Who Justifieth the Ungodly

reneweddaybyday · Jan 18, 2022

it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

brightfame52 said:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein [the gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

keep reading, brightfame52

Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to restrain, hinder, suppress. So those who hear the gospel suppress, restrain the gospel. When God reveals the gospel to them ... they reject God.

brightfame52 said:

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

note the sequence:

you trusted after you heard the gospel ...
you believed after you trusted
you were sealed after you believed

reneweddaybyday · Jan 18, 2022

brightfame52 said:

tell that to the image in your mirror ...

brightfame52 · Jan 18, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein [the gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

keep reading, brightfame52

Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to restrain, hinder, suppress. So those who hear the gospel suppress, restrain the gospel. When God reveals the gospel to them ... they reject God.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

note the sequence:

you trusted after you heard the gospel ...
you believed after you trusted
you were sealed after you believed

More evasion and rabbit trail.

brightfame52 · Jan 19, 2022

Remission of sins means Justification !

When does those Christ died for have remission of sins before God's Law and Justice ? Yes its before they believe or have Faith. Remission of sins is secured for all whom Christ died by the Blood of Christ, and that alone. Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Christ's blood shed gives the many " remission of sins' !

Heb 9:22

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

That word remission also is translated forgiveness . Its the greek word aphesis and means:

release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Also deliverance and liberty.

The Justification aspect of it is remission of the penalty of ones sins.

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

They had remission or forgiveness of sins through His Blood and according to the Riches Grace. This had nothing to do with what they did.

Now forgiveness = Acquittal = Vindication= Justification !

This forgiveness is letting the subject go from the guilt of their sins as though the had not committed anything.

Now when Jesus rose from the dead for those He died for it was said to be because of their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Now the word for Justification is the greek word dikaiōsis:

the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

That's the Forgiveness aspect of Justification, those Christ died for and because of His Blood,has freed them from Guilt Legally before God, and that's their Justification before God, apart from anything they said or did or even knew about in their dead state.

One Gospel writer wrote by the name of John Johnson:

Remission of Sins: Remission of Sins is to be considered judicially; as it is a legal acquittance in the court of God’s justice; or the judicial sentence, whereby the sinner is pronounced righteous, his person justified, his sins remitted, and himself acquitted from all indictment, charge, guilt or condemnation in the sight of God a consequence of the full atonement, and ample satisfaction made by the blood of Christ.

Hence because of this Remission of sins should be preached in His Name ! Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

He has already accomplished the Remission of their sins or their Justification, and its to be preached to them in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Now to deny this Truth is to deny the Blood of Christ and its accomplishment on behalf of the Many Matt 26:28 ! 124

riverhooks · Jan 19, 2022

Why don't you guys do the 10/10 thing and read the ten scriptures above the verse and the 10 below the verse to get the context. Or maybe the the 20/20 thing would be better. If you knew God 52 you would know that He doesn't put up with sin even in the elect. You misrepresent The Lord my God and you should let him free you from your high mindedness. Jesus didn't come to condemn the world but to save the world. There's that word again. Why didn't He use elect instead of world ? I'm outta here again. Just an idea if you can ever get 52 to agree to read scripture in context Renewed . Maybe 5/5 would be a starting point. You could be a steward of the faith once delivered to the saints. I suppose you could always be an apologist for reformed theology. But then you would have to use the Bible without your library or interpretations 52. Try the 10/10 thing . The Truth will set you free. Or not.

brightfame52 · Jan 20, 2022

Remission of sins means Justification ! 2

All for whom Christ died, they have been forgiven of all sins, none are even imputed to them by God. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This[Non Imputation] is joined with forgiveness Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.2 Cor 5:19

Since this is True, they are free from the penalty of sin which is death.For death is the wages for sin imputed or charged. Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But if God does not impute sin Rom 4:8 upon a person or persons, then they are released from that penalty of death. Where no penalty of sin death exists, life must be granted, hence Justification of Life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All men whom Christ died for, released them from penalty of Death, do have Eternal Life charged to them. Jn 10:27-28

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

That word give as in give eternal life, it is the greek word didōmi which means to:

to give

2) to give something to someone

a) of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage

1) to bestow a gift

Remember Eternal Life is a Gift given through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Gift is bestowed or given because through Jesus Christ death, they are forgiven of all sins, none can be imputed to them Rom 4:8

So Eternal Life is bestowed or given. The word bestowed means to impart . This Gift of Eternal Life is given or bestowed or imparted by New Birth from out of the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

That word quickened means :

to make one alive together,to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

And that Life given in quickening is Eternal Life from Jesus Christ ! That's because of Justification of life and Remission of sins through His Blood alone !

reneweddaybyday · Jan 20, 2022

brightfame52 said:

it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

reneweddaybyday · Jan 20, 2022

brightfame52 said:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ...

brightfame52 said:

context context context ... read the verses in the context ...

Romans 4:

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

God tells us in Rom 4:5 that faith is not work on the part of mankind. You're contradicting God when you insist that faith is work. Quit claiming that faith is work.

Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

brightfame52 · Jan 20, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

Justification of the ungodly takes place before they faith.

brightfame52 · Jan 20, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ...

context context context ... read the verses in the context ...

Romans 4:

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

God tells us in Rom 4:5 that faith is not work on the part of mankind. You're contradicting God when you insist that faith is work. Quit claiming that faith is work.

Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Those Christ died for God doesnt impute sin to them, you want to know why ?

riverhooks · Jan 21, 2022

You profess to know God brightfame 52 . Why don’t you just go to Jesus right now and have a chat about how you want to be led of the Holy Spirit and don’t want to be a false teacher anymore. I’m sure he will forgive you if you repent. Don’t you want to know why ?

brightfame52 · Jan 21, 2022

Justified before believing and why ?3

Why are all for whom Christ died Justified before God prior to their believing the Gospel ? Yes, Justified solely upon the merits of Christ death alone ! One of the reasons is because of the forgiveness of sins. All for whom He died are forgiven of their sins, purged away they have been.

Ps 65:3

Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.

Ps 79:9

Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.

Christ is the answer to this Great Blessing of Salvation Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

You see that ? He Himself purged our sins, and afterward sat down on the Right Hand of God. This applies to everyone Christ died for, without them doing or believing a thing.

Now this word purged in Heb 1:3 is the greek word katharismos:

cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.

a cleansing, purification, a ritual purgation or washing

a) of the washing of the Jews before and after their meals

b) of levitical purification of women after childbirth

c) a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

In the Heb 1:3 verse it means c) a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

So this purging or purification made by Christ through His Blood is purged from the guilt and the penalty of our sins if He died for us.

Yes, Christ's Blood alone discharged us from Guilt and the Penalty of Sin.

In case we did not know, Salvation is freedom from the guilt of sin, at least an aspect of it. Our English word Salvation means:

the act of saving or protecting from harm, risk, loss, destruction, etc.

2.
the state of being saved or protected from harm, risk, etc.

3.
a source, cause, or means of being saved or protected from harm, risk, etc.

4.
Theology . deliverance from the power and penalty of sin; redemption.

And everyone Christ died for are delivered from the penalty of sin !

This purging from sin Heb 1:3 is a purging from the guilt and penalty of sin = Forgiveness through His Blood is another way of saying it or defining it Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This word forgiveness means:

forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

That's right, those who are forgiven of their sins, the penalty gone, then they stand before God as though they never sinned, because of Christ. They are guiltless and sinless before God's Law and Justice, and that constitutes Justification before God without them believing, but solely by Christ's Death alone !

The satisfaction that Christ's Blood provided to God's Law and Justice for the sins of those He died for, makes it as all of their sins, trespasses, offenses, iniquities, You name it, Christ's Blood makes it so they No Longer exist against God's Law, Justification !

Our English word Justification in theology means:

the act of God whereby humankind is made or accounted just, or free from guilt or penalty of sin.

However, all Human Kind is Justified before God and free from guilt and penalty of sin. Many shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 !

riverhooks · Jan 21, 2022

Therefore being justified by faith ( got it wrong bubba) God commands you to repent. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 / But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. The false doctrine of non-imputation using wrested scripture for example. God needs to impute righteousness to you. He will not justify the wicked . You the ungodly were justified when you believed and not before. Then you became entrenched in the error of salvation by election, limited atonement, and other non-sense . You make God into the Image of John Calvins fantasy. Oh that you would hearken to The Lord and use the scripture for correction and reproof and instruction in righteousness Then you could know Him . Let Go of your library . Hold on to Jesus He is your salvation. He is a God of Glory, and He likes faith . A lot. But He will not believe for you . Repent and Believe the Gospel . “Can you hear me now ? "

riverhooks · Jan 21, 2022

All humankind must accept the subtitute who payed penalty for them and satisfied the law and His righteousness. He was raised again for their justification. Not because they don’t have to do a thing now or cannot as Calvin asserts. But because by faith the heart believes to righteousness and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. God draws many by his Spirit no man can come to Him otherwise, but at a certain point unless that soul is prayed for God gives him over to his free will. Personally I always used my freewill to resist the gospel but my time came when I was reading I am The Vine you are the Branches. That is when the Holy Spirit Opened my eyes to a life lived without God. He is seated at the right hand of the Father. Look unto Him and be saved all the ends of the earth. Sort of thing. Calvinism will cost you. 52 . "I will not Justify the Wicked “ The Lord. “All humankind is justified before God” Brightfame 52 . Step by Step you can free yourself from this entanglement . It is serious . Remember Paul speaking of the simplicity of the gospel ? So a child could believe it . My Savior is not the tyrant and respecter of persons or needing some Theologian to give Him glory by proclaiming Salvation is non conditional for his chosen. He enables some , condemns some, I plead with you. Hearken. Cast your care upon Him and allow the Spirit of God to lead you out of this .

brightfame52 · Jan 22, 2022

God Justifeth the Ungodly !

Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This is True, but not of all who are ungodly, but only for those ungodly ones Christ died for the Elect.

Rom 5:6

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

And this is True of the Ungodly that Christ died for, that they were Justified while being Ungodly, because they were Justified by Christ's Blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Yes by nature the Elect they are just like other men, ungodly law breakers, guilty sinners,but they are made just solely by the obedience / blood of Christ Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.127

So basically Rom 5:9 and Vs 19b teach the same thing, Justification / made Righteous solely by the obedience / blood of Christ !

By His Death alone, those He died for, have been cleared of all charges, acquitted of all accusations the Law could charge them with, hence free from all Divine Condemnation Rom 8:33-34, and all this while being Ungodly, sinners, and enemies !

OIC1965 · Jan 22, 2022

Mofastus said:

I think the "he" is referring back to God, and is referring to the Son.

reneweddaybyday · Jan 22, 2022

brightfame52 said:

it is written

Romans 3:

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

...

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith ...

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

reneweddaybyday · Jan 22, 2022

brightfame52 said:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ...

reneweddaybyday · Jan 22, 2022

brightfame52 said:

no one is justified "prior to their believing the gospel".

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The means of the justification for all mankind was established in eternity past ... however, what you fail to acknowledge is that the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... that all mankind has faith to believe ... that some place their faith (believe) in lies rather than the One True God.

brightfame52 said:

Yes ... and the whole of Hebrews is devoted to explaining the excellency of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now read the first verse of chapter 2:

Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

Those who do not give the more earnest heed to the things which [they] heard are the ones who let them slip.

When they let them slip, they reap the consequence of not giving the more earnest heed to the things which [they] heard.

It's not like they didn't hear ... God did not withhold anything ... they did hear and let slip the things which they heard.

brightfame52 said:

nope ... read Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus

written to the faithful in Christ Jesus. The only way to be in Christ Jesus is to believe in Him:

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

you trusted after you heard
you believed after you trusted
you were sealed after you believed

brightfame52 said:

read the whole verse, brightfame52:

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

You keep dodging the faith factor.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

reneweddaybyday · Jan 22, 2022

brightfame52 said:

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ...

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned ...

brightfame52 said:

The verse does not state "that they were Justified" ... the verse states that Christ died for the ungodly.

Go back to Romans 5:1 to see how/when mankind is justified:

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

Why do you keep rejecting the truth of God's Word???

Read Romans 4:1-5 ... Faith is not works (as you keep insisting). We have gone over those verses before, brightfame52.

Romans 4:16 - 25 ... it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

Read Romans 5:1 ... Therefore being justified by faith

Now read Romans 5:6, 5:9, 5:19 and don't forget what you learn from Romans 4 (faith is not works) and Romans 4:16-5:1 (justified by faith).

God expects us to remember what we've read ... not rip Romans 5:6, 5:9, 5:19 as standalone verses without the foundational truth He provided in previous verses.

You believe a lie ... you have been taught that faith is works ... God's Word tells us faith is not works. Who are you going to believe? God? or the teaching of whatever dogma you hold to?

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