Who is GOD.......?
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It's a nice explanation , but contradicts the verses I posted where Jesus says he communicates with the Father. He cannot be communicating with Himself. Jesus does not say that the Father is the spiritual part of Himself..he refers to the Father as an individual, separate, distinct and personal being, who is greater than Himself. At Jesus's baptism, the Father says "this is my Son, in whom I am pleased"... which confirms the Father is a separate being.
AQmen. Revelation1:1 says. The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him. Why would God give Jesus a revelation concerning himself if Jesus was God the Father?
Rev2:27 I have been given authority from my Father.
Jesus is speaking again after his return to Heaven. Can you not only be given authority by someone greater than youraself?
In Revelation3:12 Jesus refers to God as 'My God' four times.
Why would he say a;ll these things if h3e was God the Father. There are the plain simple statements of the Bible, and there is human interpretation. I know which I will go by
Rev2:27 I have been given authority from my Father.
Jesus is speaking again after his return to Heaven. Can you not only be given authority by someone greater than youraself?
In Revelation3:12 Jesus refers to God as 'My God' four times.
Why would he say a;ll these things if h3e was God the Father. There are the plain simple statements of the Bible, and there is human interpretation. I know which I will go by
I MYSELF AM GREATER THAN MY WORDS
(JUST LIKE THE FATHER SPIRIT AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH
WHAT YOU ARE NOT COMPREHENDING
GODS WORDS BECAME LIFE
BUT
THEY ARE STILL THE SAME PERSON OR SAME GOD)
FOR MY WORDS COULD NOT EXIST UNTIL I SPOKE THEM
WE ARE STILL THE SAME THOUGH
ITS NOT AN EXPLANATION
IT IS IN FACT
A FINITE UNDERSTANDING OF WHO GOD IS
FOR I MYSELF
DID NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE LIES ABOUT TRINITY
BECAUSE I WAS NEVER AROUND IT
WHAT I WAS FACED WITH THOUGH
WAS
WHEN I FINALLY SAID TO GOD
NOT MY WILL BUT YOUR WILL
YOU HAVE CALLED ME TO PREACH AND LEAD
BUT
IF I AM GOING TO DO THIS GOD
I WILL GO BOLDLY WHEREVER IT IS YOU LEAD ME TO
BUT PLEASE
SHOW ME
ARE YOU ONE OR 3
AND HOW I EXPLAINED IT TO YOU MAHOGONY SNAIL
IS HOW GOD HIMSELF
EXPLAINED IT TO ME
YOU ARE LIVING BY TRADITIONS
AND BY YOUR OTHER FORUMS YOU WALK IN THE PAST OF WHAT OTHERS ACCOMPLISHED
AND NEVER OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED
SO THIS WOULD BE THAT GOD TO YOU IS A RELIGION
ONCE
GOD BECOMES A RELATIONSHIP
ONE ON ONE
THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH
AND NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE
TO ALWAYS
FOLLOWING TRADITION AND A LIES
JESUS SHOULD REFER TO THE FATHER SPIRIT AS MY GOD
AFTER ALL
JESUS IS GOD's SPOKEN WORD BECOME FLESH
THE FLESH
ALWAYS SERVES ITS MASTER
WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD
BUT
NEVERTHELESS
GOD's OWN WORDS THAT BECAME FLESH
IS STILL
THE SAME GOD AND PERSON
JUST IN DIFFERENT FACETS
NOW NOTICE
MAN WAS FORMED BY GOD THEN SPAT WITH DUST
SO WE ARE NOT THE FLESH OF GOD BUT EARTH
BUT
JESUS IS SPOKEN OF GOD
THIS MEANS
JESUS AND GOD IS THE SAME
M
No I'm sure you're not, however, with all due respect, this writing style is near impossible to read and makes you look very poorly educated. I don't know you or your background so I can't make judgement, but please out of simple respect try to show some common courtesy and not take up whole pages with this style?
If you really did have a message from G-d for me, in all honesty I would most likely miss it entirely because I really can't understand half what you say. It's perfectly possible to present good solid truth without going overboard with colours, fonts, all caps, bolding, the whole works. It's not good net ettiquette and shows a disregard for all those around you. Please try to be a little more courteous to others who use this forum?
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If you really did have a message from G-d for me, in all honesty I would most likely miss it entirely because I really can't understand half what you say. It's perfectly possible to present good solid truth without going overboard with colours, fonts, all caps, bolding, the whole works. It's not good net ettiquette and shows a disregard for all those around you. Please try to be a little more courteous to others who use this forum?
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No I'm sure you're not, however, with all due respect, this writing style is near impossible to read and makes you look very poorly educated. I don't know you or your background so I can't make judgement, but please out of simple respect try to show some common courtesy and not take up whole pages with this style?
If you really did have a message from G-d for me, in all honesty I would most likely miss it entirely because I really can't understand half what you say. It's perfectly possible to present good solid truth without going overboard with colours, fonts, all caps, bolding, the whole works. It's not good net ettiquette and shows a disregard for all those around you. Please try to be a little more courteous to others who use this forum?
It's not very difficult. Just push enter less times.
Thank you
If you really did have a message from G-d for me, in all honesty I would most likely miss it entirely because I really can't understand half what you say. It's perfectly possible to present good solid truth without going overboard with colours, fonts, all caps, bolding, the whole works. It's not good net ettiquette and shows a disregard for all those around you. Please try to be a little more courteous to others who use this forum?
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Thank you
ILL TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION
THANK YOU
YES
BUT JESUS STILL REPRESENTS
THE WORDS OF GOD
THIS IS WHY HE SPEAKS THIS WAY
ITS TOO BAD JESUS CAME 2000+ YEARS AGO
TO HEAR HIM SPEAK IN TODAYS LANGUAGE
PROBABLY
WOULD BE BAFFLING TO THOSE
2000+ YEARS FROM NOW
AND REMEMBER
THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS JESUS
STILL HAS TO COME
GATHER HIS BRIDE
AND DEFEAT THE ANTICHRIST
AT ARMAGEDDON
SO
IT IS NICE
TO SEE
GOD"S HOLY WORD
IS STILL ALIVE
EVEN MORE SO TODAY
I would add this. I believe God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the Spirit which comes from God the Father. But in that there is a heirarchy. If I do not accept that it is a fact I would have to ignore much plainly written scripture, and that I would never do.
The Apostle Paul is plain. Jesus will be subject to the Father, and Jesus is not flesh and in human form when Paul is refering to this. Plus there are many other statements as well as I have previously posted.
My honest opinion is(for what it is worth) providing we accept a heirarchy within Father, Son and Holy Spirit, it is not really important if some say the three are simply one, full stop, or if others say as I do they are one in the Spirit of God, but each having an individual role with the Father at the head of the three.
I honestly believe this is not what matters most to God. What matters to Him is that we trust in Jesus whjp died for our sins, and by the power of the Spirit live as he would want us to. But scripturally Jesus cannot be God the Father if we accept the Apostle Paul's plain words in 1Cor15:24-28, that would be impossible
The Apostle Paul is plain. Jesus will be subject to the Father, and Jesus is not flesh and in human form when Paul is refering to this. Plus there are many other statements as well as I have previously posted.
My honest opinion is(for what it is worth) providing we accept a heirarchy within Father, Son and Holy Spirit, it is not really important if some say the three are simply one, full stop, or if others say as I do they are one in the Spirit of God, but each having an individual role with the Father at the head of the three.
I honestly believe this is not what matters most to God. What matters to Him is that we trust in Jesus whjp died for our sins, and by the power of the Spirit live as he would want us to. But scripturally Jesus cannot be God the Father if we accept the Apostle Paul's plain words in 1Cor15:24-28, that would be impossible
Why would Jesus represent the words of God if he is God the Father? I respect your right to have your opinion as I hope you can respect mine, but I believe it is wrong to say that people believe lies when they base their opinionsd totally on the plain statements of the Bible.
When I stand before God on the day of judgement, if he asks mre why I believe as I did, I will say. 'Because I trusted your words, Your Sons words, and the Apostle Paul's words that were clearly written in the Bible. I do not believe God cwill be angry with me for that
When I stand before God on the day of judgement, if he asks mre why I believe as I did, I will say. 'Because I trusted your words, Your Sons words, and the Apostle Paul's words that were clearly written in the Bible. I do not believe God cwill be angry with me for that
IF THEY WERE THE SAME AS EQUALS AND AS SEPARATED INDIVIDUALS
THEN
EVERYONE
IS BREAKING THE FIRST COMMANDMENT
BECAUSE
NO ONE IS GIVING EQUAL PROPS IN PRAYER TO EACH ONE
AND
IF YOU ARE
THEN YOU ARE IN A RELIGION
NOT A RELATIONSHIP
THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE PERSONS
THEY ARE ONE GOD
AND NOT
CONNECTED THRU SPIRIT
THAT WOULD MAKE THE HOLY SPIRIT THE ULTILMATE GOD
BECAUSE
IT WOULD BE BY THIS FUNCTION ALL 3 ARE CONNECTED
THEY ARE ONE GOD
A HOLY SPIRIT GOD
WHO SPOKE LIFE INTO THE FORM OF A MAN.......THE WORD
THAT IS SCRIPTURE
GOD
WOULD NOT
CONFORM HIS BELIEF ONTO US
IN CONFUSION
HAD THERE BEEN 3
GOD
WOULD HAVE MADE SURE THAT
3 THRONES WERE MENTIONED
THE WORD TRI OR TRIUNE WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED
THE FACT TRINITY EVEN EXISTS
SHOWS US
THE TRUE LIMITATIONS AND UNDERSTANDING OF MAN
No the Holy Spirit would not by God. God is Spirit, the Spirit proceeds from the Father
I will repeat the Apostle Paul said Jesus would be subject to the Father, and this long after he had returned to Heaven. And I repeat, according to 1Cor15:24-28 Jesus is not God the Father. We either have to accept what is clearly written over five continuous verses or ignore it, in my view they are the only two options. Paul is emphatic in thoise verses, they simply cannbot be explained away.
I will repeat the Apostle Paul said Jesus would be subject to the Father, and this long after he had returned to Heaven. And I repeat, according to 1Cor15:24-28 Jesus is not God the Father. We either have to accept what is clearly written over five continuous verses or ignore it, in my view they are the only two options. Paul is emphatic in thoise verses, they simply cannbot be explained away.
I RESPECT COMEPLETELY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
THE WORD WAS GOD, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, THE WORD IS GOD
MY WORD WAS ME, MY WORD WAS WITH ME, MY WORD IS ME
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY WORD AND GOD's WORD IS.......?
WE BOTH GIVE LIFE
FOR WHAT WE SAY CAN TEAR YOU DOWN OR LIFT YOU UP
THE DIFFERENCE IS
GOD's WORD BECAME FLESH AND DIED FOR ME
C
John 14:26: But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring in your remembrance all that I said to you.
In this scripture, Jesus clearly speaks of himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as separate persons. If they were not, he would have said something like this.
When I return as the Helper, the Holy Spirit, in my name and by my divine authority, I will teach you all things, and bring in your remembrance all that I said to you while I was clothed in flesh.
Jesus was not in the business of hiding things, so my conclusion is that Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three persons.
Jesus also says, "Before Abraham, I am." (ego eimi) The expression in the Greek is purposeful and seen in the light of the Mosaic statement "Tell them I am has sent you." is a claim to diety by Jesus Christ. This is supported by many other scriptures both in the gospels and the epistles.
Then you have the Sch'ma: Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord alone. This is a statement of the uniqueness and the fundamental unity of God.
Put these three things together and what do you get: a Tri-Une God.
Other options: 1. Jesus spoke deceptively. What is clearly represent as three persons is actually one. Not acceptable.
2. Jesus was not God. Not supported by scripture. The Jews understood him clearly and picked up stones to stone him fof blasphemy.
3. God is not one. this would destroy the veracity of all scripture and of our faith.
In this scripture, Jesus clearly speaks of himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as separate persons. If they were not, he would have said something like this.
When I return as the Helper, the Holy Spirit, in my name and by my divine authority, I will teach you all things, and bring in your remembrance all that I said to you while I was clothed in flesh.
Jesus was not in the business of hiding things, so my conclusion is that Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three persons.
Jesus also says, "Before Abraham, I am." (ego eimi) The expression in the Greek is purposeful and seen in the light of the Mosaic statement "Tell them I am has sent you." is a claim to diety by Jesus Christ. This is supported by many other scriptures both in the gospels and the epistles.
Then you have the Sch'ma: Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord alone. This is a statement of the uniqueness and the fundamental unity of God.
Put these three things together and what do you get: a Tri-Une God.
Other options: 1. Jesus spoke deceptively. What is clearly represent as three persons is actually one. Not acceptable.
2. Jesus was not God. Not supported by scripture. The Jews understood him clearly and picked up stones to stone him fof blasphemy.
3. God is not one. this would destroy the veracity of all scripture and of our faith.
THE SON IS FLESH
THE WORD IS GOD
WHEN THE FLESH LAYS IT DOWN
THEN THE WORD CAN BE IN SPRIRT
AND THEN GOD CAN BE ALL IN ALL
WHICH IS SPIRIT
THIS SAME PAUL ALSO WROTE
COLOSSIANS 1:15
JESUS IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD
OR IN OUR LANGUAGE
THE WORD OF GOD ALSO REFLECTS GOD WHO IS SPIRIT
PAUL ALSO WROTE
COLOSSIANS 2:9
IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD BODY
OR IN OUR LANGUAGE
THE FATHER - THE WORD - THE HOLY GHOST ARE WRAPPED TOGETHER IN FLESH
WHICH
ONCE YOU REMOVE THE FLESH OF THE..........SON
YOU HAVE.......GOD...ALL IN ALL
LETS LOOK AT THIS A BIT MORE CLOSELY
WHO IS SENDING THE HOLY GHOST TO US.......?
LUKE 24:49...JESUS SAYS I SEND THE PROMISE (HOLY GHOST) OF MY FATHER
JOHN 14:26...JESUS SAYS THE FATHER WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) IN MY NAME
JOHN 15:26...JESUS SAYS I WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) UNTO YOU
JOHN 16:7...JESUS SAYS I WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) UNTO YOU
3 OF 4 TIMES JESUS SAYS HE IS SENDING THE HOLY GHOST TO US
AND THE 4TH TIME
HE REFERS TO HIMSELF AS THE FATHER WHO IS SENDING US THE HOLY GHOST
I WOULD SUGGEST
USING ALL SCRIPTURES IN REFERENCE
BEFORE MAKING ANY POINT
The word was God. God the Father refered to Jesus as God in Heb1:8, but still said He was Jesus God in the next verse. The word was with(beside)God The word is God.
Charisen is right. If ther Father Son and Holy Spirit are not three individual members the Bible must contain many misleading statements, or be a cryptic Bible. Why would God make it as such?