Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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nope ... more eisegesis on your part.





nope ...

Romans

4:20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


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Justified before believing and why ?2

The First reason for Justification before God before believing has been given, because of non imputation of sin.

Now the Second Reason is because of Imputation of Christ's Righteousness. Rom 4:6-7

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

All for whom Christ died, by His Death for them alone, it makes them [before God] Righteous.

This is seen the Prophecy of Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

AMP 11 He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].

ESV Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.



Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

AMP 19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him).

That's Justification. All this was accounted before they believed, had nothing to do with their personal belief, in fact, it was true while they were enemies, and it is the reason why they do believe after God reveals it to them by the Gospel of their Salvation, they are then persuaded of its fact or reality.
 
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Justified before believing and why ?2

The First reason for Justification before God before believing has been given, because of non imputation of sin.

Now the Second Reason is because of Imputation of Christ's Righteousness. Rom 4:6-7

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

All for whom Christ died, by His Death for them alone, it makes them [before God] Righteous.

This is seen the Prophecy of Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

AMP 11 He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].

ESV Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.



Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

AMP 19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him).

That's Justification. All this was accounted before they believed, had nothing to do with their personal belief, in fact, it was true while they were enemies, and it is the reason why they do believe after God reveals it to them by the Gospel of their Salvation, they are then persuaded of its fact or reality.
The Bible does not mention justification by God of the wicked . This is your doctrine . You should just stop. Fear Him. Not joking, You need to repent. 52
 

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nope ... read the verse in the context in which it sits:


concerning the context of Romans 4:25 ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


mankind is justified by faith
You still evade truth in the context.
 

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nope ... more eisegesis on your part.





nope ...

Romans

4:20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Ignoring Truth, will get you no where.
 

brightfame52

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For he that is dead is freed/Justified from sin.

Rom 6:7

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The word freed here is the greek word dikaioō:

to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Its also translated 37 times as the word justify.119

So those who died in Christ and be dead are justified from all sin.

Paul says of those Christ died for 2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

That's because of their union with Christ when He died for them, then by that Union [Legal Union and Representative Union] they all died when He died and became freed or Justified from sin.

This also proves from scripture that those Christ died for, are by His Death alone, justified from sin, so Justified before God.

They do not die or be dead because of their Faith or Believing, nothing they do, but solely based upon their Legal Union with Christ when He died.
 
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You still evade truth in the context.
nope ... read the verse in the context in which it sits:


concerning the context of Romans 4:25 ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


mankind is justified by faith



 
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Ignoring Truth, will get you no where.
:rolleyes: poor debate tactic due to your inability to refute the central point.


4:20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!



 
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So those who died in Christ and be dead are justified from all sin.
read Romans 6:7 within its context ...

Romans 6:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


vs 6 - the "old man" is who the born again one was in Adam. Once born again, the believer is a "new creation" (2 Cor 5:17) ... also known as the "new man" (Eph 4:24, Col 3:10).

vs 7 - the believer is freed from sin because the "old man" is dead.

vs 8 - because the "old man" is dead, we believe the "new man" is alive with Christ and we shall live with Him forever.

vs 9-10 - we know Christ was raised from the dead and death has no dominion over Him; Christ is alive!!! :cool:

vs 11 - we are to reckon [Greek logizomai] ourselves (the "old man") dead to sin ... and the "new man" alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.




They do not die or be dead because of their Faith or Believing, nothing they do, but solely based upon their Legal Union with Christ when He died.
understand this, brightfame52 ... All die ... as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned (Rom 5:12).

However, according to John 3:15 whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

your dogma contradicts Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

 
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Hey Renewed , All Brightfame has to say about any topic in the KJV can be found by doing a search engine query, i.e. Reformed Theology Apologestics AND Justification . You will find the copy and paste site eventually if you want to . I’m moving on, and not following fare ye well.
 

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Your question has been answered.

That you disagree with the answer does not equal your question not having been answered.


The question at this point is:

Do you, brightfame52, understand Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 ?
So according to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 

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:rolleyes: poor debate tactic due to your inability to refute the central point.


4:20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Ignoring truth is a poor debate tatic, which you do well.
 

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read Romans 6:7 within its context ...

Romans 6:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


vs 6 - the "old man" is who the born again one was in Adam. Once born again, the believer is a "new creation" (2 Cor 5:17) ... also known as the "new man" (Eph 4:24, Col 3:10).

vs 7 - the believer is freed from sin because the "old man" is dead.

vs 8 - because the "old man" is dead, we believe the "new man" is alive with Christ and we shall live with Him forever.

vs 9-10 - we know Christ was raised from the dead and death has no dominion over Him; Christ is alive!!! :cool:

vs 11 - we are to reckon [Greek logizomai] ourselves (the "old man") dead to sin ... and the "new man" alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.





understand this, brightfame52 ... All die ... as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned (Rom 5:12).

However, according to John 3:15 whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

your dogma contradicts Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Romans 6:7 is within the context. Dont ignore it.