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One thing I have noticed in my life, even when I was doing it myself. (I think it helped to be the generation after the hippies and seeing how wrong they were despite having the political pull to stop a war that should never have been stopped.) Every young generation is just cocky enough to think they alone can fix the world. Those who do that by joining ISIS are just as young and just as stupid as we were at their age. I really don't think this is new, since my generation blew up abortion clinics and GenYers caused in discriminate havoc i the name of GreenPeace. This generation also waste time rioting over thugs and surface issues. Nothing has changed, except the level of anger. In a larger look at history, anger is merely rising. (Things have been pathetically quiet for a good 30 years now.) That doesn't mean it will rise to the level of the Romans in the first century. So, no. Really not appalled by the stupidity of younger generations. After all, my generation kind of called on them to be this stupid. lol
The thunders are the secrets of God, and they have not been yet revealed. We're not in the tribulations Revelation speaks of yet, but that is reserved for the last generation.
As for technology, don't worry too much about it, technology as we know it won't last much longer. Indeed the fall of technology a testament against those that put too much faith in the works of their hands, which as you rightly perceive is a problem of our time now, even a common problem for all the generations alive at the moment.
Aye indeed I also do like you as well.
I think you have a heart for mine generation. As I said though my generation be not interested in most of the stone churches, my generation is very interested in religion and the Bible. The saying that rings true in my heart about my generation the most is "the harvest is plentiful, but the labourers few."
As for technology, don't worry too much about it, technology as we know it won't last much longer. Indeed the fall of technology a testament against those that put too much faith in the works of their hands, which as you rightly perceive is a problem of our time now, even a common problem for all the generations alive at the moment.
Aye indeed I also do like you as well.
I think you have a heart for mine generation. As I said though my generation be not interested in most of the stone churches, my generation is very interested in religion and the Bible. The saying that rings true in my heart about my generation the most is "the harvest is plentiful, but the labourers few."
I have children and grandchildren that I deeply care for. The influence of the world has influenced them, but thanks be to our Father in Heaven, He is still speaking to them, some by their faith, and experiences, and some because my wife (of 44 years now) and I continue to beckon YHWH, in the name of Christ Jesus to continue speaking to them through their experiences that they have and will have. My favorite scripture....and one of my favorite songs for many years.
Romans 5:1-5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
A quiet conscience is attributed to faith, it is to be referred to Christ, who is the giver of faith itself, and in whom faith itself is effectual. We must continue in knowing that we still have this same effect of faith. By grace, that is, by which gracious love and good will, or that state where we are graciously taken.
We stand steadfast, preventing objection against them which see, and ridicule the daily calamities of the true believer in Christ.
So Paul answers that our blessings are laid up under hope in Christ so we do not rejoice less because of trials, and tribulation.
[video=youtube;KNq3IHEqag4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KNq3IHEqag4[/video]
Romans 5:1-5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
A quiet conscience is attributed to faith, it is to be referred to Christ, who is the giver of faith itself, and in whom faith itself is effectual. We must continue in knowing that we still have this same effect of faith. By grace, that is, by which gracious love and good will, or that state where we are graciously taken.
We stand steadfast, preventing objection against them which see, and ridicule the daily calamities of the true believer in Christ.
So Paul answers that our blessings are laid up under hope in Christ so we do not rejoice less because of trials, and tribulation.
[video=youtube;KNq3IHEqag4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KNq3IHEqag4[/video]
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Aye indeed, our hope is not in this world, but in the promise of God.
Heh looking at the woman's comment, she thinketh mine generation thinks to save the world, and for sooth that seems to be what the elder generations attempted, and of course by trying to save it they only destroy it further. My generation certainly does not want to save this world, even the unbelievers know that there is no hope to save this world. Again that powerlessness to save this corrupted world for them feeds the Apathy vs Fanaticism paradigm. What the unbelievers of my generation don't know though is the promise of God to destroy this world and make new heaven and new earth and to resurrect everyone, and that even that is our hope and Jesus is the proof.
Heh looking at the woman's comment, she thinketh mine generation thinks to save the world, and for sooth that seems to be what the elder generations attempted, and of course by trying to save it they only destroy it further. My generation certainly does not want to save this world, even the unbelievers know that there is no hope to save this world. Again that powerlessness to save this corrupted world for them feeds the Apathy vs Fanaticism paradigm. What the unbelievers of my generation don't know though is the promise of God to destroy this world and make new heaven and new earth and to resurrect everyone, and that even that is our hope and Jesus is the proof.
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Don't trust statistics, they are all lies. For sooth, you can't poll everyone. Nevertheless, it is true there is a big falling away in this time. A good way to know is go into the churches and just take a look around at the people. Granted that going to the churches of stone does not necessarily mean you believe, but it is a good way to see truthfully, at least for your area, the effects.
I am not a big church-goer as I have said, but I went to a Bible Study class last week, and for sooth I was the only one of my generation in there. I also noted there were very few Xers as well. Good news about the Boomer generations though, I saw with my own eyes there were a lot of them. Also good news, is lots of the children too, lol though I don't think they had a choice, but they did seem to enjoy themselves. Not sure what is typical for that church though, it could be because they had a special guest, whom was a kindly Venezuelan missionary returning from India.
The only problem with studying it by visiting the churches is of course though those that say they are, but are not (for even the Pharisees went to church) and of course those that do not go to churches of stone but yet are. Nevertheless, I suppose it's a good way to know at least whom is interested.
I am not a big church-goer as I have said, but I went to a Bible Study class last week, and for sooth I was the only one of my generation in there. I also noted there were very few Xers as well. Good news about the Boomer generations though, I saw with my own eyes there were a lot of them. Also good news, is lots of the children too, lol though I don't think they had a choice, but they did seem to enjoy themselves. Not sure what is typical for that church though, it could be because they had a special guest, whom was a kindly Venezuelan missionary returning from India.
The only problem with studying it by visiting the churches is of course though those that say they are, but are not (for even the Pharisees went to church) and of course those that do not go to churches of stone but yet are. Nevertheless, I suppose it's a good way to know at least whom is interested.
Ya. Indeed! I was thinking about what has caused this "falling away" which is prophesied in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. I speak only from what I have observed. There are many traditions that are religious in churches these days. I call it a form and a fashion, without any notable reality that is comprehended by the younger generations, and I'm not talking about young children in this case. This is seen a lot in Catholicism, Episcopal, Presbyterian, and Lutheran denominations, even though Catholics claim themselves not to be a denomination such as Protestants do.
On the opposite end of the spectrum I see religions that claim no denomination, but have a very free liberal agenda that seems to almost claim that there is no real personal responsibility, and Jesus (being another person) bears all of our stewardship without any meaningful reciprocation on our part. It's like a "happy go lucky" scenario that is totally detached from reality. This includes many protestant denominations, Charismatic, and Evangelical presenting a doctrine as if salvation is a thing of the past, and we have our ticket to heaven punched when we were saved.
In both cases, the religion seems to be far removed from reality, as we experience our lives concerning neighbors, work, family, vacations, etc.
Years past, I was teaching adult Sunday School, and presented a salvation that was every day, and called it a process in life. It was rejected by the clergy, and they refused, or at least failed to comprehend the reality of Jesus' words in Luke 9:23 saying " If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
This is just a small explanation of many other things I have witnessed which I believe is causing this "falling away." Salvation in Christ is truly real, but if it is presented as "having no responsibility in loving God back, or if it's nothing but a form and a fashion with rituals and tradition, it is meaningless to the observer who is truly searching for the truth that brings us real life if all they see is some sort of detached fiction.
On the opposite end of the spectrum I see religions that claim no denomination, but have a very free liberal agenda that seems to almost claim that there is no real personal responsibility, and Jesus (being another person) bears all of our stewardship without any meaningful reciprocation on our part. It's like a "happy go lucky" scenario that is totally detached from reality. This includes many protestant denominations, Charismatic, and Evangelical presenting a doctrine as if salvation is a thing of the past, and we have our ticket to heaven punched when we were saved.
In both cases, the religion seems to be far removed from reality, as we experience our lives concerning neighbors, work, family, vacations, etc.
Years past, I was teaching adult Sunday School, and presented a salvation that was every day, and called it a process in life. It was rejected by the clergy, and they refused, or at least failed to comprehend the reality of Jesus' words in Luke 9:23 saying " If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
This is just a small explanation of many other things I have witnessed which I believe is causing this "falling away." Salvation in Christ is truly real, but if it is presented as "having no responsibility in loving God back, or if it's nothing but a form and a fashion with rituals and tradition, it is meaningless to the observer who is truly searching for the truth that brings us real life if all they see is some sort of detached fiction.
In regards to looking at it through the denominational lens, this actually be where I find the Catholics to be useful. First let me note, I am not Catholic, and to my knowledge no one in my family is. Neverthless I do know from my community people whose families are Catholic, and the ones of my generation from Catholic families actually still hold fast to Christianity, more than any other denomination in the area for my age group by a very big margin. I think Christians should reconsider their stance on the Catholics. Granted that like all the churches, just going to a church or a specific denomination is no gurantee they believe in Jesus, but Catholics that believe are Christian, and they in fact have a treasure trove of knowledge and for those gifted with good discernment, wisdom, and judgement they will help cultivate belief.
Also so-called Charismatics and Pentecostals interest me and others of my generation. I have done a little study of them, but have not gone in person just yet to investigate them since the nearest Pentecostal church is two towns over and I walk lol and that's a far walk, but from what I studied and show my friends this be a denomination that I see a lot of merit in for spreading the Word of God. Now don't fret, for indeed there are many charismatic cults, that are easily detected as cults, and my generation ain't fooled by them. However, I have noticed there be certain so-called Charismatics that are indeed true Christians and I think they be useful for reaching out to Millenials in particular because they clearly display the power of God, namely in the gift of healing people. That's that power stuff again. Prophecy is a power and so is evangelism, but most the people of this generation you can talk to them all day and only a very few of them will stay interested, and most of them are not interested in reading books, but healing is something that can keep even the most unlearned Millenials attention and of course helps them tremendously to believe, even if they are not the ones being healed, but just to witness it.
Like in my profile, this be a good topic as a whole that interests me. I am highly interested in seeing an end to the denominations and seeing the true denominations fused together into one whole Christianity.
Also so-called Charismatics and Pentecostals interest me and others of my generation. I have done a little study of them, but have not gone in person just yet to investigate them since the nearest Pentecostal church is two towns over and I walk lol and that's a far walk, but from what I studied and show my friends this be a denomination that I see a lot of merit in for spreading the Word of God. Now don't fret, for indeed there are many charismatic cults, that are easily detected as cults, and my generation ain't fooled by them. However, I have noticed there be certain so-called Charismatics that are indeed true Christians and I think they be useful for reaching out to Millenials in particular because they clearly display the power of God, namely in the gift of healing people. That's that power stuff again. Prophecy is a power and so is evangelism, but most the people of this generation you can talk to them all day and only a very few of them will stay interested, and most of them are not interested in reading books, but healing is something that can keep even the most unlearned Millenials attention and of course helps them tremendously to believe, even if they are not the ones being healed, but just to witness it.
Like in my profile, this be a good topic as a whole that interests me. I am highly interested in seeing an end to the denominations and seeing the true denominations fused together into one whole Christianity.
Well lately I have been sent forth on a mission to investigate and bear witness to what churches be Christian and which churches be heretics, but I am not an official member of any of their churches of stone, and this has only recently been placed on my heart. To be frank, I did not expect good from them, but so far I have been pleasantly surprised, though I have only begun the investigation of one church, a so-called non-denominational church. I have only found one heresy within it. However, when I went it was also a special event, so I will have to continue my investigation of this one before I move to the next. I will be glad to report my findings here if you're interested.
With tongue in cheek I want to present something that is being totally missed in religion today, including Catholics and Protestants alike. As you know they all celebrate supposed Biblical holidays, but are totally missing, and ignoring the true Biblical Holy Days as defined in scripture. During the Millennial period when Jesus rules with an iron rod, these true holidays will be observed, and we will no longer be celebrating Christmas and Easter. It will be something totally different than these previously mentioned religions/denominations observe. These falsehoods have been endorsed by the Catholics for hundreds of years. Even the calendar we use is not Biblical. It was invented by a pope in relation to the ancient Roman and Greek gods. Basically, every religion I have mentioned in this post is actually practicing the "doctrine of Balaam," and very few, who are members, if any at all, realize this fact. see Revelation 2:14
I have known Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses. They have all been good people in my estimation, and I would call them friends, but I don't adhere to their religion. I have written a book that is quite deep concerning Biblical holidays if you are interested.
I have known Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses. They have all been good people in my estimation, and I would call them friends, but I don't adhere to their religion. I have written a book that is quite deep concerning Biblical holidays if you are interested.
Actually the holidays aren't anything to fret over. It is clearly written to let no man judge you on holydays and such vain things as days and all that (Colossians 2). It makes sense too because there is even one holy day which we look forward to, which is of course the coming of Christ with power.
As for the catholics, mormons, and jehovah's witnesses. The catholics, they are one of the churches still Christian, though indeed in our time they are encompassed by enemies within and without. The mormons are definantly not Christian at all for Joseph Smith is a classic example of a false prophet, and that is evidenced by how either he himself or Satan pretending to be an angel brought forth a false gospel. As for the Jehovah's Witnesses, I need to do more study on them.
As for the catholics, mormons, and jehovah's witnesses. The catholics, they are one of the churches still Christian, though indeed in our time they are encompassed by enemies within and without. The mormons are definantly not Christian at all for Joseph Smith is a classic example of a false prophet, and that is evidenced by how either he himself or Satan pretending to be an angel brought forth a false gospel. As for the Jehovah's Witnesses, I need to do more study on them.
Biblical holy days are what directs us to the real truth, unlike man made. If you are searching for denominational truth, and correct religion, this is something that needs to seriously be considered, because Biblical (God given holy days) are important for recognizing the truth. Neglecting the spiritual aspects of these God ordained times leaves us with no alternative but to be deceived into believing a lie because it seems right to the carnal mind that we are born with. This neglect is the epitome that fosters deception This is something to consider with extreme seriousness for we can easily replace God's divine will with man's endorsement of what was never true. It hides the main focus concerning the example of Israel, and our unchanging God.
"And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;" Genesis 26:4
Abraham is recognized to be the forefather of Israel, and God presented His will first to them, and through Christ gave opportunity to those of us who are not of that same genealogy. God hasn't changed in the least.
There is a way to know right off whether a church is true or not. Ask the clergy this question. "Is your church preparing for the reign of Jesus Christ during the prophesied 1000 years by observing the spiritual truth in the feast of the 7th month called tabernacles?" and see if they know what that means, and discern their demeanor and response. Anything negative, or manifestation of ignorance in their response will let you know whether or not they are stalemated in man-made traditions.
Zechariah 14:16-19
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
"And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;" Genesis 26:4
Abraham is recognized to be the forefather of Israel, and God presented His will first to them, and through Christ gave opportunity to those of us who are not of that same genealogy. God hasn't changed in the least.
There is a way to know right off whether a church is true or not. Ask the clergy this question. "Is your church preparing for the reign of Jesus Christ during the prophesied 1000 years by observing the spiritual truth in the feast of the 7th month called tabernacles?" and see if they know what that means, and discern their demeanor and response. Anything negative, or manifestation of ignorance in their response will let you know whether or not they are stalemated in man-made traditions.
Zechariah 14:16-19
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
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I agree there is profit to be found in studying the spiritual meaning between the biblical feasts and festivals indeed. For instance with passover being both a memorial to God saving Israel out of Egypt, and a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
My point though is that observing or not any holidays in our time now be they biblical or non-biblical does not matter any more due to what is written in Colossians 2:16-17.
EDIT: Again Passover is a good example, for Christ came and was crucified that we might be brought out of spiritual bondage, therefore there is no need to celebrate Passover anymore, but if one does observe Passover there is no condemnation in it just the same as there is no condemnation in those that do not observe it.
My point though is that observing or not any holidays in our time now be they biblical or non-biblical does not matter any more due to what is written in Colossians 2:16-17.
EDIT: Again Passover is a good example, for Christ came and was crucified that we might be brought out of spiritual bondage, therefore there is no need to celebrate Passover anymore, but if one does observe Passover there is no condemnation in it just the same as there is no condemnation in those that do not observe it.
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Nones. Your Countries colourful Cults never cease to fascinate me. Its probably because the UK lacks any home grown ones to speak of so we have to import yours. Example its Summer here and its Mormon time. Every year our Town Centres are filled with earnest young people trying to sell us Joseph Smith. So if you want a quiet break from it all go to Salt lake City because the locals are all here.
If I agreed with you in this resent post of yours, I would then also say there is no reason to observe Easter anymore either, because salvation is a thing of our past since we now have our ticket punched so we can go to heaven. I'm being facetious. LOL
Passover is not a feast, but is the first day of unleavened bread indicating that we have a fight against the principalities of darkness, and we are to be aware of the leaven of the Pharisees along with making a quick exit from the ways of the world. Isn't that what your generation is all about, making a fast exit?
Passover is not a feast, but is the first day of unleavened bread indicating that we have a fight against the principalities of darkness, and we are to be aware of the leaven of the Pharisees along with making a quick exit from the ways of the world. Isn't that what your generation is all about, making a fast exit?
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