Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[reneweddaybyday]

I have taken time to explain the truth to you and you flat out deny it or ignore it.

another dodge by you because you cannot refute the central point ... you made a point ... I countered with Scripture ...



Here is the discussion:

In Post 253, brightfame52 said:

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed.​

In response, reneweddaybyday said Post 258:

nope ...​

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Romans 4:​

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20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; ​

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21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.​

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22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.​

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23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;​

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24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead​

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25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

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5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

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READ YOUR BIBLE!!!​

if you want to reply to the point made then respond to the point. if you do not want to respond to the point due to your inability to refute the point, then move along ...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Do you know what the word freed mean in that verse ?

yes.

do you know what the word "context" means:

Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I dont think you agree with me and the truth, lest you believe in Justification before God [for the elect], by the death of Christ before a person believes, and while they are ungodly enemies.

your claim does not align with Scripture ... sad ...

Romans 4:20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[brightfame52]

answered multiple times ... move along ...

No you haven't answered it, you have evaded it numerous times. Now how were those believers in Gal 3:13 redeemed from the curse of the law according to Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us[believers] from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

[brightfame52]

another dodge by you because you cannot refute the central point ... you made a point ... I countered with Scripture ...



Here is the discussion:

In Post 253, brightfame52 said:

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed.​

In response, reneweddaybyday said Post 258:

nope ...​

​

Romans 4:​

​

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; ​

​

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.​

​

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.​

​

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;​

​

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead​

​

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

​

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

​

​

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!​

if you want to reply to the point made then respond to the point. if you do not want to respond to the point due to your inability to refute the point, then move along ...

You dodging, everything I explained to make my point with scripture, you dodge.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

No you haven't answered it, you have evaded it numerous times.

Yes, I have answered ... numerous times ... Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189

that you do not like the answer does not equal me not having answered.


the question now at issue is: do you understand what has been submitted in Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 ?

answer the question now at issue or move along ... your choice ...


AND READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You dodging, everything I explained to make my point with scripture, you dodge.

more of your nonsense and I understand why you cannot refute Scripture ... because your dogma cannot stand once the light of Scripture has shined on it and exposed its fallibility.


you made a point ... I countered with Scripture ...


Here is the discussion:

In Post 253, brightfame52 said:

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed.​

In response, reneweddaybyday said Post 258:

nope ...​

​

Romans 4:​

​

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; ​

​

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.​

​

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.​

​

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;​

​

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead​

​

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

​

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

​

​

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!​

if you want to reply to the point made then respond to the point. if you do not want to respond to the point due to your inability to refute the point, then move along ...

 

[brightfame52]

Justifieth the Ungodly ! 2

There has been sufficient scripture set forth to prove the premise of Justification before God for those Christ died before Faith or Believing Rom 3:24 as stated earlier and Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Here its too plain that Christ's Resurrection gives evidence of the Justification of those whose sins He was delivered for, some of them not yet even born into the world as sinners, but nevertheless, if Christ was delivered for their offences, His Resurrection declares their Justification !

Also Rom 5:9; Titus 3:7. But now for those of us who deny it and insist that faith or believing is of necessity before one Christ died for is Justified before Him from all sin and condemnation, then We are guilty of thinking that Christ's Blood He shed, alone did not have sufficient merit with God to Justify them. That Christ's Blood needed the added assistance of man's act of faith or believing before God Justified them. So his faith gave the blood of Christ added Value and incentive for God to Justify them, that did Christ's Blood alone:

This treats the Blood of Christ with contempt, for it means that except mans faith is acted, the blood accomplished nothing as to God Justifying a sinner Christ died for.

Again Rom 4:5 makes it clear, the object of the believers Faith is on,He that is Justifying the ungodly, and if they are being ungodly, they were being unbelievers and even enemies, and God who is Justifying them on the basis of Christ's Blood, as such is justifying them as ungodly and unbelievers, hence He is Justifying them before personal Faith, which Faith evidences their Justification by Christ; So when they do believe, they are believing that they were or had already been Justified by Christ's Blood when or while they were ungodly, for that's what they believe and was persuaded of through the Gospel !

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, I have answered ... numerous times ... Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189

that you do not like the answer does not equal me not having answered.


the question now at issue is: do you understand what has been submitted in Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 ?

answer the question now at issue or move along ... your choice ...


AND READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Still evading it. How were the believers in Gal 3:13 redeemed from the curse of the law, according to Gal 3:13 ?

 

[brightfame52]

more of your nonsense and I understand why you cannot refute Scripture ... because your dogma cannot stand once the light of Scripture has shined on it and exposed its fallibility.


you made a point ... I countered with Scripture ...


Here is the discussion:

In Post 253, brightfame52 said:

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed.​

In response, reneweddaybyday said Post 258:

nope ...​

​

Romans 4:​

​

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; ​

​

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.​

​

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.​

​

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;​

​

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead​

​

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

​

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

​

​

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!​

if you want to reply to the point made then respond to the point. if you do not want to respond to the point due to your inability to refute the point, then move along ...

Still dodging what I have proclaimed.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

There has been sufficient scripture set forth to prove the premise of Justification before God for those Christ died before Faith or Believing

nope ... just your claim to have done so ...


Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ



READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Still evading it. How were the believers in Gal 3:13 redeemed from the curse of the law, according to Gal 3:13 ?

Yes, I have answered ... numerous times ... Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189

that you do not like the answer does not equal me not having answered.


the question now at issue is: do you understand what has been submitted in Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 ?


answer the question now at issue or move along ... your choice ...


AND READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Still dodging what I have proclaimed.

again ... I understand why you cannot refute Scripture ... because your dogma cannot stand once the light of Scripture has shined on it and exposed its fallibility.


you made a point ... I countered with Scripture ...


Here is the discussion:

In Post 253, brightfame52 said:

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed.​

In response, reneweddaybyday said Post 258:

nope ...​

​

Romans 4:​

​

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;​

​

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.​

​

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.​

​

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;​

​

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead​

​

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

​

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

​

​

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!​

if you want to reply to the point made then respond to the point. if you do not want to respond to the point due to your inability to refute the point, then move along ...

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... just your claim to have done so ...


Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ



READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

You just cant believe the Truth. Only God can open up your mind to receive this precious truth.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, I have answered ... numerous times ... Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189

that you do not like the answer does not equal me not having answered.


the question now at issue is: do you understand what has been submitted in Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 ?


answer the question now at issue or move along ... your choice ...


AND READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Still evading the plain truth setting right there in the verse. See Gal 3:13

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Only God can open up your mind to receive this precious truth.

it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ



READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Still evading the plain truth setting right there in the verse.

since you cannot refute the truth submitted in Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 due to your inability to refute the central point ... I will move along and not reply to your "Gal 3:13" nonsense.

 

[brightfame52]

Justifieth the Ungodly ! 3


What is Justification by Faith ?

Justification by Faith is that conscious Justification, a Spiritual Knowledge of it,now in the sight of God. This Knowledge is conveyed to the Spiritually renewed mind by the Gospel as it reveals to their God Given Faith the Righteousness of God that has been Imputed to them Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

God gives His People knowledge of Salvation [ Justification, Forgiveness, Redemption] Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

And that's where Justification by Faith commences, when that Knowledge is Given of our Salvation. See Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Spirit then enlightens our renewed understanding as we see Christ has given full satisfaction for our sins, having been made sin for us or Christ die for our sins 1 Cor 15:3

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

That Christ died for our sins, is the same as " being made sin for us "

 

[brightfame52]

it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ



READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

You can quote scripture till dooms day, it takes God to open your understanding to scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

since you cannot refute the truth submitted in Post #242 and Post #233 and Post #227 and Post #220 and Post #212 and Post #205 and Post #198 and Post #192 and Post #189 due to your inability to refute the central point ... I will move along and not reply to your "Gal 3:13" nonsense.

Still evading the truth of Gal 3:13. According to that scripture, how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?