who are the "nones?"

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I recently read an article about the "nones" in The Philadelphia Trumpet. They are the (so called) "millennials" who are in their 20's and early 30's. They are mostly (but not all) liberals affiliated with the Democratic political party. From what I understand, they have been taught by religion, during their childhood, that the church shouldn't be associated with politics, and that a God of structure and regulation is not a God that they desire to worship. They only like scripture that complements their own life style. They accept same sex marriage and abortion, for the most part. I have thought, for some time now, that a church which denies the law of God, will eventually teach the younger generation to be lawless, and faithless simultaneously. What is your thoughts?
 

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My thoughts? If ever they're put in charge then None will follow them.
 
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My thoughts? If ever they're put in charge then None will follow them.
Are you indicating that judgment will follow soon, or that more "nones" will be propagated by the first set?
 
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I don't see why mine generation gets this label; is it not the Boomers and Xer generations still sitting in the seats of government, business, media, and so-called religious institutions? Are not the Boomers and the Xers the one whom started all of this.

Why blame you mine generation for not doing unto our parents like the children of Syria did unto theirs? Yea and we hath even more reason to than the children of Syria had, but despite the hypocrisy of the Boomers and Xers, are they not yet our parents and thus it is their turn to rule or misrule? Blame not mine generation for these things, but turn ye back Boomers and Xers, ye be the ones in charge and if ye can no longer rule step aside peaceably.
 
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I recently read an article about the "nones" in The Philadelphia Trumpet. They are the (so called) "millennials" who are in their 20's and early 30's. They are mostly (but not all) liberals affiliated with the Democratic political party. From what I understand, they have been taught by religion, during their childhood, that the church shouldn't be associated with politics, and that a God of structure and regulation is not a God that they desire to worship. They only like scripture that complements their own life style. They accept same sex marriage and abortion, for the most part. I have thought, for some time now, that a church which denies the law of God, will eventually teach the younger generation to be lawless, and faithless simultaneously. What is your thoughts?
My thoughts?

How did a church called "Philadelphia Church of God" come out of Oklahoma? Is there a Philadelphia in Oklahoma, because they're in Edmond?

From my perspective most of the visible church is just like them -- make up a god of their own liking and then indoctrinate the kids to believe the same junk. I don't think they have a monopoly on that. I think the majority of what people call Christians IS that. So the only thing that surprises me is they have a denomination of that. Since everyone is inventing a god they like, how do you find that many people to agree on the invented god?

The real God will still have himself a people. Those whom he has chosen will come. So it really doesn't matter what crap is taught apart from God, because God yanks us out of all sorts of crap. This is but one variation of the theme.
 
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My thoughts? If ever they're put in charge then None will follow them.
I'm American. Didn't our country vote that guy in twice? Someone is following. :p
 
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I don't see why mine generation gets this label; is it not the Boomers and Xer generations still sitting in the seats of government, business, media, and so-called religious institutions? Are not the Boomers and the Xers the one whom started all of this.

Why blame you mine generation for not doing unto our parents like the children of Syria did unto theirs? Yea and we hath even more reason to than the children of Syria had, but despite the hypocrisy of the Boomers and Xers, are they not yet our parents and thus it is their turn to rule or misrule? Blame not mine generation for these things, but turn ye back Boomers and Xers, ye be the ones in charge and if ye can no longer rule step aside peaceably.
I'm not blaming the millennials, being your generation, as totally to blame. The Bible says "The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." Numbers 14:18

I'm saying that the "nones" your generation that have no religion have been taught by the previous generations with religious, and political falsehoods without foundation. Henceforth many have been repulsed. It's a sort of liberal quazi, very subtle communism, and social equality. It has even affected the "baby boomers" such as myself, and it started quite soon after WW2 as near as I can tell.
 
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My thoughts?

How did a church called "Philadelphia Church of God" come out of Oklahoma? Is there a Philadelphia in Oklahoma, because they're in Edmond?

From my perspective most of the visible church is just like them -- make up a god of their own liking and then indoctrinate the kids to believe the same junk. I don't think they have a monopoly on that. I think the majority of what people call Christians IS that. So the only thing that surprises me is they have a denomination of that. Since everyone is inventing a god they like, how do you find that many people to agree on the invented god?

The real God will still have himself a people. Those whom he has chosen will come. So it really doesn't matter what crap is taught apart from God, because God yanks us out of all sorts of crap. This is but one variation of the theme.

O agree that there are a lot of junky religions out there
. Philadelphia means brotherly love in Greek. I suppose they love in Oklahoma too. LOL
 
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"Nones" or "Gnomes"? ...lol silly witted creatures who have no shame or plan to allow GOD into their lives, unless on their own terms. Either way, you have the same result.
 

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yep. junky religion. just saying that Christians are supposed to keep the O.T. law to be saved. talk all law and no grace. oops!! guess I am talking about the law-loving o.p.
 
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yep. junky religion. just saying that Christians are supposed to keep the O.T. law to be saved. talk all law and no grace. oops!! guess I am talking about the law-loving o.p.
King David loved it too because it defines love. Keeping the law doesn't bring salvation, it only teaches us how to act, and it certainly confirms a love toward the Giver. Try it after salvation and grow in your fervent appreciation of our Almighty gracious God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Our observance of love doesn't accomplish salvation either, only Christ Jesus can do that, our Passover.

Now back to the topic of the OP please, because your rant is not helping the "nones."

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6

And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deuteronomy 6:7

Leviticus 19:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
 
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I'm not blaming the millennials, being your generation, as totally to blame. The Bible says "The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." Numbers 14:18

I'm saying that the "nones" your generation that have no religion have been taught by the previous generations with religious, and political falsehoods without foundation. Henceforth many have been repulsed. It's a sort of liberal quazi, very subtle communism, and social equality. It has even affected the "baby boomers" such as myself, and it started quite soon after WW2 as near as I can tell.
Don't blame it on my generation at all, you should know that song about how we didn't start the fire. Don't blame "liberals" for what is liberal anymore? Can your generation even go any further? What is conservative? Do we want to maintain the ways of the Boomers and Xers if this corruption be the status quo? Don't blame the democrats for they have done nothing different than the republicans, they are even the same. Mine generation is turned off by whatever yours controls for all the hypocrisy, it is only too visible. What is this communism blaming even? Communism does not, and cannot even exist and is folley to all those whom try it. However, so too is the lie called democracy impossible and evil to attempt.

This be why mine generation doesn't what to be labelled as anything to do with your generations, there's just too much hypocrisy. That is why the Millenials want none of it and it isn't a bad thing at all. However, there's two types of Millenials, Apathetics and Fanatics. The apathetics don't want none of it, but they don't really care so they ain't going to stop it, they'll probably just crack some sarcastic jokes and post some ironic pop culture references, oft from your generation. The fanatics however they either want to destroy all these things or to pursue their cause with zeal.

Religion is the exception here actually, there is a resurgence in interest in religion with Millenials, mostly those that be Fanatics. Of course because of the hypocrisies of the older generations and the churches of stone though there is that ever present desire that all zealots have, and that is purity. The problem is of course this seems to be common among all the religions. That is why you have phenomena like the mass exodus from the fallen churches of stone, the rise of the Islamic State, both problems and blessings for the nation called Israel, the fall of nations viewed as corrupt, religious wars, rise in cults, rise in diverse heresies, rise in false prophets the "spiritual-but-not-religious" movement (which is an oxymoron I know, but that's what they call it). However there is also good, even miracles the likes not seen in centuries, maybe even millena such as a renewed interest in taking the Bible literally, true prophecies, healings, street evangelism, uncovering much scientific evidence and knowledge for the literal view of the Bible, holy martyrdom, and even just common discussions about the Bible and Jesus and God, etc.
 
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All religion is man made it is man's attempt to reach God it is doomed for failure . Man did not go to God God came to man thus Christianity if you will. A fool in his heart says their is no God so let's create one with no rules and no say hmmmm sounds foolish to me even to concern yourself with it.
 
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I don't see why mine generation gets this label; is it not the Boomers and Xer generations still sitting in the seats of government, business, media, and so-called religious institutions? Are not the Boomers and the Xers the one whom started all of this.

Why blame you mine generation for not doing unto our parents like the children of Syria did unto theirs? Yea and we hath even more reason to than the children of Syria had, but despite the hypocrisy of the Boomers and Xers, are they not yet our parents and thus it is their turn to rule or misrule? Blame not mine generation for these things, but turn ye back Boomers and Xers, ye be the ones in charge and if ye can no longer rule step aside peaceably.
So, you immediately place blame elsewhere? Ever consider that's what we're talking about? You were well trained in what you're supposed to do culturally. Time to start thinking in another way.
 

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This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
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Mine generation is turned off by whatever yours controls for all the hypocrisy, it is only too visible. What is this communism blaming even? Communism does not, and cannot even exist and is folley to all those whom try it. However, so too is the lie called democracy impossible and evil to attempt.

This be why mine generation doesn't what to be labelled as anything to do with your generations, there's just too much hypocrisy.
would it surprise you to know these are the very same thoughts expressed by the 1960's generation of young people?

nothing new under the sun, i guess. :)
 
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would it surprise you to know these are the very same thoughts expressed by the 1960's generation of young people?

nothing new under the sun, i guess. :)
I saw the same in GodIsSalvation, but he did say "there is a resurgence in interest in religion with Millenials." Even though they are labeled as "fanatics."

The philosophy in the 60's was to change everything, and then see what might evolve. I am part of that generation, but because I was ex-military, and I was hated. I still question the insanity of rejection. "If it works, don't fix it."

AND

"If we don't learn from history, we are bound to repeat the same mistakes."

In my experience, (leaving salvation aside for a moment) why have many religious denominations rejected Biblical history, mostly defined by the human reaction to the law God gave to Moses for the nation of Israel? (Rhetorically speaking)

Hebrews 6:1-9
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And this will we do, if God permit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
 

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My thoughts?

How did a church called "Philadelphia Church of God" come out of Oklahoma? Is there a Philadelphia in Oklahoma, because they're in Edmond?

From my perspective most of the visible church is just like them -- make up a god of their own liking and then indoctrinate the kids to believe the same junk. I don't think they have a monopoly on that. I think the majority of what people call Christians IS that. So the only thing that surprises me is they have a denomination of that. Since everyone is inventing a god they like, how do you find that many people to agree on the invented god?

The real God will still have himself a people. Those whom he has chosen will come. So it really doesn't matter what crap is taught apart from God, because God yanks us out of all sorts of crap. This is but one variation of the theme.
Philadelphia refers to Rev 1:11, and Rev 3:7. Church of God refers to the cult of G. Herbert Armstrong; and British Israelism--- And may possibly include the 'Hebrew Roots movement (though I am by no means certain of the connection).
 
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Philadelphia refers to Rev 1:11, and Rev 3:7. Church of God refers to the cult of G. Herbert Armstrong; and British Israelism--- And may possibly include the 'Hebrew Roots movement (though I am by no means certain of the connection).
We get their magazine, and very few articles draw my interest. We didn't order the magazine, it just comes. Nevertheless, I haven't read anything in the magazine that isn't Bible based. I do as the Berean's in Acts 17