Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
you really need to quit ripping verses out of context in order to steer away from the truth God wants the reader to understand!!!

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


mankind is justified by faith




brightfame52 said:
Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
yep ... the iniquity of all mankind has been laid upon the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ will stand before God and give account.

Those who do not reject the Lord Jesus Christ are justified by faith and the Lord Jesus Christ will advocate on our behalf come judgment day.


1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



 
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Yes you are making excuses to avoid the truth. According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
nope ... just holding the one ripping verses out of context to the Truth stated in Galatians 3. hopefully, brightfame52, you'll turn from your eisegesis and read Scripture contextually and exegetically:


Galatians 3:


10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


The whole point of this section is that it was never God's intent for mankind to be redeemed through keeping the law. Redemption has always been afforded to mankind through faith.

The purpose of the law is to bring mankind to the Lord Jesus Christ in order that we might be justified by faith:

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.



Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)



Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.

Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.
https://www.gotquestions.org/exegesis-eisegesis.html
 
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There is no argument with God save yourself, non imputation of sin is act of God, has nothing to do with the sinner.
I'll stick with God's Word ... you can have your eisegesis ...


Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


All who believe on Him Who justifies the ungodly ... their faith is counted for righteousness. :cool:


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


 
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I don’t think anyone that puts up with this nonsense is avoiding the truth . Christ reedemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. Now if I were to start using vague doctrines of men such as the exposition of something called “non-imputation” and used a proof text where “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself not imputing their trespasses unto them. “ And chose to ignore the first half of my proof text because He did not die for all men , every man , the whole world, etc. call the second half of the proof text non imputation. ? God is not the author of confusion. In the old testament the sinner mixed his works with faith and layed his hands upon the sacrifice . What is point ? The Obedience of Faith. No faith no imputation, No obedience no imputation, no faith no forgiveness, no faith , no justification. Christs death , burial and resurrection is effectual to the believer only and to children under the age of accountability , They are the elect. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness so the must the Son of Man be lifted up that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES. READ YOUR BIBLE !!!
 

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I like that @riverhooks.
I think there would be less honking of horns @ greenlights if we could get all false religions added also..😎😂
 

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you really need to quit ripping verses out of context in order to steer away from the truth God wants the reader to understand!!!

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


mankind is justified by faith





yep ... the iniquity of all mankind has been laid upon the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ will stand before God and give account.

Those who do not reject the Lord Jesus Christ are justified by faith and the Lord Jesus Christ will advocate on our behalf come judgment day.


1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
You still evade truth.
 

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nope ... just holding the one ripping verses out of context to the Truth stated in Galatians 3. hopefully, brightfame52, you'll turn from your eisegesis and read Scripture contextually and exegetically:


Galatians 3:

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


The whole point of this section is that it was never God's intent for mankind to be redeemed through keeping the law. Redemption has always been afforded to mankind through faith.

The purpose of the law is to bring mankind to the Lord Jesus Christ in order that we might be justified by faith:

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.



Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)



Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.

Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.
https://www.gotquestions.org/exegesis-eisegesis.html
According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
 

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I'll stick with God's Word ... you can have your eisegesis ...


Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


All who believe on Him Who justifies the ungodly ... their faith is counted for righteousness. :cool:


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Do you know why God doesnt impute their sin to them ? 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
 
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Common sense tells me because He imputed their trespasses to Himself so they could be justified by faith. What does common sense tell you ? Oh by the way, be ye reconciled.
 

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Before anyone Christ died for believes , or comes to Faith, they are Justified before God for Two reasons. First because of non imputation of sin, no charges by God has been imputed to them. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

The AMP 19 It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).

The EXB 19 [L For] God was in Christ, ·making peace between the world and [reconciling the world to] himself. In Christ, God did not ·hold the world guilty of its sins [L count their trespasses against them]. And he ·gave [committed/entrusted to] us this message of ·peace [reconciliation].

This World Paul points out, God did not hold it guilty of its sins. That's Non Imputation and its Justification.

Also Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Well, this applies to that World in 2 Cor 5:19, its a Blessed World because God will not charge or impute its sins unto them of that World. That's Justification.

NIVUK Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.’

For the sins of that world in 2 Cor 5:19 and the persons of Rom 4:8 those sins of theirs was not charged to them because they were laid to Christ's Charge, and they were set free or Justified from them.

Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

There is no clearer verse that indicates that those whom God does not charge, impute with Sin is His Justifying of them. And none whom Christ died for are charged with their sins by God !

God the Law giver, does not hold them accountable for their sins even though they are in themselves very sinful, nevertheless He Justifies them. But why ? The second phrase of Vs 34 informs why Vs 34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

That's right, because of the death of Christ. In order for Christ to die, sins must be charged to Him to die for 1 Cor 15:3, and the sins of those charged to Him to die for, were not charged to the ones that He died for, and that is God Justifying them, and condemning Him in their stead. Paul writes Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

That is God condemned Christ for the sins of those that were laid to His Body 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed. 117
 
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First as to your extensive answer above . Non imputation is a doctrine not found in the Bible. It is a misinterpretation of the few scriptures used to build a tabernacle around so-called non imputation. One of several to justify the rather complex belief system created for you by John Calvin to justify his 5 points and to connect all the dots and justify the other points of TULIP. Using scripture to do so. When overlaying his thesis over scripture they all connect and appear to be scripture . This is the deception and this is exactly why you can use the the same scripture to justify * non imputation while denying the other part of the scripture such as 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, * reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them. Why isn’t this mentioned ? Reconciling the world unto himself ? Because it does not fit in Calvins overlay of scripture that you are using to interpret scripture. It does not fit limited atonement and therefore must be discarded and justification must not be by faith the emphasis must be on God literally Justifiying the Wicked although this contradicts scripture. You have recently copied and pasted this very argument . "He that justified the ungodly" . Bear in mind I am not copying and pasteing this . Your arguments have all been using this interpretation template. It is very deceptive. It is not biblical doctrine it is Calvins interpretation of Scripture and what it must mean which entirely skews the character of Christ appears to be a line upon line precept upon precept exogesis but is not . Justification is not overruling freewill . He likes freewill. He created freewill. He is no respecter of persons . He doesn’t repent for you . Believe for you . Or prefer you over others. Enabling some , condemning others all though He could theorectically do that. Depravity isn’t the same as inability . God commands all men everywhere to repent . God is not a liar . God is not an Indian giver so to speak. “Look unto me all the ends of the earth and be saved”. He literally means it , He is not offering something that cannot be received by faith. GOD RECONCILED MAN TO THE LAW FIRST. As Man Christ was made sin,( one of the biblical definitons of sin is : transgression of the law by perfect obedience to the law as the representative of the entire race of mankind Christ became our sinless substitue . The righteousness of God that attribute of His character which holds the sinner guilty and liable to pay penalty was satisfied completely by the Blood of Jesus. He was innocent now we are not without imputation that happens when we are forgiven that happens when we believe not before. Jesus had to die for all men it could not be a partial putting away of sin. He literally put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
 
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You still evade truth.
nope ... read the verse in the context in which it sits:


concerning the context of Romans 4:25 ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


mankind is justified by faith



 
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Do you know why God doesnt impute their sin to them ? 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
yes.



 
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Before anyone Christ died for believes , or comes to Faith, they are Justified before God
nope ... more eisegesis on your part.





brightfame52 said:
Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed.
nope ...


Romans

4:20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
 
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One of several to justify the rather complex belief system created for you by John Calvin to justify his 5 points and to connect all the dots and justify the other points of TULIP.
limited atonement ... another wind of doctrine ...


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive



 
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limited atonement ... another wind of doctrine ...


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."

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