNING! Please be advised there is a movment by some to deter the freedom of discussing the law and grace. This movement is a misdirected attempt to help the family in Christ, keeping them from discussing what the detractors have not yet come to be comfortable with.
How can we be children living in grace if we deny obedience? We are told we have become children of obedience, saved from being children of disobedience. If we, then, are children of obedience, and we are not familiear with what to obey and certain wisdom, we must study the entire Word to know what God's will is for us. After all most who claim to believe say daily or frequently, "thye will be done on earth as it is in heaven." One earth we are bing perfected, but we will not be perfect here; this comes when we are resurrected and perfection will come in that instant. Until that great and glorious time we walk in grace no longer fearing the curs eof the law, for it has been made obsolet by the Cross. We are to obey what we read is to be obeyed in the manner taught by Jesus Christ and His example. Otherwise, how do you know all we are to obey, and what is no loger?
Yes, all of the law hangs on the two laws of love. This means the laws are yet on love, not obsolete. If you love, you know the Law. Do you already love perfectly? God knows when you are perfect, for what He has begun in each of us, He will finish on His great and glorious day; yes He will...............God bless all who worship Jesus Christ, who hear Him, and who do what He taches. It is a difficult way to go, buut the rreward cannot be measured.
How can we be children living in grace if we deny obedience? We are told we have become children of obedience, saved from being children of disobedience. If we, then, are children of obedience, and we are not familiear with what to obey and certain wisdom, we must study the entire Word to know what God's will is for us. After all most who claim to believe say daily or frequently, "thye will be done on earth as it is in heaven." One earth we are bing perfected, but we will not be perfect here; this comes when we are resurrected and perfection will come in that instant. Until that great and glorious time we walk in grace no longer fearing the curs eof the law, for it has been made obsolet by the Cross. We are to obey what we read is to be obeyed in the manner taught by Jesus Christ and His example. Otherwise, how do you know all we are to obey, and what is no loger?
Yes, all of the law hangs on the two laws of love. This means the laws are yet on love, not obsolete. If you love, you know the Law. Do you already love perfectly? God knows when you are perfect, for what He has begun in each of us, He will finish on His great and glorious day; yes He will...............God bless all who worship Jesus Christ, who hear Him, and who do what He taches. It is a difficult way to go, buut the rreward cannot be measured.
Jesus came to give us life and more abundantly..starting NOW. When Christianity is made to be ritualistic, 'thou shalt do this, thou shalt NOT do that", full of litergy and boring details, what good is it? The Holy Spirit binds us together..In HIM we have our freedom because HE always points to CHRIST. That would automatically keep our daily walk directed towards HIM. What we do, our actions, should reflect JESUS. That alone determines our spiritual law we abide by. I do not have to eat fish on fridays, go to a confessional booth, go out and get plastered/intoxicated, murder, etc..because I reflect JESUS. Believe me..GOD chastises His own because HE is the best Father we can have. Our earthly Law allows same sex marriage...our heavenly mindedness does NOT. Catch my drift? Yes..we need to 'render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasar's, but GOD gets our ultimate obedience.
Seriously, might want to read through all of the 613 Laws before commenting too much.
MarcR: 613 laws:
Yes, and did you see any on that list that are still valid today? I sure do. There are those on that list that are both in keeping with the Gospel of Jesus Christ under the New Covenant Grace, and the teachings of Paul, and the Laws of the Land.
Why it is important for people to actually read through the list of all 613. Now, there are surely many (I listed) that do not apply to me, or to my walk with Christ, but there are some that surely do. Yes, He writes His Laws on our hearts, but does that mean we can disregard them? I don't think so. If He went to the trouble to write them on our hearts, I would suspect He considered them important to us and to Him. But, now, that may just be me.
To obey is better than sacrifice and If you love Me keep My commandments......and then there is the song....trust and obey for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey...
When we walk with the Lord in the light of His word what a glory He sheds on our way....While we do His good will He abides with us still and with all who will trust and obey....
Not my words but the Bible and a song writer......Blond
When we walk with the Lord in the light of His word what a glory He sheds on our way....While we do His good will He abides with us still and with all who will trust and obey....
Not my words but the Bible and a song writer......Blond
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Romans 3:19 the law is for those who are under the law so every mouth will be shut, but apart from the law the righteousness of God has been revealed. No one will be declared righteous by the law, but only the knowledge of sin. Look at what I have posted it is scripture from the New Testament. I'm sorry but posting scripture from the New Testament is not a misdirected attempt to do anything I'm merely posting a scripture. Anyone who thinks this is an attempt to misguide people needs to seriously repent because as I have said before this is scripture
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If you are a doctor, you no longer need your medical professors, but you would be soon sued for malpractice if you practice without making constant reference and improving on what you have learned. Imagine being in any profession and forgetting what you have been taught? No, you no longer need any of your professors, but you most certainly must remember what you have been taught always keepin g abreast of any and all inovations in your field.
Children of the Most High God arre no different, we must always maintain the wisdom an dunderstanding we haver received in the Holy Spirit, plus we must keep our eyes open watching the unfolding of God's will while keeping our minds on His will.
Children of the Most High God arre no different, we must always maintain the wisdom an dunderstanding we haver received in the Holy Spirit, plus we must keep our eyes open watching the unfolding of God's will while keeping our minds on His will.
To the op; the law of faith.
Faith working through love.......
Habakkuk 2:4
“Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith.
Romans 3:27
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.
It's not about what we do as much as it is about what Father through Christ Jesus did for us.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Acts 13:39
and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.
Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Galatians 2:16
yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Ephesians 2:4-9
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Faith working through love.......
Habakkuk 2:4
“Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith.
Romans 3:27
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.
It's not about what we do as much as it is about what Father through Christ Jesus did for us.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Acts 13:39
and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.
Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Galatians 2:16
yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Ephesians 2:4-9
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Okay I am starting to get the gist of it here.
So we are not under the law, however, it would be in out nature is new creatures to abstain from Sin.
What I am saying - I admit my total ignorance in asking this - is, how do I find what is and is not a sin? I speak as a Christian no longer under the law. For example, I would of course obey the ten commandments out of my love for God and hate for sin.
Surely this would not be on the basis of feeling because I cannot trust my feelings as I would be easily deceived without the word as my point of reference and guide.
So we are not under the law, however, it would be in out nature is new creatures to abstain from Sin.
What I am saying - I admit my total ignorance in asking this - is, how do I find what is and is not a sin? I speak as a Christian no longer under the law. For example, I would of course obey the ten commandments out of my love for God and hate for sin.
Surely this would not be on the basis of feeling because I cannot trust my feelings as I would be easily deceived without the word as my point of reference and guide.
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Matthew4Jesus to answer your question I know you are only 20 by the information next to your post. How long you have been a beleiver I do not know. I hope you will see that my anwsers are straight out of the New Testament and I hope you see that while many disagree with my anwser many here understand the same thing I do about how were are considered right with God. With that in mind as your young mind ponders these post please remember that I was just trying to answer your question, and like I said before others on here agree with the same understanding of how to be considered justified by faith, not of works lest any man should boast.
Jaume,
A desire to see people refrain from multiple open threads on the same subject IS NOT a desire to suppress discussion!
It is, in fact, a desire to facilitate discussion. When there are multiple open threads on the same subject, it becomes difficult to follow a conversation. There is a definite movement on the forum to suppress rudeness: not only the rudeness of multiple open posts on ANY subject, but the rudeness of name calling and of sarcasm, and of snide remarks.
This desire is motivated by the desire of many of us to treat each other lovingly in our disagreements so as not to compromise our testimony before onlookers.
I don't question anyone's right to be rude! Many of us are asking All forum members to suppress their desire to be rude in the interest of maintaining our collective and individual testimonies!
If you had read my response posts in your,now closed, thread on teh subject you would know what I understand on the subject, but for your benefit, here it is again.
I realize that someone recently went through many of the posts on the Sabbath, the law and what laws are to be obeyed, and grace pasting his same post in them all. It annoyed me that he did this because he could have just started a thead of his own explaining his feelings and understanding on the subject rather than burdening me and all others who have prescriptions to all of those threads. It was a burden just tossing them
This action of spamming has no bearing on the freedom of all who believe to discuss the above mentioned topics as long as it is of imprt to themselves and others.
That particular day, at that time there were over three hundress users in the forums, seventeen only were members. This leaves a very large variable number of people who may or may not have read on the subject(s). Even if all had read on it, highly unlikely, when those, myself foremost, who are versed on the subjecst feel it incumbent upon them to stress the importance of understanding obedience under grace share what they have to share, it should not molest anyoee who has become tires of grace and obedience, law, etc as a topic of interest, for they have the obvious option of not reading the posts.
You were the one suggesting in youthread these posts should simply cease. Why would you think it your authority to even suggest such an obvious curtailment of th freedom of others and the knowledge from the Word being shared?
Again, you also have come in here to this thread knowing the topic,mainly, it seems to complain aabout it.
Why should I ever give up on my family in Christ by not posting on subjects so very importan to the members of teh Body of Christ. Am I inferior to the faith of my brethren? Are you superior to the faith of our brethren?
A single thread that is popular an never ceases on the subject is no differnt thatn a thousand threads on the subject.
Again, you did not have to come nto this thread, but I did because it enthuses me, and it is extremely important, in my impoverished esteem, for all who believe.
Keep participating in any thread you like, but also stay out of those you do not like There must be merit to them or they would not keep showing up.
Read all of what I have posted here, fo in the futue, when you ask the same questions, as you have in the pst, I will let you know I have alrellady address you quiery, as I have in the past. God bless you, and remember no one is intelligent without the wisdom and understanding from God, no one.
I realize that someone recently went through many of the posts on the Sabbath, the law and what laws are to be obeyed, and grace pasting his same post in them all. It annoyed me that he did this because he could have just started a thead of his own explaining his feelings and understanding on the subject rather than burdening me and all others who have prescriptions to all of those threads. It was a burden just tossing them
This action of spamming has no bearing on the freedom of all who believe to discuss the above mentioned topics as long as it is of imprt to themselves and others.
That particular day, at that time there were over three hundress users in the forums, seventeen only were members. This leaves a very large variable number of people who may or may not have read on the subject(s). Even if all had read on it, highly unlikely, when those, myself foremost, who are versed on the subjecst feel it incumbent upon them to stress the importance of understanding obedience under grace share what they have to share, it should not molest anyoee who has become tires of grace and obedience, law, etc as a topic of interest, for they have the obvious option of not reading the posts.
You were the one suggesting in youthread these posts should simply cease. Why would you think it your authority to even suggest such an obvious curtailment of th freedom of others and the knowledge from the Word being shared?
Again, you also have come in here to this thread knowing the topic,mainly, it seems to complain aabout it.
Why should I ever give up on my family in Christ by not posting on subjects so very importan to the members of teh Body of Christ. Am I inferior to the faith of my brethren? Are you superior to the faith of our brethren?
A single thread that is popular an never ceases on the subject is no differnt thatn a thousand threads on the subject.
Again, you did not have to come nto this thread, but I did because it enthuses me, and it is extremely important, in my impoverished esteem, for all who believe.
Keep participating in any thread you like, but also stay out of those you do not like There must be merit to them or they would not keep showing up.
Read all of what I have posted here, fo in the futue, when you ask the same questions, as you have in the pst, I will let you know I have alrellady address you quiery, as I have in the past. God bless you, and remember no one is intelligent without the wisdom and understanding from God, no one.