I can agree with that for as much as I know. They were no different than the Catholics at the time of Henry the 8th. The only thing that was really changed was the name, but the rituals stayed the same, for the most part. The only reason Henry the 8th changed the name, and rebelled against the Catholic church, is because he wanted a divorce, and the pope disallowed it.
who are the "nones?"
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FYI
Eshtar is the word for Easter. Does this look like "starbucks?"
It is the image of Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex. This is the Greek word for Easter.
Ashtarowth ( עַשְׁתָּרוֹת ) is the Hebrew word for the same goddess, who is affiliated with Molech, i.e. Nimrod.
Genesis 10:8
"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 18:21)
The name Easter can be traced back to the name "Astarte," the Syrian sun goddess, known as the "queen of heaven".
This religion created in Babylon by Nimrod and Semiramis was making them rich as the people had to pay money to come into the temple to sacrifice their babies at the Winter Solstice (December 21st-25th) and also at “Easter (Ishtar) Sunrise Services,” at the spring or Vernal Equinox (March 21st-25th). Every year on March 25th & December 25th, there would be wild drunken parties and orgies where virgins were impregnated by pagan priests. Since there are 9 months to a pregnancy, and there are also 9 months between March 25th and December 25th, the pagan priests of Ba’al would impregnate these virgins on Easter Sunday. This was done to commemorate the impregnation of Semiramis with Tammuz, and then by December 25th when these infants were newly born, they would then offer up these new born babies on the altar to “Moloch” (Nimrod) on December 25th. A few months later on Easter “Sun-day” they would offer up more infants to the goddess named “Easter” or “Ishtar” the moon goddess Semiramis. They would then take the blood of these sacrificed infants and dip “eggs” in them called Ishtar Eggs.
No one knows when Jesus was really born.
And they forsook the Lord, and served Baal and Ashtaroth. Judges 2:13
I'm not judging, just pointing out what God hates in place of what He has endorsed.
Eshtar is the word for Easter. Does this look like "starbucks?"
It is the image of Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex. This is the Greek word for Easter.
Ashtarowth ( עַשְׁתָּרוֹת ) is the Hebrew word for the same goddess, who is affiliated with Molech, i.e. Nimrod.
Genesis 10:8
"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 18:21)
The name Easter can be traced back to the name "Astarte," the Syrian sun goddess, known as the "queen of heaven".
This religion created in Babylon by Nimrod and Semiramis was making them rich as the people had to pay money to come into the temple to sacrifice their babies at the Winter Solstice (December 21st-25th) and also at “Easter (Ishtar) Sunrise Services,” at the spring or Vernal Equinox (March 21st-25th). Every year on March 25th & December 25th, there would be wild drunken parties and orgies where virgins were impregnated by pagan priests. Since there are 9 months to a pregnancy, and there are also 9 months between March 25th and December 25th, the pagan priests of Ba’al would impregnate these virgins on Easter Sunday. This was done to commemorate the impregnation of Semiramis with Tammuz, and then by December 25th when these infants were newly born, they would then offer up these new born babies on the altar to “Moloch” (Nimrod) on December 25th. A few months later on Easter “Sun-day” they would offer up more infants to the goddess named “Easter” or “Ishtar” the moon goddess Semiramis. They would then take the blood of these sacrificed infants and dip “eggs” in them called Ishtar Eggs.
No one knows when Jesus was really born.
And they forsook the Lord, and served Baal and Ashtaroth. Judges 2:13
I'm not judging, just pointing out what God hates in place of what He has endorsed.
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@just-me Aye on the comments about the Church of England and its dubious beginnings, though that is only the tip of the iceburg. Nevertheless, there are so many we would be going on and on about them for months, maybe years. Seeing as we agree on this we need not go on further.
On Easter, I am familiar with this theory, but it is wrong. Nimrod and Semiramis did not live at the same time. Semiramis lived centuries to a millenia later and was a queen of Assyria according to the ancient greek histories and she was not connected to Nimrod, though nevertheless indeed a wicked queen by all historical accounts.
As for the actual origin of the word Easter, it is one possibility it was taken from one of the ancient European idols, but there is a possible alternative that it is derived from an old german word auferstehn, which means resurrection.
I do agree though that no one knows the date on which Jesus was born, but nevertheless I am glad that he was. Doesn't matter to me if anyone celebrates it on a particular day or every day.
On Easter, I am familiar with this theory, but it is wrong. Nimrod and Semiramis did not live at the same time. Semiramis lived centuries to a millenia later and was a queen of Assyria according to the ancient greek histories and she was not connected to Nimrod, though nevertheless indeed a wicked queen by all historical accounts.
As for the actual origin of the word Easter, it is one possibility it was taken from one of the ancient European idols, but there is a possible alternative that it is derived from an old german word auferstehn, which means resurrection.
I do agree though that no one knows the date on which Jesus was born, but nevertheless I am glad that he was. Doesn't matter to me if anyone celebrates it on a particular day or every day.
I brought up the subjects of celebrations Biblical and non-Biblical to help you to identify what is true and false in todays churches that you are in the process of critiquing. What you do with the information is yours alone. Check this thread out from a young man 6 years younger than you are. In so doing I think you will see a great parallel between the millennials of your generation, and the 2 generations that have preceded yours. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117851-should-christian-celebrate-christmas-easter.html#post2174132
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117851-should-christian-celebrate-christmas-easter.html#post2174132
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Yea it is a good topic, but I am not critiquing the churches, and the Bible all ready says that people are not to be judged upon observance of days (Colossians 2:16-17). I am merely witnessing to what they actually teach and whether it be biblical or heretical. Like for instance, the one church I am investigating now, the only heresy I have seen from it that is the popular Lucifer Heresy, but this was only on their webpage and it might not be one of their doctrines, but for that I shall have to investigate.
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24
In the original Aramaic language of Paul's writings, for your edification I quote;
Let no (pagan) therefore judge you about food and drink, or about the distinction of festivals and new moons and sabbaths which were shadows of things then future; but the body of Mashiyach. (Meaning the church) Colossians 2:16-17
The body of Christ (the church) must not be concerned with the judgments of those who are outside of the will of God, not knowing the Torah or Christ. Paul is addressing the local talk of the pagans whose religion dominates this region in Colossia.
Compare this with Colossians 1:24 "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:"
The church determines how to observe the Torah, therefore Paul admonished the church not to let pagans judge the church's actions for the lawless have their own religious customs and way of doing things. Paul is exhorting the church to be separated from those things. He is not instructing the children of God that they aren't supposed to judge others in the congregation if they observe Christmas or Easter which actually derived from pagan celebrations. If you desire to be separate from the previous generations that practice religious traditions, then you have to go back to square one in the Bible. I do not, by any means, endorse Judaism, legalism or involve myself in the "Hebrew Roots" thing. I get my foundational information from the Bible. I do use various translations for better understanding.
In the original Aramaic language of Paul's writings, for your edification I quote;
Let no (pagan) therefore judge you about food and drink, or about the distinction of festivals and new moons and sabbaths which were shadows of things then future; but the body of Mashiyach. (Meaning the church) Colossians 2:16-17
The body of Christ (the church) must not be concerned with the judgments of those who are outside of the will of God, not knowing the Torah or Christ. Paul is addressing the local talk of the pagans whose religion dominates this region in Colossia.
Compare this with Colossians 1:24 "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:"
The church determines how to observe the Torah, therefore Paul admonished the church not to let pagans judge the church's actions for the lawless have their own religious customs and way of doing things. Paul is exhorting the church to be separated from those things. He is not instructing the children of God that they aren't supposed to judge others in the congregation if they observe Christmas or Easter which actually derived from pagan celebrations. If you desire to be separate from the previous generations that practice religious traditions, then you have to go back to square one in the Bible. I do not, by any means, endorse Judaism, legalism or involve myself in the "Hebrew Roots" thing. I get my foundational information from the Bible. I do use various translations for better understanding.
In my Bible Colossians 2:16-17 says man instead of pagan. It is a KJV.
Nevertheless really John 7:24 puts it right there. All the holidays and such are just outward appearances. We just gotta judge by the spirit of the churches. Indeed by not judging upon such things as holidays we are even separate from them, but we will judge on the weightier matters like whether or not they believe the Bible or heresies. If it so be if they have heresies, as it seems from afar that all the churches do, if it be at all possible to purge those heresies, but to retain that which is good, so as to help with the fusion of the true churches before the onset of the great tribulation.
Nevertheless really John 7:24 puts it right there. All the holidays and such are just outward appearances. We just gotta judge by the spirit of the churches. Indeed by not judging upon such things as holidays we are even separate from them, but we will judge on the weightier matters like whether or not they believe the Bible or heresies. If it so be if they have heresies, as it seems from afar that all the churches do, if it be at all possible to purge those heresies, but to retain that which is good, so as to help with the fusion of the true churches before the onset of the great tribulation.
Okay. Let's incorporate the next 2 verses so we can see verses 16 and 17 in context with Paul's admonitions to the church in Colossia.
Colossians 2:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
It is clear that the worshiping of angels was a pagan practice concerning Nephilim such as Goliath and his family during the time of David. These spiritual influences were there in Biblical history, were there in Colossia, and are also here today. They may, and can take different forms, while we "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12
The heresy confronting the Colossians seems also to have included the worship of angels (2:18). This points to a pagan and mystical element in this heresy. In light of biblical revelation, these angels turn out to be fallen angels or demonic spirits. In the Bible, we find that there are good (angelic) and bad (demonic) spirits. Angels are the ‘messengers’ of God sent to do his will, usually behind the scenes. The Bible never tells Christians to cultivate conscious relationships with angels, although they do visibly appear throughout both the Old and New Testaments.
Take John 7:24 in context with spiritual gifts such as discerning of spirits (plural). "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
"To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" 1 Corinthians 12:10
Colossians 2:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
It is clear that the worshiping of angels was a pagan practice concerning Nephilim such as Goliath and his family during the time of David. These spiritual influences were there in Biblical history, were there in Colossia, and are also here today. They may, and can take different forms, while we "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12
The heresy confronting the Colossians seems also to have included the worship of angels (2:18). This points to a pagan and mystical element in this heresy. In light of biblical revelation, these angels turn out to be fallen angels or demonic spirits. In the Bible, we find that there are good (angelic) and bad (demonic) spirits. Angels are the ‘messengers’ of God sent to do his will, usually behind the scenes. The Bible never tells Christians to cultivate conscious relationships with angels, although they do visibly appear throughout both the Old and New Testaments.
Take John 7:24 in context with spiritual gifts such as discerning of spirits (plural). "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
"To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" 1 Corinthians 12:10
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Im not going to defend the church of England but I wouldn't agree on it being a cult. It started out as a breakaway from
the Roman Catholic Church. Henry VIII wanted a divorce from Catherine of Aragon but the Pope refused to grant it so he
took over as head of the church that is why our Monarchs are still at the head of the Church of England. Actually there are many different forms of worship within the Church that range from Pentecostal/Evangelical to traditional formal types of worship.
the Roman Catholic Church. Henry VIII wanted a divorce from Catherine of Aragon but the Pope refused to grant it so he
took over as head of the church that is why our Monarchs are still at the head of the Church of England. Actually there are many different forms of worship within the Church that range from Pentecostal/Evangelical to traditional formal types of worship.